# More Muslim Marvelousnous **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [February 5, 2011, 3:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/more-muslim-marvelousnous/570243 "2011-02-05T03:19:28Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 42
**Author:** ![Champion-of-Truth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ecccb3/32.png) [@Champion-of-Truth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Champion-of-Truth)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2011, 6:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/more-muslim-marvelousnous/570243/821 "2011-02-12T06:27:16Z")
Someone please tell Villa that he must address me as “Champion of Truth, SIR” in order to get a direct response from me. :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![villa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/bc79bd/32.png) [@villa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/villa)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2011, 6:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/more-muslim-marvelousnous/570243/822 "2011-02-12T06:27:47Z")
Come on sparky - that brand new BMX bike is waiting for you… ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2011, 6:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/more-muslim-marvelousnous/570243/823 "2011-02-12T06:30:26Z")
Your standards of proof vary. Yours requires some verifiable fact to be tested, his consists of typing “Anderson Fucking Cooper” all in caps, which totally crushes you. ---
**Author:** ![magellan01](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@magellan01](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/magellan01)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2011, 6:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/more-muslim-marvelousnous/570243/824 "2011-02-12T06:31:55Z")
> [@villa](#): > > Shouldn’t it be easy? You saying I am working against the girl’s interest isn’t really very good evidence I am working against the girl’s interest… Look, dipshit. I’m not into playing you’re little game of you trying to imply that I said you said something in direct support of the barbarians. I did not. I pointed you to the post that explains my position. It’s pretty clear. Really. Even for you. ---
**Author:** ![villa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/bc79bd/32.png) [@villa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/villa)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2011, 6:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/more-muslim-marvelousnous/570243/825 "2011-02-12T06:34:07Z")
And it is offensively wrong. You have nothing. You can point to nothing. Your view is that anyone who doesn’t blame all of Islam for this is contributing. That’s complete shit. In fact, blaming all of Islam makes this sort of thing MORE likely, not less. It is people with your view that make terrorism more likely, not less. ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2011, 6:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/more-muslim-marvelousnous/570243/826 "2011-02-12T06:34:14Z")
> [@magellan01](#): > > Miller, you are aware that that was a Coulter quote, right? It is? Shit, change that “not a warning” to an insta-ban, then. In all seriousness, yeah, I recognized the quote, but **Champion** appears to be endorsing the sentiment unironically. The fact that a given quote or viewpoint is not original to the person posting it does not allow them to circumvent the rules of the forum. If a poster showed up advocating that the Jews be exterminated, he’s not going to get a pass if he’s doing it by quoting chapter and verse from _Mein Kampf_. Incidentally… > [@Champion\_of\_Truth](#): > > Well show us where Christianity is proposing to WIPE AN ENTIRE RACE OFF THE EARTH. Anne Coulter is a Christian, isn’t she? ---
**Author:** ![Champion-of-Truth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ecccb3/32.png) [@Champion-of-Truth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Champion-of-Truth)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2011, 6:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/more-muslim-marvelousnous/570243/827 "2011-02-12T06:43:20Z")
Miller, she is, but she isn’t calling for wiping out an entire culture. That was me. 😉 Ann just said to invade their countries, kill their leaders, and convert them to Christianity. I have to say, I think she’s onto something there! 😉 ---
**Author:** ![101flyboy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/1/5e9695/32.png) [@101flyboy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/101flyboy)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2011, 6:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/more-muslim-marvelousnous/570243/828 "2011-02-12T06:51:28Z")
To be as simplistic as possible: Organized religion=ignorance=evil people who take advantage of this=more ignorance/brainwashed individuals=problems. ---
