# More Muslim Marvelousnous **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [February 5, 2011, 3:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/more-muslim-marvelousnous/570243 "2011-02-05T03:19:28Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 39
**Author:** ![VinylTurnip](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/b2d939/32.png) [@VinylTurnip](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VinylTurnip)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2011, 2:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/more-muslim-marvelousnous/570243/761 "2011-02-12T02:56:44Z")
> [@sqweels](#): > > You know, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad is starting to sound like a pretty decent fellow. Which reminds me: earlier I checked out the National Review website (do so occasionally, just to keep abreast of the latest talking points) to see what their spin on the Egyptian affair was, and the headline was “Obama, Ahmadinejad, Hamas welcome Mubarak ouster.” ---
**Author:** ![sqweels](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/f19dbf/32.png) [@sqweels](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sqweels)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2011, 3:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/more-muslim-marvelousnous/570243/762 "2011-02-12T03:05:57Z")
> [@VinylTurnip](#): > > “Obama, Ahmadinejad, Hamas welcome Mubarak ouster.” _SAAY NOOO MOORE!_ :dubious: ---
**Author:** ![miss\_elizabeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/838e76/32.png) [@miss\_elizabeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/miss_elizabeth)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2011, 3:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/more-muslim-marvelousnous/570243/763 "2011-02-12T03:07:03Z")
It’s funny, you know. I’ve met guys like him before. They always say they are military, or at least make vague statements that will be interpreted that way. They always do that thing where they act like they are in control (“You bore me. I’m training you. Blah blah blah”) and they are obsessed with hyper-masculinity. It’s such a weird sub-set of douchebag. Also, he thinks he’s winning. These guys have no concept of what a debate is. He doesn’t actually know what a ‘cite’ is; I mean, I think he kind of has an idea from context, but he doesn’t _really_ know. He comes from the “If-I-Talk-Louder-And-Insult-Your-Masculinity-I-Win” school of debate. The last one I knew personally was overweight, balding, and claimed to be an “entrepreneur” when in reality he was night manager at Pizza Hut. He was also proud to call himself a Dittohead. He would pontificate on politics (whatever he’d heard on Rush that day) and if you replied in any way that wasn’t total agreement, he would repeat what he said, but LOUDER. Then he would smile condescendingly and call you ‘sweetie’ or ‘son’ (not ‘boy’; that has racial connotations in the South). It was fun sometimes to work him up, but it got old. Anyway, it’s kind of nice to see another. Gives me a bit of nostalgia… ---
**Author:** ![tomndebb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/b9e5f3/32.png) [@tomndebb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tomndebb)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2011, 3:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/more-muslim-marvelousnous/570243/764 "2011-02-12T03:16:39Z")
I’m thinking that there ought to be some sort of corollary to Poe’s Law involving trolls, Birthers, the invincibly ignorant, the irredeemably stupid, and the hopelessly insane. (Seriously: how many members of the Teeming Millions could have come up with this sort of parody of a raving lunatic and maintained it for this long?) ---
**Author:** ![villa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/bc79bd/32.png) [@villa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/villa)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2011, 3:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/more-muslim-marvelousnous/570243/765 "2011-02-12T03:16:51Z")
> [@Champion-of-Truth](#): > > Villa wrote: > > The fact? Really, that’s a “fact”? So where is his true, long form birth certificate? Why is it that no hospital in Hawaii will confirm he was born there? Why is is that relatives of his insist he was born in Kenya? I need to see some proof, not just a doctored up scan of a certification of live birth that proves nothing as it cold easily be gotten by non-citizens. > > Wrong. So wrong. First, his father was a Kenyan citizen under the British Mandate and thus a British citizen. In order to be natural born, either both his parents had to be legal citizens (which his father was not) or, barring that, the other parent (in this case his mother) had to have resided in the USA for at least 10 years, at lest 5 of which had to have been after the age of 16. Thus, she needed to be at least 21 years of age when she gave birth to Obama, and in reality she was only 18. Thus, according to law, she could not confer citizenship. Therefore he cannot be natural born. > > There are also issues where he inherited Indonesian citizenship from his adopted father and would thus be ineligible. There are lots of questions, and he refuses to clear them up. When someone fights that hard to hide something, they have something to hide. > > He very well may be a citizen. However, he is not a NATURAL BORN CITIZEN, which is the requirement for president. Thus, he is ineligible. > > So why is he hiding all his records…his original true long form birth certificate, his