# More Muslim Marvelousnous **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [February 5, 2011, 3:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/more-muslim-marvelousnous/570243 "2011-02-05T03:19:28Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 44
**Author:** ![El\_Kabong](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/el_kabong/32/496_2.png) [@El\_Kabong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/El_Kabong)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2011, 1:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/more-muslim-marvelousnous/570243/861 "2011-02-12T13:30:42Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > So, given that you, even though you showed up in the thread, have stated you too are unwilling to attempt to justify the board’s double standard regarding liberal broad brush criticism of conservatives vs. its condemnation of conservative broad brush criticism of Muslims, it looks like the score still remains at: **SA** , 1; Liberal hypocrits, 0. Well, I don’t think anyone can in good conscience award such a score, given that you are basically supporting your argument by coming out in support of a person who has repeatedly called for genocide of all muslims. Sorry. ---
**Author:** ![Capitaine\_Zombie](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e95f7d/32.png) [@Capitaine\_Zombie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Capitaine_Zombie)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2011, 3:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/more-muslim-marvelousnous/570243/862 "2011-02-12T15:13:10Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > So, given that you, even though you showed up in the thread, have stated you too are unwilling to attempt to justify the board’s double standard regarding liberal broad brush criticism of conservatives vs. its condemnation of conservative broad brush criticism of Muslims, it looks like the score still remains at: **SA** , 1; Liberal hypocrits, 0. After circle jerlking. Gentlemen I give you the Board’s equivalent of the Autofellatio! May its power never fall into evil hands. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2011, 4:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/more-muslim-marvelousnous/570243/863 "2011-02-12T16:41:52Z")
Well I dunno, **Stakers**. The new kid has a lot of verve, a lot of snap, the ol’ razzle-dazzle. Willing to go where you’re not, willing to take his crazy to the next level. He’s ready to wipe out about a sixth of humanity, and you’re just maundering along about liberal permisiveness and hypocrisy. Plus, he is more open to information. He’s willing to use a comment on _Newsbusters_ as a cite, and you won’t go there. Of course, you pretty much avoid cites to begin with, preferring to rely on your status as the World’s Foremost Authority. Which is cool by me, understand, they are about equal in terms of validity. Plus, he’s up to date with the hate. You’re gonna have to take it up a notch. ---
**Author:** ![Uzi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/91b2a8/32.png) [@Uzi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Uzi)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2011, 4:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/more-muslim-marvelousnous/570243/864 "2011-02-12T16:52:39Z")
> [@Cat\_Whisperer](#): > > He only SEEMS like a nice, intelligent, competent person. Ah, but he did make a recommendation to increase the GST in Calgary from 5 to 6%. Nothing nice about that and kind of casts doubts as to his intelligence and competence raising such a suggestion in here in Calgary. ---
**Author:** ![Champion-of-Truth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ecccb3/32.png) [@Champion-of-Truth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Champion-of-Truth)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2011, 5:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/more-muslim-marvelousnous/570243/865 "2011-02-12T17:38:02Z")
Monty wrote: > [@](#): > > 1. I guess I’m lucky I’m still alive, what with all the Muslims I’ve encountered in my life. Let’s see…there were a few Muslims in my Basic Training company and they were trusted with actual weapons around non-Muslims. Then there were a few Mulims Sailors on my first ship, a nuclear-powered aircraft carrier at that, and they were trusted with actual weapons around non-Muslims. Then there were a few Muslim Sailors on my second ship and they were trusted with actual weapons around non-Muslims. And I’ve visited predominantly Muslims countries a few times, to wit: Malaysia and the United Arab Emirates, and had no problems at all. I’ll skip all the other times and places I’ve encountered Muslims, worked with Muslims, studied with Muslims, etc. just to rocket this to today. I took a 3 1/2 hour train ride with two Muslims. And none of the people in any of those cases tried to kill me. Ah, yes, the “I Know A Non-Violent Muslim Fallacy”. You’ll make a good dhimmi, really you will. Moron. > [@](#): > > 1. Look, there are approximately one billion Muslims on Planet Earth. If the religion really did require them to kill all non-Muslims, then there would alread be no Muslims