**Author:** ![NCDane](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/ecccb3/32.png) [@NCDane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NCDane)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2011, 7:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/more-muslim-marvelousnous/570243/829 "2011-02-12T07:02:42Z")
[QUOTE=Damuri Ajashi] I’m not sure how thats relevant. All religions have reigned over abyssmal situations [/QUOTE] Yes, all religions have. however, Islam is now, as we speak, the worst. [QUOTE=Damuri Ajashi] The point I was responding to was one taht said that Jewish terrorism and Catholic terrorism wasn’t as important as Muslim terrorism because it only affects a small geographic area. If I posit that Muslims see American militarya ctivity as Christian military activity then why wouldn’t they be able to reach teh same conclusions about Christianity as a bloodthirsty religion as some have reached about the innate bloodthirstiness of Islam? [/QUOTE] I have been around and around on the topic to the tune of 100s, maybe 1000s of posts of various chat rooms since 2004. I am tired of it, and do not wish to take part in any more lengthy exchanges. [QUOTE=Damuri Ajashi] Well, we’ll jsut have toa gree to disagree because while I agree that Afghanistan was a justified response to 9/11 I think Iraq was simply military adventurism and was entirely unjustified. [/QUOTE] I have been around and around on the topic… I am tired of it, and do not wish to take part in any more lengthy exchanges. [QUOTE=Damuri Ajashi] Ibn seems to disagree. And it is not irrelevant because just as Zionists and Irish Republicans can use the language of religion to prop up their cause, so can terrorists use the language fo religion. [/QUOTE] I am satisfied with the case I have made for the role of religion as a cause and basis for terror. I have nothing to add and shall not reply further on that theme. [QUOTE=Damuri Ajashi] I’ve had this discussion several times and I’ve asked, why Israel in Palestine? Why not in South America if the creation nfo a Jewish state was the purpose, then why did it have to be in palestine where you were surrounded by enemies. The answer was, no other location could draw the support of Jews around the world. [/QUOTE] And that was the correct answer. I would add, however, that I doubt any government in South America or elsewhere would have been willing to cede any of its territory for a Jewish home state or for any other reason. Palestine only became available because Turkey, its long-time overlord was driven out during WW1. [QUOTE=Damuri Ajashi] I think that Israel/Palestine is much more symbolically important than Christians in Sudan. [/QUOTE] I am not sure what you mean by this. [QUOTE=Damuri Ajashi] Well, let me clarify. I’'m not saying that abortion is turning Christians into terrorists wholesale, I am saying that it is radicalizing them. They are turning into teabaggers and republicans. They are starting to buy into whacky theories because they end up hanging out with racists, libertarians, rich people who don’t want to pay tacxes no matter what… Republicans. [/QUOTE] You are mistaken. There has been no change in the religious demographics of the abortion issue for close to 50 years. The Evangelical fundamentalists are the only faction so opposed to abortion as to consider Pro-Life commitment mandatory in who they vote for, and their numbers have not risen significantly. Obama would never have won my home state (North Carolina) otherwise. The basis for the teabaggers recent success has nothing to do with abortion. It arose in opposition to emergency bailout of the financial and automobile industries, and in a general hostility toward federal government powers. [QUOTE=Damuri Ajashi] Its hard to tell the contexxt because I can’t link to the post youa re responding to so i don’t really know the context. You may not be accusing all muslims of extremism but a lot of people have. [/QUOTE] I have gone on record here as saying about 50% hold extreme religious views. I may not have clearly distinguished between religious views and support for terror. Most religious extremists are _not_ also terrorist extremists. [QUOTE=Damuri Ajashi] Once again, I’m not really sure of the context but if they want to eliminate the requirement that Israel remain a jewish state then I’m not sure I see why that is offensive. [/QUOTE] The Jewish identity of the government and most of its citizens is a foundation tenet of Israel’s existence. I believe the Israeli Jews will stake their lives on that, to the last man and woman who can stand up and fight. [QUOTE=Damuri Ajashi] So ethiopian Jews and Sephardic Jews and Ashkenazi Jews and Mizrahi Jews and Sammy Davis Jr. Jews are all one ethnicity? [/QUOTE] Anyone whose mother was a Jew is considered a Jew. That applies to all Jewish communities everywhere, and I believe most individual members of those communities are legitimately Jewish going back before records were preserved. Conversion is rare, but is sometimes permitted. I do not know if Davis’ conversion is generally accepted as proper. [QUOTE=Damuri Ajashi] You