# More Muslim Marvelousnous **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [February 5, 2011, 3:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/more-muslim-marvelousnous/570243 "2011-02-05T03:19:28Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 57
**Author:** ![Lobohan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobohan/32/79_2.png) [@Lobohan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobohan)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2011, 8:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/more-muslim-marvelousnous/570243/1121 "2011-02-17T20:50:44Z")
> [@magellan01](#): > > Not for the reason you might think. Since these comparisons attempt to hint what I advocate, but don’t—and you can find nothing that I’ve written that will support such nonsense—and fail miserably, I find that pathetic. The only thing that is a bit bothersome is the inability of the usual suspects to digest what I actually write. > > But hey, I’m used to it by now. Hey, quick question. How do you know if someone is Muslim? Do you want us to keep records of people’s religion? Is that okay with you? ---
**Author:** ![magellan01](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@magellan01](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/magellan01)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2011, 8:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/more-muslim-marvelousnous/570243/1122 "2011-02-17T20:53:13Z")
> [@villa](#): > > Why the hell did you assume that? Is that really the best you can do? I must ask—no, I must INSIST that you try harder. If you wind up biting your tongue off as it sticks out of the corner of your mouth as you concentrate and grimace through the effort, you’ll know you’ve given it all you’ve got. ---
**Author:** ![magellan01](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@magellan01](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/magellan01)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2011, 9:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/more-muslim-marvelousnous/570243/1123 "2011-02-17T21:00:14Z")
> [@Lobohan](#): > > Hey, quick question. How do you know if someone is Muslim? Well, it’s ridiculous to think they all look alike. Some might be carrying a Koran. Others a scimitar, you know, for beheadings. Others a bag full of rocks in the chance that a stoning pops up. Others might just have bloody hands from mutilating a young girl. Others still might be walking a pet goat. It’s not like they’ll _all_ have bombs strapped to them. That would be using a broad brush, would it not? > [@Lobohan](#): > > Do you want us to keep records of people’s religion? Is that okay with you? I don’t think it’s necessary, but it wouldn’t bother me. As far as the topic at hand, as I’ve said before, the FBI should focus in first in Muslims (mosques) and further cull from there. ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2011, 9:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/more-muslim-marvelousnous/570243/1124 "2011-02-17T21:09:14Z")
> [@villa](#): > > Why the hell did you assume that? I really have no idea why I made that assumption, **villa**. His latest gem really digs the hole deeper, though, doesn’t it? > [@magellan01](#): > > > [@](#): > > > > Originally Posted by **Lobohan** > > Do you want us to keep records of people’s religion? Is that okay with you? > > I don’t think it’s necessary, but it wouldn’t bother me. That whole Constitutional rights thing is a completey foreign concept to you, isn’t it, magellan? ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2011, 9:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/more-muslim-marvelousnous/570243/1125 "2011-02-17T21:33:05Z")
A fine old tradition, infiltration by the Secret Police. Did it to the Communists, did it to the Klan, did it to the Anti-war Movement. I’m sure Mags can give them some pointers on how to “fit in”. In fact, I can point them right to one of those dirty Muslims, he’s my Congressman, the Hon. Kieth Ellison. Shouldn’t be too hard to find. Funny story, back in the Dark Days, one of my better buddies was rather more radical than myself, and prone to conspiracy theories, dumb ideas about how the FBI was watching him. Piffle, says I, you don’t count for shit, why would they bother? Some years later, many, he got his file from Freedom of Information. About two inches thick. Didn’t much like that. Then he pointed out the place where my name showed up. Didn’t like that at all! but at least the dumb fuckers misspelled it. ---
**Author:** ![Nadir](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/nadir/32/7302_2.png) [@Nadir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nadir)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2011, 9:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/more-muslim-marvelousnous/570243/1126 "2011-02-17T21:47:23Z")
And that was back in the days when they didn’t even have good computers to keep track of the stuff, huh? :smack: ---
**Author:** ![Shot\_From\_Guns](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ccd318/32.png) [@Shot\_From\_Guns](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shot_From_Guns)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2011, 9:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/more-muslim-marvelousnous/570243/1127 "2011-02-17T21:58:24Z")
> [@magellan01](#): > > Thanks for proving that you don’t read very well. Or process information maybe not at all. There are only 6 or 7 million Muslims in the U.S., in a population of over 300 million. Oh, sorry. A retarded bigot \*and \*a bully. > [@TravisFromOR](#): > > Good point. We need an easy way to identify them on the street. Maybe we could, I dunno, sort of concentrate them all in one area? ---
