# More Proof Birthers are Morons! **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [July 4, 2011, 4:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/more-proof-birthers-are-morons/587781 "2011-07-04T04:04:38Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [July 4, 2011, 4:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/more-proof-birthers-are-morons/587781/1 "2011-07-04T04:04:38Z")
[From Military.com comes this gem](http://www.military.com/news/article/birther-doc-wants-some-benefits.html?ESRC=navy-a.nl): > [@](#): > > After serving a prison sentence for disobeying deployment orders on the grounds that President Obama’s standing as commander-in-chief was invalid because he couldn’t prove his citizenship, Army Lt. Col. Terry Lakin is hoping to retain some of the retirement benefits he lost by falling a couple of years short of the 20-year milestone. More at the link. The best part, though, is this bit: > [@](#): > > But the appeals attorney has some issues he wants to bring up. I can’t imagine what issues could be brought up, unless, of course, they’re asking the judges to reverse reality. Mind you, Birthers aren’t exactly known for their grasp of that particular concept so maybe that’s it. I’m glad that idiot got booted. I’m glad he got sent to prison. And as a veteran and military retiree myself, I’m glad he’s not going to get the same benefits I’ve earned by–get this–not being an utter moron like Lakin. Too bad he can’t be sent back to prison for this latest stupidity. ---
**Author:** ![D\_Odds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/d_odds/32/2882_2.png) [@D\_Odds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/D_Odds)\ **Post date:** [July 4, 2011, 4:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/more-proof-birthers-are-morons/587781/2 "2011-07-04T04:16:12Z")
Actually, I think you missed the best part: > [@](#): > > “Maybe the ‘natural born citizen’ definition needs to be defined,” he said. or this: > [@](#): > > “I think there are a lot of good military troops incarcerated now and they’re the forgotten heroes, too,” he said. For those not reading the article, note that he is talking about service members convicted under the Uniform Code of Military Justice (UCMJ). I’d really like to know what his definition of hero is. And while he screwed his family royally, I’d be damned (in an atheistic way) if I’d give so much as a spare penny if it might go to helping his appeals process. ---
**Author:** ![monstro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ba9def/32.png) [@monstro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/monstro)\ **Post date:** [July 4, 2011, 1:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/more-proof-birthers-are-morons/587781/3 "2011-07-04T13:14:35Z")
Why isn’t he out creating jobs instead of begging for hand-outs from the government? [conservative]We all make choices.[/conservative] He decided to take a stand and not serve under the EvilObama. I’m sure he went home and got a lot of back-slaps and hand-shakes for that. So he needs to take the bad that comes with that decision too. Which means, “NO RETIREMENT MONEY FOR YOU, BUCKO!” ---
**Author:** ![Baal\_Houtham](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/baal_houtham/32/13604_2.png) [@Baal\_Houtham](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Baal_Houtham)\ **Post date:** [July 4, 2011, 5:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/more-proof-birthers-are-morons/587781/4 "2011-07-04T17:26:33Z")
More info for people not wanting to click: The Lt. Colonel is also an M.D., was pulling down $90,000 a year in army bucks. After 20 years he’d be eligible for half his salary in retirement money. The articles says he was a “couple” years short. In prison, his choice of reading matter was by born-again Watergate asshole, Chuck Colson. It seems his commanding officer strongly counseled him against taking the stand again the usurper in the White House. Presently he’s back in the military during the appeal, but not getting paid, and (according to the reader comments) not building additional service time toward retirement. So, yeah, sounds like a resolute idiot. ---
**Author:** ![monstro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ba9def/32.png) [@monstro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/monstro)\ **Post date:** [July 4, 2011, 5:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/more-proof-birthers-are-morons/587781/5 "2011-07-04T17:38:46Z")
If I were just a few years away from receiving a pension, I wouldn’t let the fact that the president wasn’t a natural-born citizen destroy my chances of having a decent retirement. Devil horns and forked tongue, yeah. But a manufactured dispute over a birth certificate? Yeah, the guy saw an opportunity to make himself the Tea Party/Birther Martyr and now it’s back-firing on him. Boo hoo. Yeah, he’s a jerkwad and I hope he had a ton of fun in prison. ---