at all in many countries, especially countries like Lebanon and Iraq, which have significant Christian communities. Wow, I’m dazzled by your brilliant, penetrating logic. Not. :rolleyes: But then that’s what makes liberals so damned funny, and so damned fun to argue with. They just have no grasp of reality. They arbitrarily decide on strange beliefs for no discernible reason whatsoever. They are totally oblivious to reality and immune to logic. And best of all, they have a masturbatory obsession with their own experience and believe that their tiny perception of the world is the big picture. Totally infantilized narcissists. Of course, their debating skills are nil, and they don’t have the common sense most lower animals were born with, but hey, you can’t have everything, right? 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Kobal2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kobal2/32/20_2.png) [@Kobal2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kobal2)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2011, 5:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/more-muslim-marvelousnous/570243/866 "2011-02-12T17:41:23Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > Well I dunno, **Stakers**. The new kid has a lot of verve, a lot of snap, the ol’ razzle-dazzle. Willing to go where you’re not, willing to take his crazy to the next level. He’s ready to wipe out about a sixth of humanity, and you’re just maundering along about liberal permisiveness and hypocrisy. > > Plus, he is more open to information. He’s willing to use a comment on _Newsbusters_ as a cite, and you won’t go there. Of course, you pretty much avoid cites to begin with, preferring to rely on your status as the World’s Foremost Authority. Which is cool by me, understand, they are about equal in terms of validity. > > Plus, he’s up to date with the hate. > > You’re gonna have to take it up a notch. On the other hand, if there’s one thing we know about Starvy it’s that he can go the distance. Again, and again, and again. Then he’ll start over from the top. He’s never gonna give you up, never gonna let you down. For all we know the new kid is gonna get his ass banned in a week. Now, as a side note and for my personnal enlightenment: who the fuck is Anderson F. Cooper, and why does he twist Cro-Magnon’s panties so hard ? ---
**Author:** ![magellan01](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@magellan01](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/magellan01)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2011, 5:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/more-muslim-marvelousnous/570243/867 "2011-02-12T17:56:13Z")
> [@Monty](#): > > 1. I guess I’m lucky I’m still alive, what with all the Muslims I’ve encountered in my life. Let’s see…there were a few Muslims in my Basic Training company and they were trusted with actual weapons around non-Muslims. Then there were a few Mulims Sailors on my first ship, a nuclear-powered aircraft carrier at that, and they were trusted with actual weapons around non-Muslims. Then there were a few Muslim Sailors on my second ship and they were trusted with actual weapons around non-Muslims. And I’ve visited predominantly Muslims countries a few times, to wit: Malaysia and the United Arab Emirates, and had no problems at all. I’ll skip all the other times and places I’ve encountered Muslims, worked with Muslims, studied with Muslims, etc. just to rocket this to today. I took a 3 1/2 hour train ride with two Muslims. And none of the people in any of those cases tried to kill me. > > 2. Look, there are approximately one billion Muslims on Planet Earth. If the religion really did require them to kill all non-Muslims, then there would alread be no Muslims at all in many countries, especially countries like Lebanon and Iraq, which have significant Christian communities. You seem to be under the impression that either the OP (me) or some one else in the thread is of the opinion that ALL Muslims are murderous barbaric terrorists or that the religion REQUIRES all Muslims to kill non-Muslims. You’ll have to point me to the seed from where these straw men sprouted in your mind. ---
**Author:** ![magellan01](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@magellan01](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/magellan01)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2011, 6:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/more-muslim-marvelousnous/570243/868 "2011-02-12T18:00:33Z")
> [@Miller](#): > > It is? Shit, change that “not a warning” to an insta-ban, then. > > In all seriousness, yeah, I recognized the quote, but **Champion** appears to be endorsing the sentiment unironically. The fact that a given quote or viewpoint is not original to the person posting it does not allow them to circumvent the rules of the forum. If a poster showed up advocating that the Jews be exterminated, he’s not going to get a pass if he’s doing it by quoting chapter and verse from _Mein Kampf_. This raises an interesting issue. Coulter is a very popular author. Her books repeatedly make it to the top ten, if not the number one spot, yet what she writes is not allowed on The Dope? Is that right? ---
