# More SDMB memes you're sick of **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [May 4, 2007, 6:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/more-sdmb-memes-youre-sick-of/402779 "2007-05-04T18:15:05Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![LonesomePolecat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/a88e57/32.png) [@LonesomePolecat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LonesomePolecat)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2007, 6:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/more-sdmb-memes-youre-sick-of/402779/81 "2007-05-05T18:23:22Z")
[QUOTE=Czarcasm] Let’s test this theory right now. What empirical evidence do you have? [/QUOTE] To hell with that. Atheism is no less metaphysical than theism. All you sophistry will not change that. ---
**Author:** ![LonesomePolecat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/a88e57/32.png) [@LonesomePolecat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LonesomePolecat)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2007, 6:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/more-sdmb-memes-youre-sick-of/402779/82 "2007-05-05T18:24:37Z")
[QUOTE=Czarcasm] By your definition, you are unreasonable if you disbelieve in _anything_. BTW, I disbelieve in the tooth fairy-what would you call this “religion”? [/QUOTE] How the hell did you get that out of anything that I’ve ever said? Quit attacking straw men. ---
**Author:** ![Charlie\_Tan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/charlie_tan/32/12582_2.png) [@Charlie\_Tan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Charlie_Tan)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2007, 6:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/more-sdmb-memes-youre-sick-of/402779/83 "2007-05-05T18:26:39Z")
[QUOTE=LonesomePolecat] Nonsense. Atheism is a philosophical stance for which empirical evidence is impossible. [/QUOTE] Are we going to do this _again_? :sigh: There is no empirical evidence for love, justice, fear, anger, hate, wisdom, or any other of a myriad intangible things. Just because you can’t meassure it, doesn’t mean it’s not there. Belief in God is real. That doesn’t mean God is real. You’re trying to twist that argument around, and that’s one meme I’m really tired of. What’s next - half an eye and the blind (or maybe half eyed) watchmaker? ---
**Author:** ![Subterraneanus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a183cd/32.png) [@Subterraneanus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Subterraneanus)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2007, 6:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/more-sdmb-memes-youre-sick-of/402779/84 "2007-05-05T18:29:19Z")
“Fighting ignorance” ---
**Author:** ![LonesomePolecat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/a88e57/32.png) [@LonesomePolecat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LonesomePolecat)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2007, 6:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/more-sdmb-memes-youre-sick-of/402779/85 "2007-05-05T18:30:11Z")
[QUOTE=Subterraneanus] “Fighting ignorance” [/QUOTE] No, you’re propagating it. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2007, 6:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/more-sdmb-memes-youre-sick-of/402779/86 "2007-05-05T18:32:20Z")
[QUOTE=LonesomePolecat] To hell with that. Atheism is no less metaphysical than theism. All you sophistry will not change that. [/QUOTE] So, you admit you have nothing to support your theory? ---
**Author:** ![LonesomePolecat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/a88e57/32.png) [@LonesomePolecat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LonesomePolecat)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2007, 6:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/more-sdmb-memes-youre-sick-of/402779/87 "2007-05-05T18:35:44Z")
[QUOTE=Charlie Tan] Are we going to do this _again_? :sigh: There is no empirical evidence for love, justice, fear, anger, hate, wisdom, or any other of a myriad intangible things. Just because you can’t meassure it, doesn’t mean it’s not there. Belief in God is real. That doesn’t mean God is real. You’re trying to twist that argument around, and that’s one meme I’m really tired of. What’s next - half an eye and the blind (or maybe half eyed) watchmaker? [/QUOTE] 'Scuse me, but where did I say I believe in God? My ideas on the subject would be closer to Buddhism and Hinduism than Judeo-Christian thought. I’m just woefully of this lame, half-witted argument that so many atheists seem to think is profoundly insightful or something. Free will is a question of metaphysics. It doesn’t matter whether you believe or disbelieve in free will, your answer to that question necessarily will involve metaphysical reasoning at some critical junction of your argument. Theism and atheism are likewise metaphysical doctrines; the difference is that many atheists aren’t honest enough to admit it. ---
**Author:** ![Subterraneanus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a183cd/32.png) [@Subterraneanus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Subterraneanus)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2007, 6:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/more-sdmb-memes-youre-sick-of/402779/88 "2007-05-05T18:36:48Z")
[QUOTE=LonesomePolecat] No, you’re propagating it. [/QUOTE] If so, you’re a star student. ---