**Author:** ![joebuck20](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/74df32/32.png) [@joebuck20](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/joebuck20)\ **Post date:** [July 4, 2011, 6:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/more-proof-birthers-are-morons/587781/6 "2011-07-04T18:45:17Z")
(Nelson Muntz laugh) HA-HA ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [July 4, 2011, 7:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/more-proof-birthers-are-morons/587781/7 "2011-07-04T19:10:38Z")
He’s on what the military calls “bad time” now, meaning that it’s not credited for pay, retirement, or any obligated service. On the off chance (akin to Hell freezing over) that he wins the appeal as in having the conviction tossed, then that time is retroactively credited as “good time.” Well, this idiot had a good ol’ time doing something incredibly stupid and now he’s paying for it. He’s a Birther. To me, that means he’s just a bigot as that’s the one and only thing driving that stupid WONJCT. Again, I’m glad he’s not going to get military retirement. ---
**Author:** ![Lynn\_Bodoni](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/e47c2d/32.png) [@Lynn\_Bodoni](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lynn_Bodoni)\ **Post date:** [July 4, 2011, 7:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/more-proof-birthers-are-morons/587781/8 "2011-07-04T19:34:20Z")
> [@](#): > > The Lt. Colonel is also an M.D., You know, this is scary. I KNOW that MDs are not necessarily perfect, but I prefer any doc that I go to to be at least somewhat sane. ---
**Author:** ![Cat\_Whisperer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cat_whisperer/32/4839_2.png) [@Cat\_Whisperer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cat_Whisperer)\ **Post date:** [July 4, 2011, 8:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/more-proof-birthers-are-morons/587781/9 "2011-07-04T20:57:50Z")
> [@joebuck20](#): > > (Nelson Muntz laugh) > > HA-HA You took the words right out of my mouth. ---
**Author:** ![FatBaldGuy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/ecd19e/32.png) [@FatBaldGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FatBaldGuy)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2011, 2:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/more-proof-birthers-are-morons/587781/10 "2011-07-06T02:53:30Z")
I had to read the thread title 3 times before I realized it didn’t say “More Proof Birthers are Mormons”. Then I really did a double take when I saw that **Monty** was the OP. [Emily Litella]Never mind.[/Emily Litella] ---
**Author:** ![Simplicio](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/c37758/32.png) [@Simplicio](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Simplicio)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2011, 2:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/more-proof-birthers-are-morons/587781/11 "2011-07-06T02:57:05Z")
> [@Lynn\_Bodoni](#): > > You know, this is scary. I KNOW that MDs are not necessarily perfect, but I prefer any doc that I go to to be at least somewhat sane. I’d feel a little safer if I knew our Lt. Colonels were somewhat sane as well. I guess to some extent he’s doing the nation a service by revealing his nuttiness before he got put in charge of something important. ---
**Author:** ![Qadgop\_the\_Mercotan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/qadgop_the_mercotan/32/83_2.png) [@Qadgop\_the\_Mercotan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Qadgop_the_Mercotan)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2011, 1:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/more-proof-birthers-are-morons/587781/12 "2011-07-06T13:23:30Z")
> [@Lynn\_Bodoni](#): > > I KNOW that MDs are not necessarily perfect, but I prefer any doc that I go to to be at least somewhat sane. Oh man, if you knew what I know… Getting accepted into a medical school is not an automatic certification that the applicant is _okay_, despite the fervent wishes of many applicants for such an assurance. ---
**Author:** ![Anaamika](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/5f9b8f/32.png) [@Anaamika](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Anaamika)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2011, 1:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/more-proof-birthers-are-morons/587781/13 "2011-07-06T13:34:09Z")
What a dick. ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2011, 2:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/more-proof-birthers-are-morons/587781/14 "2011-07-06T14:45:47Z")
Poor fellow. It will be a tough life for him now, with nothing but his $100,000-plus private sector income to support his family with. ---