**Author:** ![Tom\_Scud](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/f08c70/32.png) [@Tom\_Scud](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tom_Scud)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2011, 10:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/more-muslim-marvelousnous/570243/1128 "2011-02-17T22:02:33Z")
> [@Shot\_From\_Guns](#): > > Maybe we could, I dunno, sort of concentrate them all in one area? It would be just like summer camp! ---
**Author:** ![villa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/bc79bd/32.png) [@villa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/villa)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2011, 10:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/more-muslim-marvelousnous/570243/1129 "2011-02-17T22:09:03Z")
> [@Monty](#): > > I really have no idea why I made that assumption, **villa**. His latest gem really digs the hole deeper, though, doesn’t it? I am finding it hard to have any sympathy for you in the face of such wilful foolishness. > [@Monty](#): > > That whole Constitutional rights thing is a completey foreign concept to you, isn’t it, magellan? Of course, if you want to register firearms, that is a huge no no. Registering people’s religion, on the other hand, well, there’s no history of that turning out bad. ---
**Author:** ![Shot\_From\_Guns](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ccd318/32.png) [@Shot\_From\_Guns](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shot_From_Guns)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2011, 10:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/more-muslim-marvelousnous/570243/1130 "2011-02-17T22:25:05Z")
I hear that you can tell who’s a dangerous Muslim by making everyone step on a Korean before getting on a plane. ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2011, 10:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/more-muslim-marvelousnous/570243/1131 "2011-02-17T22:27:51Z")
I note there are two things in this thread that have our board’s liberal posters have been avoiding in droves. One is the question of why the left can routinely make all-inclusive broad-brush condemnations of conservatives, Republicans, Christians and Tea Partiers, while simultaneously insisting that we hold only individual miscreants to blame for the many and wide spread evils inflicted upon their fellow human beings by Muslims, both within and without their faith. And the second is the poll showing widespread support in much of the Muslim world for the barbaric practices which we are constantly told by liberals are only committed by “extremists.” Curious, that. ---
**Author:** ![Shot\_From\_Guns](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ccd318/32.png) [@Shot\_From\_Guns](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shot_From_Guns)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2011, 10:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/more-muslim-marvelousnous/570243/1132 "2011-02-17T22:30:35Z")
All of us (except the crazies) acknowledge that there are many good conservatives, many good Christians, and even these days some good Republicans left. There are \*no \*teabaggers who are not retarded, because their entire platform is based on lies and misinformation. ---
**Author:** ![Lobohan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobohan/32/79_2.png) [@Lobohan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobohan)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2011, 10:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/more-muslim-marvelousnous/570243/1133 "2011-02-17T22:33:32Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > One is the question of why the left can routinely make all-inclusive broad-brush condemnations of conservatives, Republicans, Christians and Tea Partiers… A key indicator of stupidity is not realizing that you’re committing the exact sin you’re arguing against. Just sayin’. ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2011, 10:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/more-muslim-marvelousnous/570243/1134 "2011-02-17T22:41:48Z")
> [@Miller](#): > > See, I never did any of that stuff to you. Like you said, I used to stand up for you. And what did I get for my troubles? You start insulting me, because I have different politics than you. Not because of anything I’ve done - but because some other guy who marks ballots the same way I do was mean to you. > > Seriously, how do you defend that? How can you possibly look at that situation, and think, “Yeah, that’s justified?” If you can point to instances where I’ve insulted you without provocation, I will most certainly apologize. Believe it or not I have a fair amount of regard for your intelligence, your general posting style, and for you as a person. I honestly can’t think of a single time when I’ve said anything critical of you because of something someone else said. ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2011, 10:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/more-muslim-marvelousnous/570243/1135 "2011-02-17T22:51:46Z")
> [@Lobohan](#): > > A key indicator of stupidity is not realizing that you’re committing the exact sin you’re arguing against. > > Just sayin’. Well, what I’m “just sayin’” is what’s good for the goose is good for the gander. You can’t very well make broad brush characterizations of conservatives and Republicans and Tea Partiers while simultaneously insisting that conservatives not make broad brush condemnations of Muslims. In other words, a key indicator of stupidity is not realizing that you’re being a hypocrit. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Kimstu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ecd19e/32.png) [@Kimstu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kimstu)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2011, 10:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/more-muslim-marvelousnous/570243/1136 "2011-02-17T22:52:19Z")
