# More NC Elections Shenanigans **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [June 17, 2018, 1:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/more-nc-elections-shenanigans/816256 "2018-06-17T13:28:16Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 12
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2019, 3:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/more-nc-elections-shenanigans/816256/221 "2019-02-22T03:27:37Z")
> [@romansperson](#): > > …Others won’t find throwing family members under the bus particularly attractive… Only their own, or are they available for hire? ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2019, 11:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/more-nc-elections-shenanigans/816256/222 "2019-02-22T11:12:23Z")
> [@romansperson](#): > > Yeah, I just heard on the local news that there will likely be a new primary. > > Harris is now claiming he’s experienced two strokes that have affected his decision-making abilities. Hm. Yeah, and can even cause one to misspeak under oath. Boy howdy, that sounds \*almost \*illegal. Talk about a close one! Whew. [https://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/politics/ct-north-carolina-us-house-race-voter-fraud-20190221-story.html](https://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/politics/ct-north-carolina-us-house-race-voter-fraud-20190221-story.html) ---
**Author:** ![RTFirefly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c77e96/32.png) [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2019, 12:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/more-nc-elections-shenanigans/816256/223 "2019-02-22T12:43:19Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > Only their own, or are they available for hire? You can hire them to fake throwing you under the bus. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![jasg](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/f0a364/32.png) [@jasg](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jasg)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2019, 12:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/more-nc-elections-shenanigans/816256/224 "2019-02-22T12:49:23Z")
> [@romansperson](#): > > Yeah, I just heard on the local news that there will likely be a new primary. > > Harris is now claiming he’s experienced two strokes that have affected his decision-making abilities. Hm. I wonder what effect this admission will have on his chances of election? ---
**Author:** ![RTFirefly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c77e96/32.png) [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2019, 12:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/more-nc-elections-shenanigans/816256/225 "2019-02-22T12:50:52Z")
> [@romansperson](#): > > Harris is now claiming he’s experienced two strokes that have affected his decision-making abilities. Hm. Then it’s a **really** good thing he isn’t in Congress! 😃 Not that I believe him, of course. ETA: But if one believes him, then one would have to believe he shouldn’t run in the special election/do-over, whatever it’s called. ---
**Author:** ![wguy123](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wguy123/32/3161_2.png) [@wguy123](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wguy123)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2019, 4:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/more-nc-elections-shenanigans/816256/226 "2019-02-22T16:36:21Z")
> [@Dewey\_Finn](#): > > This really pisses me off. Republicans spent years passing voter ID laws, on the theory that they were necessary to end a phantom wave of voting by illegal aliens. They reduced the number of early voting locations and days and same-day registration. In 2016, North Carolina restricted voting in ways that were targeted at reducing voting by African-Americans. (These restrictions in North Carolina were overturned by the courts.) > > And now we find that perhaps the biggest voting fraud was being conducted to benefit a Republican candidate from North Carolina. Shocking that the party screaming about voter fraud is the one that is actually committing it! :rolleyes: Republicans are horrible. ---
**Author:** ![Balance](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/ccd318/32.png) [@Balance](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Balance)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2019, 8:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/more-nc-elections-shenanigans/816256/227 "2019-02-22T20:15:39Z")
> [@Jonathan\_Chance](#): > > Yow, gonna be a tense Thanksgiving next year at the Harris place. Perhaps, if we are fortunate, a kindly court will defuse that tension by arranging for the elder Harris to be elsewhere. ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2019, 11:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/more-nc-elections-shenanigans/816256/228 "2019-02-22T23:15:53Z")