**Author:** ![VinylTurnip](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/b2d939/32.png) [@VinylTurnip](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VinylTurnip)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2011, 6:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/more-muslim-marvelousnous/570243/869 "2011-02-12T18:20:27Z")
It is “fighting ignorance,” after all, and not “fellating.” You and Ms. Coulter would perhaps feel more at home on the Free Republic forums? ---
**Author:** ![magellan01](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@magellan01](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/magellan01)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2011, 6:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/more-muslim-marvelousnous/570243/870 "2011-02-12T18:52:22Z")
> [@VinylTurnip](#): > > It is “fighting ignorance,” after all, and not “fellating.” You and Ms. Coulter would perhaps feel more at home on the Free Republic forums? Doesn’t answer the question, though. And thank you some much for your concern about my comfort. Speaking of fellating… ---
**Author:** ![VinylTurnip](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/b2d939/32.png) [@VinylTurnip](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VinylTurnip)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2011, 7:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/more-muslim-marvelousnous/570243/871 "2011-02-12T19:29:41Z")
I am not a mod, but I expect that were she a Doper, Coulter’s comment would not be permissible. As for referring to it, there is an obvious (to most) difference between quoting her for the purpose of discussing or condemning her sentiment, and quoting her simply in order to say “right on!” ---
**Author:** ![straight\_man](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/straight_man/32/3027_2.png) [@straight\_man](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/straight_man)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2011, 7:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/more-muslim-marvelousnous/570243/872 "2011-02-12T19:33:10Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > You don’t seem to understand. The question is why is it okay around here to generalize and hate Christians, conservatives and Tea Partiers but not to generalize about Muslims and Islam, especially given that their transgressions within it are so much worse? > > In other words, it’s about the _hypocrisy_, stupid. It’s not okay, but it’s worth pointing out _I am a Christian_ (and not a particularly liberal one, either), and if anything, that makes me more appreciate of Muslims. Of course, I think this is my first post in this thread, though I did take on our genocidal new guest in another thread. IOW, if there’s hypocrisy, it belongs in a different conversation. Not wanting to kill Muslims isn’t really a “liberal” project, it’s more of a “human decency” project. ---
**Author:** ![magellan01](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@magellan01](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/magellan01)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2011, 7:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/more-muslim-marvelousnous/570243/873 "2011-02-12T19:34:53Z")
> [@VinylTurnip](#): > > I am not a mod, but I expect that were she a Doper, Coulter’s comment would not be permissible. As for referring to it, there is an obvious (to most) difference between quoting her for the purpose of discussing or condemning her sentiment, and quoting her simply in order to say “right on!” Well, I commend you for your honesty and admitting that. I fear that you are completely correct. If it makes the liberals around here feel comfortable, it’s fine. If they find it objectionable, it’s not. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2011, 7:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/more-muslim-marvelousnous/570243/874 "2011-02-12T19:35:51Z")
> [@Champion-of-Truth](#): > > …Wow, I’m dazzled by your brilliant, penetrating logic. Not. :rolleyes:… The sparkling wit, that’s what I think. Some say its the encyclopedic grasp of stuff that just ain’t so, but I think its the Wildean wit. I mean, look at that! Snap! ---
**Author:** ![magellan01](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@magellan01](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/magellan01)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2011, 7:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/more-muslim-marvelousnous/570243/875 "2011-02-12T19:36:24Z")
> [@straight\_man](#): > > It’s not okay, but it’s worth pointing out _I am a Christian_ (and not a particularly liberal one, either), and if anything, that makes me more appreciate of Muslims. Of course, I think this is my first post in this thread, though I did take on our genocidal new guest in another thread. > > IOW, if there’s hypocrisy, it belongs in a different conversation. Not wanting to kill Muslims isn’t really a “liberal” project, it’s more of a “human decency” project. How about not wanting Muslims to kill others? Is that a human decency project, as well? ---