> [@magellan01](#): > > And yes, this latest story, when combined with countless other incidents, does point a finger at Islam. Why, because that is the set which contains the dangerous animals we refer to as radical Islamists. […] > > Given that this is Pit and I have already explained that my OP was primarily a rant, why would you ignore the man, many other times when I’ve said that Islam by itself is not the problem and pointed specifically to radical Islam? […] > > So, thanks for your selective reading and your push back on shining a spotlight on Islam. Radical Islamists might give you an award. Congratulations. Ai yi yi, **magellan01** , I’ve been busting my butt here trying to establish the common ground for non-bigoted opponents of radical Islam, and you’re pulling it all apart again. Look what you did in this very post to conflate “Islam” and “radical Islamism”. In one breath you say “Islam by itself is not the problem”, and in the next (or previous) breath you talk about “shining a spotlight on Islam” or “pointing a finger at Islam”. _ **If you mean that Islam by itself is not the problem, then don’t use “Islam” by itself with no qualifiers when you’re talking about what IS the problem.** _ If you mean to criticize and condemn radical extremist forms of Islam (which I think is a perfectly valid thing to do), then use that terminology **consistently**. For Og’s sake, _stop switching back and forth between the terms “Islam” and “radical Islam” as though they mean the same thing._ That is precisely what’s giving the continued impression here that you’re spewing bigotry against Islam **in general** , not just presenting a totally justifiable rant against radical Islamists. ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2011, 10:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/more-muslim-marvelousnous/570243/1137 "2011-02-17T22:56:56Z")
> [@TravisFromOR](#): > > … We need an easy way to identify them on the street. Well, we could make them wear some kind of an identifying badge or armband . . . there’s already a [color code system](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazi_concentration_camp_badges) we could adopt. Just needs a little tweaking! Oh, and when we actually catch a terrorist, or some one has accused of being a terrorist (and really who would accuse someone of that if they weren’t actually guilty), they could get a tattoo too! Just my modest proposal. CMC fnord! Strange how familiar that “Very easy.” link felt . . . of yeah, maybe because of [this](http://www.google.com/images?um=1&hl=en&newwindow=1&safe=off&tbs=isch:1&&sa=X&ei=DaZdTcEqwv3wBvb12dgK&ved=0CDIQBSgA&q=Nazi+anti+semitic+caricatures&spell=1&biw=800&bih=434). ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2011, 11:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/more-muslim-marvelousnous/570243/1138 "2011-02-17T23:01:54Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > Well, what I’m “just sayin’” is what’s good for the goose is good for the gander. You can’t very well make broad brush characterizations of conservatives and Republicans and Tea Partiers while simultaneously insisting that conservatives not make broad brush condemnations of Muslims. > > In other words, a key indicator of stupidity is not realizing that you’re being a hypocrit. 😃 Now? Now, will you guys listen? Cognitive dissonance, the number one threat to the Republic! If you will all join the Mother’s March Against…hey, quit shoving! That’s really uncool, stop tha… ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2011, 11:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/more-muslim-marvelousnous/570243/1139 "2011-02-17T23:05:49Z")
> [@Shot From Guns](#): > > All of us (except the crazies) acknowledge that there are many good conservatives, many good Christians, and even these days some good Republicans left. There are no teabaggers who are not retarded, because their entire platform is based on lies and misinformation. Well, blow me! Wait, what? Oh, I mean blow me down! You could have knocked me over with a feather with this remark. Certainly acknowledgements of good conservatives and good Christians are in exceedingly short supply from the liberal contingent, both around here and in the overall national dialog. Or at least not on the part of those who have a voice. ---
**Author:** ![Lobohan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobohan/32/79_2.png) [@Lobohan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobohan)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2011, 11:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/more-muslim-marvelousnous/570243/1140 "2011-02-17T23:09:22Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > Well, blow me! > > Wait, what? > > Oh, I mean blow me down! You could have knocked me over with a feather with this remark. Certainly acknowledgements of good conservatives and good Christians are in exceedingly short supply from the liberal contingent, both around here and in the overall national dialog. Or at least not on the part of those who have a voice. I’m sure there are good conservatives. They just aren’t the ones in charge. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/more-muslim-marvelousnous/570243.md?page=56) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/more-muslim-marvelousnous/570243.md?page=58)