are clipping the quotes to the point that I don’t know wtf the point is anymore and you are not clicking the “quote” button so I can’t go back and look without searching through the thread. [/QUOTE] I could not tell what your point was either. I only wanted to introduce some more detail on European languages. What “quote” button are you speaking of? for long replies like this one I copy the post I am speaking to to a Word document and then copy and paste it back at SD. [QUOTE=Damuri Ajashi] Yeah, I don’t think that’s true. [/QUOTE] I would be astonished if less than 90% of all Jews worldwide did not support permanent existence of the state of Israel. The percentage supporting its creation in 19458 may have been less, but that is no longer relevant. [QUOTE=Damuri Ajashi] At taht point you are just sayign that there are more Muslims than jews in teh world. [/QUOTE] Excuse me? I never said any such thing. Without looking it up I would say there are over one billion Muslims and about 30-40 million Jews. ---
**Author:** ![NCDane](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/ecccb3/32.png) [@NCDane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NCDane)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2011, 7:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/more-muslim-marvelousnous/570243/830 "2011-02-12T07:07:52Z")
> [@villa](#): > > It is certainly a small group. But you really cannot use the term Zionist to mean “support for the existance of Israel.” It goes further than that, and there are many modern day Jews who would not describe themself as Zionists. I might consider accepting another definition, but I can’t off hand think of anything meaningful. What do you have in mind? ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2011, 7:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/more-muslim-marvelousnous/570243/831 "2011-02-12T07:16:21Z")
**Miller** , did you guys start some sort of outreach program, or something? Its like low tide around here. “Tide goes out, and you’ve got a month or so of bitter belligerent noobs. There’s no miscommunication, even though you may wish to God there was. You can’t explain that!..” ---
**Author:** ![NCDane](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/ecccb3/32.png) [@NCDane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NCDane)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2011, 7:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/more-muslim-marvelousnous/570243/832 "2011-02-12T07:29:09Z")
> [@Damuri\_Ajashi](#): > > So where the facts comport with your view, it is because Islam is a violent religion and where they do not comport with yourn theory, there are historical factors at play that explain the difference. > > Random statistical variation should drop to a few percentage pioints one way or another when you are talking about sample sizes as large as the ones in those polls. You are basically explaining away all inconsistaency with your theory based on historical causes without acknowledgint that all this violence could have its roots in historical causes rather than some sort of religious mandate. There is everywhere constant interplay of historical actors and ideas. Some actors such as Ataturk may have great influence on ideas in one place, but no little or no influence anywhere else. That is a fact, not a theory, and I do not see why it should be controversial. ---
**Author:** ![Ibn\_Warraq](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/e19b73/32.png) [@Ibn\_Warraq](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ibn_Warraq)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2011, 7:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/more-muslim-marvelousnous/570243/833 "2011-02-12T07:29:52Z")
I do think it’s quite humorous that after Elucidiator ridiculed his citation of World Nut Daily, Champion proclaimed. > [@](#): > > See, just as I predicted. You’re a simpleton. If what they have researched is wrong, show us proof it is wrong. Put up or shut up. But no, you can’t do that. We all see you’re full of shit. > > It’s a clear pattern that when I post references of cite facts, you ignore them or dismiss them. So you’re just a worthless fuck who is afraid of true debate. You can hide behind all the evasive tactics you like, it doesn’t change what you are. Between you and me, I am the only one posting actual citations, sources and proofs. You offer only derisive, dismissive insults. Which tells us you’re simply not intelligent enough to engage in debate. Nevertheless, after attacking Elucidiator for not proving the errors in the WND article, he’s spent several pages ridiculing citing Anderson Cooper of CNN as being unreliable in a style more in the manner of a 16-year-old than an intelligent critic and has repeatedly refused to show where Cooper was wrong in the clip I cited earlier. ---