passport records, his school transcripts and financial aid papers, etc? Why has be spent $2,000,000 to suppress any release of his birth certificate when he could have simply spent $10 and made the issue go away? You are aware than almost 60% of people polled have questions about his authenticity? > > Can you explain why he’s using a Social Security number that belongs to a man who was born in 1890 and issued in Connecticut when in fact the SSA never re-issues numbers and always issues numbers specific to the state in which you are born and Obama has no link to Connecticut? > > There is strong evidence that the COLB document posted online is a forgery. > > How about all the confusion over his long form certificate? People (including O’Reilly and some Hawaiian public health department agents) have claimed to have seen it in 2009, only to then have the state of Hawaii claim that all paper certificates were destroyed in 2001 and only electronic documents exist! So who’s lying? If the paper version was destroyed in 2001, then how did these people see the paper certificate in 2009? > > Here, go disprove this research showing even the COLB posted online (which is not sufficient, but is all Obama and the anti-birthers has to offer) isn’t legitimate: > > [http://bogusbithcertificate.blogspot.com/](http://bogusbithcertificate.blogspot.com/) > > A worker at the Dept. of Health in Hawaii signed an affidavit saying that there is no long form birth certificate for Obama. > > Here is an archive on damning research exposing so many of the lies coming from Obama surrounding his birth issues: > > [WorldNetDaily](http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=98546) > > Don’t skirt the issue with a pathetic and typical “oh, I don’t acknowledge that right wing website”. That’s a pussy cop-out. Go refute the facts or admit that you’re a pussy who’s afraid of the truth. You fucking retard - I wrote none of that which you attributed to me. ---
**Author:** ![villa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/bc79bd/32.png) [@villa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/villa)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2011, 3:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/more-muslim-marvelousnous/570243/766 "2011-02-12T03:27:02Z")
> [@Champion-of-Truth](#): > > Villa flaunts his ignorance, stupidity, and lack of common sense in one post: > > Wow, yeah, that’s damning logic! Amazing. :rolleyes: > > You’re an idiot. > > Wrong again, moron. Obama claims he is natural born. It is up to him to prove his claim. He has never been vetted. He has been sued and proof has been demanded of him. It us not up to us to prove a negative, that’s not how debate works. It has been accepted by the court system that he is natural born, otherwise he would not have been sworn in. Therefore it is you seeking a change to the current situation - that of acceptance of natural citizenship. Therefore it is up to you to provide the alternative evidence. You think you have it. You clearly think Obama is not legitimately President. So use it. Bring suit. Alternatively, take up my earlier offer on a wager on any of the birther law suits. You are so sure of the accuracy of your “evidence” that you must surely be willing to wager your allowance on this. Doesn’t the chance to win enough for a spanking new bicycle tempt you? Put your money where your putrid, racist mouth is, child. > [@Champion-of-Truth](#): > > Thank God for that! Last thing we need is another smarmy liberal fuck who is too stupid and lazy to even look into the basics of any issue. You must be a piece of liberal Euro-trash then. Now shut your stupid mouth unless and until you’re willing to debate actual issues and facts. I tire of your idiotic mewling. Poor baby. It’s going to really upset you when I bother to put the paperwork in for citizenship. A great incentive to do it, actually. I’ve told you where, if you had the slightest belief in your “evidence” you would have it tested. But that’s not for you. You won’t even wager on any of the existing ludicrous suits. I’m smelling fear - something I have smelled from little racist fuckwits for 25 years or so. ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2011, 3:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/more-muslim-marvelousnous/570243/767 "2011-02-12T03:32:24Z")
What about big racist fuckwits? ---
**Author:** ![Lobohan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobohan/32/79_2.png) [@Lobohan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobohan)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2011, 3:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/more-muslim-marvelousnous/570243/768 "2011-02-12T03:33:17Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > What about big racist fuckwits? No one has forgotten about you, SA. ---
**Author:** ![Lamar\_Mundane](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/85f322/32.png) [@Lamar\_Mundane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lamar_Mundane)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2011, 3:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/more-muslim-marvelousnous/570243/769 "2011-02-12T03:41:10Z")
> [@Lobohan](#): > > No one has forgotten about you, SA. Maybe not, but he has been getting challenged the last few days for his crown as the dumbest conservative on the SDMB. Our latest challenger has co-opted his “I’m really starting to look like a clueless loser so I must say that I have to leave/I refuse to respond to anyone that is making me look like an idiot” ploy. He’s feeling like Hosni Mubarak right now. Go, Starving Artist, go! Don’t let these Johnny-come-latelies take your rightful crown! ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2011, 3:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/more-muslim-marvelousnous/570243/770 "2011-02-12T03:43:15Z")
