# More religious glurge from Mom **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [April 6, 2004, 4:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/more-religious-glurge-from-mom/238574 "2004-04-06T16:33:38Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 8\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![vivalostwages](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/d07c76/32.png) [@vivalostwages](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/vivalostwages)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2004, 12:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/more-religious-glurge-from-mom/238574/61 "2004-04-12T00:04:33Z")
Is there an official word for anti-glurge? Glartch, perhaps? ---
**Author:** ![clairobscur](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/839c29/32.png) [@clairobscur](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/clairobscur)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2004, 3:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/more-religious-glurge-from-mom/238574/62 "2004-04-12T03:21:06Z")
> [@Sublight](#): > > I’ve wondered about that myself. I think it was Borges who mused that while Jesus only lost his life (and that only temporarily) Judas gave up his soul (or at least, had his soul condemned to eternal torment in hell). Therefore, it’s actually Judas who made the ultimate sacrifice for our sins, since without his betrayal, Jesus never would have died on the cross. Definitely. Since “wednesday school”, I always hated the role given to Judas, and my 8 y.o. self was revolted by his blatantly unjust fate. Though the priest told me that he didn’t end up in hell for betraying Jesus but for commiting suicide, it just reeked of injustice. He _had_ to do so. Why on earth should he die and even worst (be sent to hell) for doing what he was expected to do? Someone _had_ to do it, right? Judas has been a kind of hero to me. On the other hand, I hated Peter for denying having been with Jesus. Talk about a spineless guy! ---
**Author:** ![clairobscur](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/839c29/32.png) [@clairobscur](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/clairobscur)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2004, 3:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/more-religious-glurge-from-mom/238574/63 "2004-04-12T03:29:50Z")
> [@SimonX](#): > > [The Ones Who Walk Away from Omelas](http://www-rohan.sdsu.edu/faculty/dunnweb/rprnts.omelas.html) > Ursula Le Guin Great, poignant story!!! ---
**Author:** ![DocCathode](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/doccathode/32/18773_2.png) [@DocCathode](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DocCathode)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2004, 3:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/more-religious-glurge-from-mom/238574/64 "2004-04-12T03:52:11Z")
RE The Ones Who Walk Aw tay From Omelas If you enjoyed this story, you may want to follow the things that led Le Guinn to write it- forget Dostoyevsky and read road signs backwards. RE Judas Sucide I thought that there were conflicting accounts on this. ---
**Author:** ![KJ](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/b2d939/32.png) [@KJ](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/KJ)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2004, 4:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/more-religious-glurge-from-mom/238574/65 "2004-04-12T04:06:01Z")
This reminds me of [similar](http://www.snopes.com/glurge/choice.asp) [stories](http://www.snopes.com/glurge/drawbrid.htm) from [Snopes.com](http://Snopes.com)… ---
**Author:** ![Sublight](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/439d5e/32.png) [@Sublight](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sublight)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2004, 4:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/more-religious-glurge-from-mom/238574/66 "2004-04-12T04:14:35Z")
> [@clairobscur](#): > > Definitely. Since “wednesday school”, I always hated the role given to Judas, and my 8 y.o. self was revolted by his blatantly unjust fate. Though the priest told me that he didn’t end up in hell for betraying Jesus but for commiting suicide, it just reeked of injustice. He _had_ to do so. Why on earth should he die and even worst (be sent to hell) for doing what he was expected to do? Someone _had_ to do it, right? > Judas has been a kind of hero to me. On the other hand, I hated Peter for denying having been with Jesus. Talk about a spineless guy! I don’t know if this is true or not, but an anecdote I once heard was that when the first missionaries to Japan were explaining Christianity to the local samurai, their reaction was that while Judas and Peter had both betrayed their master, Judas did the honorable thing by committing suicide, but Peter was nothing but a coward. ---
**Author:** ![Thingol](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/5f9b8f/32.png) [@Thingol](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Thingol)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2004, 4:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/more-religious-glurge-from-mom/238574/67 "2004-04-12T04:20:15Z")
> [@Morgyn](#): > > I’m thinking I need to start sending her humanist/atheist/agnostic glurge. Anyone have links to stuff like that? Start bombarding her with Church of the Subgenius material. She’ll pull a John Nash trying to figure it all out. ---
**Author:** ![Revtim](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/revtim/32/1042_2.png) [@Revtim](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Revtim)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2004, 6:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/more-religious-glurge-from-mom/238574/68 "2004-04-12T18:07:28Z")
> [@DocCathode](#): > > RE Judas Sucide > I thought that there were conflicting accounts on this. Yes, that’s one of the more blatant contradictions in the bible. Matthew 27 5 And he cast down the pieces of silver in the temple, and departed, and went and hanged himself. Acts 1 18 Now this man purchased a field with the reward of iniquity; and falling headlong, he burst asunder in the midst, and all his bowels gushed out. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/more-religious-glurge-from-mom/238574.md?page=3)