**Author:** ![Inigo\_Montoya](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/inigo_montoya/32/124_2.png) [@Inigo\_Montoya](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Inigo_Montoya)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2011, 4:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/more-proof-birthers-are-morons/587781/15 "2011-07-06T16:12:19Z")
> [@joebuck20](#): > > (Nelson Muntz laugh) > > HA-HA So much said in such a simple phrase. Nicely done. ---
**Author:** ![kayaker](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kayaker/32/441_2.png) [@kayaker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kayaker)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2011, 4:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/more-proof-birthers-are-morons/587781/16 "2011-07-06T16:26:36Z")
> [@Qadgop\_the\_Mercotan](#): > > Oh man, if you knew what I know… > > Getting accepted into a medical school is not an automatic certification that the applicant is _okay_, despite the fervent wishes of many applicants for such an assurance. What’s that term for the person who graduates dead last in his class in medical school? Oh yeah, Doctor.😃 ---
**Author:** ![Lynn\_Bodoni](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/e47c2d/32.png) [@Lynn\_Bodoni](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lynn_Bodoni)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2011, 4:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/more-proof-birthers-are-morons/587781/17 "2011-07-06T16:28:21Z")
> [@Qadgop\_the\_Mercotan](#): > > Oh man, if you knew what I know… > > Getting accepted into a medical school is not an automatic certification that the applicant is _okay_, despite the fervent wishes of many applicants for such an assurance. Hey, one of my nephews is an MD now. So yeah, I know. I just prefer to think otherwise about the docs that I go to. If I suspect that one of my docs has a heaping helping of The Crazy, I find another one. ---
**Author:** ![Qadgop\_the\_Mercotan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/qadgop_the_mercotan/32/83_2.png) [@Qadgop\_the\_Mercotan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Qadgop_the_Mercotan)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2011, 4:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/more-proof-birthers-are-morons/587781/18 "2011-07-06T16:54:55Z")
> [@kayaker](#): > > What’s that term for the person who graduates dead last in his class in medical school? Oh yeah, Doctor.😃 You know, most of those folks who graduate last make pretty decent docs and pretty decent people. No, it’s generally not the ones at the bottom of the class you need to worry about. The ones that scare me the most are the ones who fought to be at the very _top_. ---
**Author:** ![mlees](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ba8739/32.png) [@mlees](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mlees)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2011, 5:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/more-proof-birthers-are-morons/587781/19 "2011-07-06T17:18:33Z")
> [@Monty](#): > > To me, that means he’s just a bigot as that’s the one and only thing driving that stupid WONJCT. Again, I’m glad he’s not going to get military retirement. What’s WONJCT? Edit: Whacked Out Nut Job Conspiracy Theorist? ---
**Author:** ![JoelUpchurch](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/f05b48/32.png) [@JoelUpchurch](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JoelUpchurch)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2011, 6:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/more-proof-birthers-are-morons/587781/20 "2011-07-06T18:26:53Z")
> [@D\_Odds](#): > > Actually, I think you missed the best part:or this: > > > [@](#): > > > > “Maybe the ‘natural born citizen’ definition needs to be defined,” he said. What is absurd about that? The Supreme Court has never ruled on this point. [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natural\_born\_citizen\_clause\_of\_the\_U.S.\_Constitution](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natural_born_citizen_clause_of_the_U.S._Constitution) At the very least they should rule that the children of American Citizens born abroad are “natural born” or better yet we could amend the constitution to allow naturalized citizens to serve as President. When this whole discussion came up in 2008, I checked and established that Obama’s mother was an America citizen when he was born. At that point I lost interest in where he was born, since I considered him a “natural born citizen” jus sanguinis. The trouble is that the Supreme Court have never said that or anything else. [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/more-proof-birthers-are-morons/587781.md?page=2)