Come on, let’s face it, **SA** just isn’t in \*\*Chump of Truthiness’ \*\*league, its like comparing whale oil with napalm! When it comes to vicious ignorance, he’s the genuine ring-tailed rip-snorter! ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2011, 4:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/more-muslim-marvelousnous/570243/771 "2011-02-12T04:36:37Z")
Funny, I was on my way to work last night and I heard on BBC news that some mathematicians have determined that the amount of information-storing capacity on the planet was something like 23 X 10[sup]21[/sup] bytes. And now **magellan01** ’s little thread has brought **Champion-of-Truth** along to use it all up. On the bright side, it looks like we’re all about to have a lot more time on our hands. Well, **magellan01** , I hope you’re proud of yoursel ---
**Author:** ![magellan01](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@magellan01](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/magellan01)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2011, 4:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/more-muslim-marvelousnous/570243/772 "2011-02-12T04:42:03Z")
> [@saoirse](#): > > I have no idea whose name did it in, and really I don’t care. I don’t care if the 9/11 hijackers were doing it in the name of Islam, or if they were suicidal, or had an opportunity for someone to give money to their families. I’d really rather they not do it at all. And if they were an isolated group or an individual, I wouldn’t care either. But you have the U.S. Cole, the embassy in Beirut, the nightclub in Bali, the would-be Times Square bomber, Richard Reid, the underwear bomber, the bombings in Spain and England, the shooter at Fort Hood, the traitor GI who used hand grenades on his own men, and others. and they share a common denominator. Having a common denominator is a \*good \*thing from a prevention standpoint. It gives you one piece of information that helps you know where to look and where not to look. And given that law enforcement has limited resources, they are eager to exploit common denominators. ---
**Author:** ![magellan01](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@magellan01](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/magellan01)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2011, 4:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/more-muslim-marvelousnous/570243/773 "2011-02-12T04:44:39Z")
> [@villa](#): > > It’s also ridiculous for people like **Magellan** to trace all the things that have happened since 9/11 back to Islam. All the overreaction is the fault of the idiots in Congress. > > If I set up Claymores in my front yard because a guy 20 blocks over had his grill stolen, it is pretty cheeky of me to blame the thief when the mailman gets hit with thousands of steel balls travelling at high velocity. That fact that you think that is an apt analogy is disappointing in the extreme. ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2011, 4:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/more-muslim-marvelousnous/570243/774 "2011-02-12T04:53:15Z")
> [@Champion-of-Truth](#): > > Play fair or fuck off. **Champion** , even though standards are greatly relaxed in the Pit, there are still some terms that are not allowed here when used against other posters. “Fuck off” is one of them. [Pleaser refer to this thread](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=508858) for the complete, albeit short, list of words and phrases that are against the rules, and avoid them in the future. No warning issued. ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2011, 4:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/more-muslim-marvelousnous/570243/775 "2011-02-12T04:55:48Z")
> [@Lamar\_Mundane](#): > > Maybe not, but he has been getting challenged the last few days for his crown as the dumbest conservative on the SDMB. Our latest challenger has co-opted his “I’m really starting to look like a clueless loser so I must say that I have to leave/I refuse to respond to anyone that is making me look like an idiot” ploy. There aren’t too many people on this board who can make me look like an idiot. Or if there are they don’t post much. But one thing’s for sure - if there are, you danged sure ain’t one of 'em. Still, there comes a time when, after arguing all afternoon and half the night with a literally inexhaustible supply of imbesiles and maroons, I have to actually go out and do shit. Which of course gives losers like you an opportunity to do what you couldn’t do while I was still here - which is, in your inimitable little way, to declare victory. So, knock yourself out. I’m about to leave again. Gotta pick up some leeks, garlic, ginger root, eggs, soy sauce and seseme oil for a fried rice dish that’s among the things on the menu for tomorrow. Now be honest, would you rather be doing stuff like that tonight…or talking to someone like you? Yeah, me too. Ta. ---