**Author:** ![LonesomePolecat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/a88e57/32.png) [@LonesomePolecat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LonesomePolecat)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2007, 6:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/more-sdmb-memes-youre-sick-of/402779/89 "2007-05-05T18:37:42Z")
[QUOTE=Czarcasm] So, you admit you have nothing to support your theory? [/QUOTE] Careful with that straw man. It might be a fire hazard. ---
**Author:** ![LonesomePolecat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/a88e57/32.png) [@LonesomePolecat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LonesomePolecat)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2007, 6:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/more-sdmb-memes-youre-sick-of/402779/90 "2007-05-05T18:40:38Z")
[QUOTE=Subterraneanus] If so, you’re a star student. [/QUOTE] Asshole, I wised up and dropped out of the ignorance academy decades ago. Apparently you went on to get a doctorate, _magna cum laude_. ---
**Author:** ![Subterraneanus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a183cd/32.png) [@Subterraneanus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Subterraneanus)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2007, 6:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/more-sdmb-memes-youre-sick-of/402779/91 "2007-05-05T18:42:16Z")
[QUOTE=LonesomePolecat] Asshole, I wised up and dropped out of the ignorance academy decades ago. Apparently you went on to get a doctorate, _magna cum laude_. [/QUOTE] Oh no, Guy On Message Board is mad at me. Rarr. ---
**Author:** ![Nancarrow](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/c37758/32.png) [@Nancarrow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nancarrow)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2007, 6:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/more-sdmb-memes-youre-sick-of/402779/92 "2007-05-05T18:58:18Z")
[QUOTE=LonesomePolecat] All of it. He has substituted a vision of an earthly paradise for the hope of heaven. Unfortunately, it’s never going to happen. [/QUOTE] Never? NEVER? On what empirical basis do you say that? Gosh, such a confident declaration of what will never be, that sounds almost… religious. See now how meaningless it is to assert that any kind of belief whatsoever can be regarded as a religion? ---
**Author:** ![Yllaria](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/yllaria/32/3452_2.png) [@Yllaria](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Yllaria)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2007, 7:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/more-sdmb-memes-youre-sick-of/402779/93 "2007-05-05T19:02:28Z")
> [@](#): > > originally posted by Ludovic: > > I have no mind, and I must meme. That was sweet. ---
**Author:** ![Cartooniverse](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cartooniverse/32/3084_2.png) [@Cartooniverse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cartooniverse)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2007, 7:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/more-sdmb-memes-youre-sick-of/402779/94 "2007-05-05T19:03:28Z")
[QUOTE=Cervaise] Words that rhyme with “meme.” [/QUOTE] Mime rhymes with “rhyme”. Is that what you meant? 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Cervaise](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cervaise/32/16693_2.png) [@Cervaise](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cervaise)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2007, 7:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/more-sdmb-memes-youre-sick-of/402779/95 "2007-05-05T19:05:08Z")
[QUOTE=LonesomePolecat] To hell with that. [/QUOTE] No, no! To hell with _that._ Do I win? ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2007, 7:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/more-sdmb-memes-youre-sick-of/402779/96 "2007-05-05T19:09:43Z")
[QUOTE=LonesomePolecat] Careful with that straw man. It might be a fire hazard. [/QUOTE] Still nothing? Come on, at least take five minutes for a Google search. ---
**Author:** ![armedmonkey](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/d6d6ee/32.png) [@armedmonkey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/armedmonkey)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2007, 7:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/more-sdmb-memes-youre-sick-of/402779/97 "2007-05-05T19:12:55Z")
[QUOTE=David Simmons] The first time you use OISTABTI (Obscure Initial String To All But The Insiders), define it for us boobs. [/QUOTE] _::chuckle::_ Can you imagine some of the thread titles that would produce? "Attention former glasses wearers: “How much did your Light Amplification by the Stimulated emmision of radiation Epithelial Keratomileusis surgery cost?” ---