So, [this is big.](https://www.newsobserver.com/news/politics-government/article226652589.html?fbclid=IwAR0bHiNS4tNz98LpmXG-wArxRLnuZfPliwgcL8Nd_EEIyFRXeY3tSsyUKEM) > [@News and Observer](#): > > A judge has just thrown out two amendments to the North Carolina Constitution that voters approved in November. > > One of the amendments was to implement a voter ID requirement, and the other was a cap on the state income tax rate. But his rationale is bigger: > [@Wake County Superior Court Judge G. Bryan Collins](#): > > An illegally constituted General Assembly does not represent the people of North Carolina and is therefore not empowered to pass legislation that would amend the state’s constitution. Basically, our gerrymandering is so jacked that our entire legislature is illegitimate. Has this happened in any state legislature since the end of the Civil War? This seems HUGE to me. I honestly don’t expect it to stand, but I really hope it does. ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2019, 11:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/more-nc-elections-shenanigans/816256/229 "2019-02-22T23:39:55Z")
Harris’s son is a federal prosecutor. But Dad just thought he was exaggerating. ---
**Author:** ![romansperson](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/romansperson/32/17100_2.png) [@romansperson](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/romansperson)\ **Post date:** [February 23, 2019, 2:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/more-nc-elections-shenanigans/816256/230 "2019-02-23T02:55:21Z")
> [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](#): > > So, [this is big.](https://www.newsobserver.com/news/politics-government/article226652589.html?fbclid=IwAR0bHiNS4tNz98LpmXG-wArxRLnuZfPliwgcL8Nd_EEIyFRXeY3tSsyUKEM) > > > [@](#): > > > > Originally Posted by Wake County Superior Court Judge G. Bryan Collins > > An illegally constituted General Assembly does not represent the people of North Carolina and is therefore not empowered to pass legislation that would amend the state’s constitution. > > But his rationale is bigger: > > > [@](#): > > > > Originally Posted by Wake County Superior Court Judge G. Bryan Collins > > An illegally constituted General Assembly does not represent the people of North Carolina and is therefore not empowered to pass legislation that would amend the state’s constitution. > > Basically, our gerrymandering is so jacked that our entire legislature is illegitimate. > > Has this happened in any state legislature since the end of the Civil War? > > This seems HUGE to me. I honestly don’t expect it to stand, but I really hope it does. Yowza! ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [February 23, 2019, 3:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/more-nc-elections-shenanigans/816256/231 "2019-02-23T03:10:10Z")
I have heard it argued that if gerrymandering is legal, then the legislature is legal, and their legislation is legit. Hence, they are legally entitled to pass laws to screw their political opposition. It is a voice noticeably absent in this discussion. (Completely irrelevant aside: I speak of **Bricker** , of course, who appears not to have posted since November last. I hope he is well, and if anyone knows, I hope they will tell us.) ---
**Author:** ![Dewey\_Finn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dewey_finn/32/4222_2.png) [@Dewey\_Finn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dewey_Finn)\ **Post date:** [February 23, 2019, 3:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/more-nc-elections-shenanigans/816256/232 "2019-02-23T03:23:17Z")
> [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](#): > > So, [this is big.](https://www.newsobserver.com/news/politics-government/article226652589.html?fbclid=IwAR0bHiNS4tNz98LpmXG-wArxRLnuZfPliwgcL8Nd_EEIyFRXeY3tSsyUKEM) Obviously, this is going to be appealed. What I’m wondering is whether this is a matter for the federal Supreme Court, or is the state Supreme Court the ultimate authority? ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [February 23, 2019, 1:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/more-nc-elections-shenanigans/816256/233 "2019-02-23T13:26:32Z")
> [@Dewey\_Finn](#): > > Obviously, this is going to be appealed. What I’m wondering is whether this is a matter for the federal Supreme Court, or is the state Supreme Court the ultimate authority? That’s a REALLY interesting question. I’d been assuming it’d get overturned at the federal level, but for all I know it’s purely a state issue. And if so, our state supreme court is **not** happy with the legislature. ---
**Author:** ![Irishman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/b487fb/32.png) [@Irishman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Irishman)\ **Post date:** [February 23, 2019, 3:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/more-nc-elections-shenanigans/816256/234 "2019-02-23T15:18:08Z")
> [@wguy123](#): > > Shocking that the party screaming about voter fraud is the one that is actually committing it! That’s how they _know_ voter fraud is rampant. ---
**Author:** ![crucible](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/5f8ce5/32.png) [@crucible](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crucible)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2019, 5:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/more-nc-elections-shenanigans/816256/235 "2019-02-24T05:16:49Z")
something I haven’t heard the answer to in the NC news…“Will a new election be held for every position on the original ballot, or just for US Rep?. Testimony included statements that the absentee ballot collectors filled in blanks for Republicans if the ballot owner had skipped races. I suppose each county had their own races for country offices on the same ballot as the US Rep race…so…which races are being rerun?”\ ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2019, 11:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/more-nc-elections-shenanigans/816256/236 "2019-02-24T11:54:33Z")