**Author:** ![magellan01](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@magellan01](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/magellan01)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2011, 5:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/more-muslim-marvelousnous/570243/776 "2011-02-12T05:01:06Z")
> [@Damuri\_Ajashi](#): > > I think it might have been your OP taht poisoned the well for me when you implied that punishing a 14 year old girl by whipping her to death was representative of Islam generally. > > The addition of the words “then you might have a feel for Islam” after you describe the incestuous rape followed by the lethal whipping seems to imply that you think that this sort of thing is emblematic of Islam. Yes. I’m sure you’re right. In my defense, it was a rant for the Pit. and I assumed that people had taken at least one course in logic and had some familiarity with the concept of sets and subsets. > [@Damuri\_Ajashi](#): > > So, without identifying how the Koran stands out beyond the bible or the talmud, you correlate all the crap evil people do in the name of Allah with the worship of allah? No. Why can’t you get this?: It is not I who is assigning cause to Islam or worship of Allah, the murderous barbarians themselves are very clear as to their motivation. This is not guesswork. It’ almost as if you wouldn’t be convinced unless all these barbarians actually told us why they commit these acts, perhaps even sharing a common cry as they inflict their animal ways on innocent people. Oh wait, they do! > [@Damuri\_Ajashi](#): > > A lot of people have attributed Islamic violence to geopolitical facts rather than religiosus doctrine and frankly they seem to at least have the best of the argument why they are violent towards teh specific people theya re violent towards. I mean the jihadists aren’t trying to convert the benighted people of Columbia. There is a reason why they are targetting the USA and its not to convert us to Islam. Do you think that they would be attacking the USA if Israel didn’t exist or if we didn’t have military bases all over the world? I’m not saying its ok to attack us because we do but I am saying that their reason for attacking us is not because we are infidels. I’m sure politics is a contributing factor for some. Yet, like I said, we don’t have to guess why they do what they do, they tell us. Repeatedly. > [@Damuri\_Ajashi](#): > > Yes and then I read your OP and it seems like youa re paainting all of Islam with this one act. I thought I explained that wit the "New York City analogy. If you don’t get that, I can’t help you. > [@Damuri\_Ajashi](#): > > I thought I did at least a little bit. The irony of religion is that almost every religion preaches love but is a powerful language in spreading hatred. I agree. But hatred is one thing. Blowing up innocent people including children is QUITE another. ---
**Author:** ![Champion-of-Truth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ecccb3/32.png) [@Champion-of-Truth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Champion-of-Truth)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2011, 5:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/more-muslim-marvelousnous/570243/777 "2011-02-12T05:01:44Z")
Starving Artist wrote: > [@](#): > > Still, there comes a time when, after arguing all afternoon and half the night with a literally inexhaustible supply of imbesiles and maroons, I have to actually go out and do shit. Amen! But oh hell, now these dipshits are gonna start claiming I’m your sock puppet since I posted after you went offline. And they call ME a conspiracy nut! :rolleyes: And Ibn quoted ANDERSON COOPER! ROTFLMAO! And they criticize MY sources? :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2011, 5:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/more-muslim-marvelousnous/570243/778 "2011-02-12T05:01:59Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > There aren’t too many people on this board who can make me look like an idiot. It only takes one. The rest of us are just your adoring fans. ---
**Author:** ![magellan01](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@magellan01](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/magellan01)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2011, 5:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/more-muslim-marvelousnous/570243/779 "2011-02-12T05:05:22Z")
> [@Damuri\_Ajashi](#): > > The deaths 9/11 itself was not that big a deal. More people died of car accidents in September of 2001 than of terrorism. I knew people in the towers on 9/11 and it was bad and we had to respond but it wasn’t the biggest thing to happen in my lifetime. Oh, an attack on our soil that resulted in the second largest loss of American life (largest for non-military) and altered the skyline of our largest city is “not that big a deal”?😕 Are you nuts? But I have to ask, in your lifetime, what was a bigger thing to happen? ---
**Author:** ![magellan01](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@magellan01](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/magellan01)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2011, 5:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/more-muslim-marvelousnous/570243/780 "2011-02-12T05:06:53Z")
> [@Damuri\_Ajashi](#): > > I suspect you used 60 years to try and equate 9/11 to the events surrounding WWII. WWII is up there but 9/11 is so far down the list below WWII that it might not make the top 10. > > The cold war was more than the threat of nuclear holocaust. We had these things called proxy wars. One of them was even in Afghanistan. Hint: one was a threat. The other actually happened. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/more-muslim-marvelousnous/570243.md?page=38) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/more-muslim-marvelousnous/570243.md?page=40)