**Author:** ![Capt.Ridley\_s\_Shooting\_Party](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/cc9497/32.png) [@Capt.Ridley\_s\_Shooting\_Party](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Capt.Ridley_s_Shooting_Party)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2007, 7:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/more-sdmb-memes-youre-sick-of/402779/98 "2007-05-05T19:32:53Z")
I hate the overuse of the term _ad hominem_. The term has now seemingly become synonymous with _insult_ (not just here, but all over the Internet), which is ridiculous because a) we already have “insult” in the lexicon, a shorter, less prissy, English word, as opposed to a Latin phrase, and b) an _ad hominem_ is a very specific style of argument which is almost universally never picked up on in online debates despite all the accusations of _ad hominem_ flying around: “the research stating that passive smoking doesn’t cause cancer is obviously not true as the research was funded by tobacco companies”, “research stating that global warming is non-anthropogenic in origin is obviously bogus as it was funded by big oil” and “Labour’s figures for oil income in Scotland are skewed as they have a vested interest in keeping the union together” - all three of these **are** _ad hominems_! ---
**Author:** ![Charlie\_Tan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/charlie_tan/32/12582_2.png) [@Charlie\_Tan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Charlie_Tan)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2007, 7:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/more-sdmb-memes-youre-sick-of/402779/99 "2007-05-05T19:45:12Z")
[QUOTE=LonesomePolecat] 'Scuse me, but where did I say I believe in God? My ideas on the subject would be closer to Buddhism and Hinduism than Judeo-Christian thought. I’m just woefully of this lame, half-witted argument that so many atheists seem to think is profoundly insightful or something. [/QUOTE] You didn’t and I never claim you did. It’s just that when theists (of whatever faith) claims that not believing in something is a belief system, they’re jumping through so many philosophy 101 hoops it’s kinda amusing Not believing something doesn’t constitute a blief system. That there are atheists who argue their position with the same fervor a tv evangelist has when arguing for Jesus, still doesn’t mean there is a belief system. ---
**Author:** ![Li\_l\_Pluck](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/ee59a6/32.png) [@Li\_l\_Pluck](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Li_l_Pluck)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2007, 7:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/more-sdmb-memes-youre-sick-of/402779/100 "2007-05-05T19:45:47Z")
[QUOTE=LonesomePolecat] Atheism is just as much a matter of unreasoning, gut level belief as theism. That’s why I consider both atheism and secularism to be essentially religious. [/QUOTE] 😕 / :eek: Oh, dear. **LonesomePolecat** , since I’ve never been a student of philosophy (and since I try to recognize my own limitations), I’m not going to engage you in a philosophical argument, but there are some things about what you’ve advanced that I’d like to address. Assuming that I understand what you mean by “unreasoning” (and I think I do), your argument doesn’t apply to me. I was raised with a fairly fundamentalist version of religion that, as far as I could tell, wasn’t (and still isn’t) based on any other reasoning (if we’re going to call it “reasoning”) than “God (or, the Bible) said it, I believe it, that settles it.” When I learned to think for myself (and after enduring years of not ever having anyone make a serious, independently thoughtful attempt at answering my childhood questions about religion), I…well, began to think for myself, and I eventually “reasoned” that there was an insurmountable and unsolvable conflict between what I was taught as a child and what I’d experienced and observed in the world. Thus, my atheism. [QUOTE=LonesomePolecat] He has substituted a vision of an earthly paradise for the hope of heaven. Unfortunately, it’s never going to happen. [/QUOTE] No, I didn’t. I think I understand how you got that from my other post, but that’s actually not how I feel. What I mean is this: I am as much of–if not moreso–oh, fuck it, **definitely** moreso–a cynic about the human condition than most people (which is why, despite some of the things he says, I tend to “get,” for example, **Der Trihs** ). The thing is, though, I’ve been fortunate enough to meet/know of/have in my life people who give me reason to hope that we’ll eventually get our shit together. I’ll admit that this is a daily battle for me (and it will likely not have been decided before I die), but yeah, I hope for “earthly paradise.” Talmudically: one is not required to complete the work, but one is not permitted to desist from it either. As for your philosophical reasoning? Like I said, I can’t go there (i.e., I’m pre-emptively putitng my tail between my legs). I’ll leave that to folks like **Charlie Tan** and **Czarcasm** , who I’m guessing are much more knowledgeable than I am about the subject. Oh, and I think that \*\*Nancarrow \*\* made a good point. Made me chuckle, too. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/more-sdmb-memes-youre-sick-of/402779.md?page=4) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/more-sdmb-memes-youre-sick-of/402779.md?page=6)