**Author:** ![Champion-of-Truth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ecccb3/32.png) [@Champion-of-Truth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Champion-of-Truth)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2011, 8:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/more-muslim-marvelousnous/570243/834 "2011-02-12T08:01:52Z")
Ibn Warraq wrote: > [@](#): > > Nevertheless, after attacking Elucidiator for not proving the errors in the WND article, he’s spent several pages ridiculing citing Anderson Cooper of CNN as being unreliable in a style more in the manner of a 16-year-old than an intelligent critic and has repeatedly refused to show where Cooper was wrong in the clip I cited earlier. Let me explain something. I know Elucidator’s type. They’re never satisfied. They insist on the other person posting citation after citation, and when a citation from a reputable source is made, they dismiss it out of hand, unread. They ridicule the source. And then they refuse to even attempt to refute the source cited. And so it’s a waste of time to respond to their pathetic requests for citation. And yet when the shoe is on the other foot, when someone dismisses one of their citations without backing the dismissal with facts, they whine and howl like banshees - “Waaah! You won’t cite how ANDERSON COOPER is wrong! Waaaah!” Well tough shit. I’ll shoot that stupid androgyne down as requested the minute Elucidator (or whoever else requests me to) actually makes a serious attempt to dispute the references I provided, mainly from WND. And not a microsecond sooner no matter how hard they whine. What’s good for the goose, and all that. 😉 Typical hypocritical liberal pukes. Do as I say, not as I do. :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![Inner\_Stickler](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/inner_stickler/32/318_2.png) [@Inner\_Stickler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Inner_Stickler)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2011, 8:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/more-muslim-marvelousnous/570243/835 "2011-02-12T08:06:10Z")
You’re funny. Dumb, but funny. ---
**Author:** ![Champion-of-Truth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ecccb3/32.png) [@Champion-of-Truth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Champion-of-Truth)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2011, 8:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/more-muslim-marvelousnous/570243/836 "2011-02-12T08:11:24Z")
Prove it! I WANT A CITE!!! And not a link to an ANDERSON FUCKING COOPER video! LMAO! ---
**Author:** ![Inner\_Stickler](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/inner_stickler/32/318_2.png) [@Inner\_Stickler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Inner_Stickler)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2011, 8:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/more-muslim-marvelousnous/570243/837 "2011-02-12T08:16:13Z")
[Cite](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=13458877&postcount=821) [Moar cite](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=13458875&postcount=820) ['nother cite](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=13458866&postcount=815) [Look, a cite](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=13458862&postcount=813) [Don’t say I never gave you anything](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=13459010&postcount=834) Now then, don’t you have spittleflecked frothing to do? Off with you, now. ---
**Author:** ![Champion-of-Truth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ecccb3/32.png) [@Champion-of-Truth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Champion-of-Truth)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2011, 8:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/more-muslim-marvelousnous/570243/838 "2011-02-12T08:18:31Z")
You failed. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2011, 8:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/more-muslim-marvelousnous/570243/839 "2011-02-12T08:20:08Z")
> [@](#): > > …has committed 16,799 acts of deadly terror since 9/11… Newsbusters. [http://newsbusters.org/blogs/matt-hadro/2011/02/10/condescending-morning-joe-panel-praises-imam-rauf-and-wife-moderates-que](http://newsbusters.org/blogs/matt-hadro/2011/02/10/condescending-morning-joe-panel-praises-imam-rauf-and-wife-moderates-que) And here’s the punch line: it was a _comment_ on Newsbusters. Basicly, some guy on Newsbusters. ---
**Author:** ![Inner\_Stickler](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/inner_stickler/32/318_2.png) [@Inner\_Stickler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Inner_Stickler)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2011, 8:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/more-muslim-marvelousnous/570243/840 "2011-02-12T08:23:01Z")
> [@Champion-of-Truth](#): > > You failed. So, does thinking cause you physical pain, or what? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/more-muslim-marvelousnous/570243.md?page=41) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/more-muslim-marvelousnous/570243.md?page=43)