> [@crucible](#): > > something I haven’t heard the answer to in the NC news…“Will a new election be held for every position on the original ballot, or just for US Rep?. Testimony included statements that the absentee ballot collectors filled in blanks for Republicans if the ballot owner had skipped races. I suppose each county had their own races for country offices on the same ballot as the US Rep race…so…which races are being rerun?”\ I’m pretty sure it’s just for the rep race. Everything else, I think, got certified. ---
**Author:** ![Bijou\_Drains](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bijou_drains/32/2814_2.png) [@Bijou\_Drains](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bijou_Drains)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2019, 8:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/more-nc-elections-shenanigans/816256/237 "2019-02-26T20:19:06Z")
as expected Harris is not running again , he endorsed another guy [https://www.newsobserver.com/news/politics-government/article226814399.html](https://www.newsobserver.com/news/politics-government/article226814399.html) ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2019, 8:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/more-nc-elections-shenanigans/816256/238 "2019-02-26T20:31:27Z")
Quote from the tweaker he endorsed: > [@Rushing](#): > > Dan McCready and his establishment friends just threw ALL of our ballots in the Trash! What are We Going to Do About IT? …right. Because Harris hired a convicted felon who committed mass voter fraud, McCready is at fault. This guy sounds like a winner. But not as much of a winner as [Mitch fuckin McConnell](https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2019/02/26/mitch-mcconnell-has-found-real-culprit-north-carolinas-fraud-riddled-election-democrats/?hpid=hp_hp-top-table-main_bump-mcconnell-3pm%3Ahomepage%2Fstory-ans): > [@Mitch Fuckin McConnell](#): > > Anyone who’s been attentive to the news these past few days has learned about the complete debacle that unfolded in last November’s election for North Carolina’s 9th Congressional District . . . Soon after Election Day, allegations of illegal ballot harvesting and vote tampering clouded a close result. . . . > > for years and years, every Republican who dared to call for common-sense safeguards for Americans’ ballots was demonized by Democrats and their allies. We were hit with left-wing talking points insisting that voter fraud wasn’t real. Never happens, they said. That fraud just didn’t happen. That modest efforts to ensure that voters are who they say they are and are voting in a proper place were really some sinister right-wing plot to prevent people from voting. > … > So now as you might expect, now that an incident of very real voter fraud has become national news and the Republican candidate seems — seems — to have benefited, these long-standing Democratic talking points have been really quiet. Haven’t heard much lately from Democrats about how fraud never happens. They’ve gone silent. > … > So now as you might expect, now that an incident of very real voter fraud has become national news and the Republican candidate seems — seems — to have benefited, these long-standing Democratic talking points have been really quiet. Haven’t heard much lately from Democrats about how fraud never happens. They’ve gone silent. FUUUCK THAT DUUUUDE ---
**Author:** ![Bijou\_Drains](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bijou_drains/32/2814_2.png) [@Bijou\_Drains](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bijou_Drains)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2019, 8:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/more-nc-elections-shenanigans/816256/239 "2019-02-26T20:38:00Z")
amazing how people can have their group commit fraud and then blame it on the other side. this is an example of DARVO - deny, attack ,reverse victim and offender. [What is DARVO?](https://dynamic.uoregon.edu/jjf/defineDARVO.html) ---
**Author:** ![Dewey\_Finn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dewey_finn/32/4222_2.png) [@Dewey\_Finn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dewey_Finn)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2019, 8:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/more-nc-elections-shenanigans/816256/240 "2019-02-26T20:42:28Z")
The quote from Mitch McConnell is hilarious. It’s almost as if he’s saying; we know there’s voter fraud going on, because we’re doing it. And if we are, so are they. And by the way, the kinds of obstructions the Republicans are proposing (requiring voters to show ID when voting in person and reducing the number of days when polling places are open for advance voting) would have done nothing to prevent election fraud that involved cheating on mail-in ballots. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/more-nc-elections-shenanigans/816256.md?page=11) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/more-nc-elections-shenanigans/816256.md?page=13)