**Author:** ![magellan01](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@magellan01](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/magellan01)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2011, 7:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/more-muslim-marvelousnous/570243/876 "2011-02-12T19:38:52Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > The sparkling wit, that’s what I think. Some say its the encyclopedic grasp of stuff that just ain’t so, but I think its the Wildean wit. I mean, look at that! Snap! And here, even accounting for jest, we get to appreciate the parsec-wide chasm between how you perceive yourself and how you are perceived by others. ---
**Author:** ![straight\_man](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/straight_man/32/3027_2.png) [@straight\_man](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/straight_man)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2011, 7:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/more-muslim-marvelousnous/570243/877 "2011-02-12T19:42:01Z")
> [@magellan01](#): > > How about not wanting Muslims to kill others? Is that a human decency project, as well? Um… yes. I also don’t want Christians, Sikhs, Jews, Jains, Hindus, Buddhists, Shintos, Caodaists, Tenrikyists, or anyone else to kill others, and putting Muslims under a veil of suspicion isn’t really helpful in bridging the divides that encourage people to kill each other. Not to mention that one of the people posting here has advocated _killing or forcefully converting all Muslims_. > [@magellan01](#): > > You seem to be under the impression that either the OP (me) or some one else in the thread is of the opinion that ALL Muslims are murderous barbaric terrorists or that the religion REQUIRES all Muslims to kill non-Muslims. > > You’ll have to point me to the seed from where these straw men sprouted in your mind. Have you actually read the thread? ---
**Author:** ![VinylTurnip](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/b2d939/32.png) [@VinylTurnip](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VinylTurnip)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2011, 7:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/more-muslim-marvelousnous/570243/878 "2011-02-12T19:45:36Z")
> [@magellan01](#): > > Well, I commend you for your honesty and admitting that. I fear that you are completely correct. If it makes the liberals around here feel comfortable, it’s fine. If they find it objectionable, it’s not. Not really. One is a discussion of the statement itself, the other is an attempt to bypass the board rules. It’s the difference between saying, in a CS thread, “one of the all-time best movie endings is _The Front_, where Woody Allen says 'And furthermore, you can all go fuck yourselves,” and me saying (in a thread like this one), “ **magellan01** , to paraphrase Woody Allen in _The Front_, you can go fuck yourself.” See the difference? ---
**Author:** ![magellan01](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@magellan01](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/magellan01)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2011, 7:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/more-muslim-marvelousnous/570243/879 "2011-02-12T19:48:39Z")
> [@VinylTurnip](#): > > Not really. One is a discussion of the statement itself, the other is an attempt to bypass the board rules. It’s the difference between saying, in a CS thread, “one of the all-time best movie endings is _The Front_, where Woody Allen says 'And furthermore, you can all go fuck yourselves,” and me saying (in a thread like this one), “ **magellan01** , to paraphrase Woody Allen in _The Front_, you can go fuck yourself.” See the difference? Reported. Only kidding. But don’t you find it odd that an author as popular as Coulter would have her words banned here? You’re comfortable with that? ---
**Author:** ![magellan01](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@magellan01](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/magellan01)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2011, 7:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/more-muslim-marvelousnous/570243/880 "2011-02-12T19:52:17Z")
> [@straight\_man](#): > > Um… yes. I also don’t want Christians, Sikhs, Jews, Jains, Hindus, Buddhists, Shintos, Caodaists, Tenrikyists, or anyone else to kill others, and putting Muslims under a veil of suspicion isn’t really helpful in bridging the divides that encourage people to kill each other. Not to mention that one of the people posting here has advocated _killing or forcefully converting all Muslims_. Here’s the things, killing people is associated with one of those way more than the others. So, any serious attempt or desire to want to end it would have to hold Islam under a light. Or should we spend half our resources looking at Muslims and half looking at Quakers. Make sense? > [@straight\_man](#): > > Have you actually read the thread? Please think before you type. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/more-muslim-marvelousnous/570243.md?page=43) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/more-muslim-marvelousnous/570243.md?page=45)