# More SDMB memes you're sick of **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [May 4, 2007, 6:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/more-sdmb-memes-youre-sick-of/402779 "2007-05-04T18:15:05Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![Hamadryad](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/6de8d8/32.png) [@Hamadryad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hamadryad)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2007, 9:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/more-sdmb-memes-youre-sick-of/402779/101 "2007-05-05T21:33:12Z")
> [@LonesomePolecat](#): > > Atheism is just as much a matter of unreasoning, gut level belief as theism. That’s why I consider both atheism and secularism to be essentially religious. [QUOTE=Czarcasm] So you consider it reasonable to believe in something without any evidence to support it? By your definition, you are unreasonable if you disbelieve in _anything_. BTW, I disbelieve in the tooth fairy-what would you call this “religion”? [/QUOTE] You said “strawman,” LP, but I think Czarcasm makes a valid point. You say that a lack of belief in a god or deity is an unreasoning, gut-level belief. That is why you think it is a religion. A lack of belief in the tooth fairy is an unreasoning, gut-level belief. Doesn’t this mean that it can also be considered a religion? I don’t believe that there is a tyrannosaurus rex buried under my house. This is an unreasoning, gut-level response; I have no proof that there is not a tyrannosaurus rex under my house. Does it therefore follow that my lack of belief in the dynosaur under my house is a religion? Or really, closer to the subject: Is your typical fundamentalist christian practicing the religion of not believing in Jupiter? Is NOT believing that there is no god but Allah and Mohammed is his profit a religion? So are christians not only christian, but also a-allahists? ---
**Author:** ![Kokopilau](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/5f8ce5/32.png) [@Kokopilau](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kokopilau)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2007, 10:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/more-sdmb-memes-youre-sick-of/402779/102 "2007-05-05T22:33:03Z")
[QUOTE=Hamadryad] Is your typical fundamentalist christian practicing the religion of not believing in Jupiter? Is NOT believing that there is no god but Allah and Mohammed is his profit a religion? So are christians not only christian, but also a-allahists? [/QUOTE] Christians are almost as atheistic as self-proclaimed atheists like Dawkins. Dawkins only disbelieves in _one_ more god than they do. ---
**Author:** ![Hamadryad](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/6de8d8/32.png) [@Hamadryad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hamadryad)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2007, 11:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/more-sdmb-memes-youre-sick-of/402779/103 "2007-05-05T23:04:32Z")
[QUOTE=Kokopilau] Christians are almost as atheistic as self-proclaimed atheists like Dawkins. Dawkins only disbelieves in _one_ more god than they do. [/QUOTE] Yup. I’ve thought “One Further” would be an entertainingly enigmatic atheistic bumper sticker. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Hamadryad](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/6de8d8/32.png) [@Hamadryad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hamadryad)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2007, 11:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/more-sdmb-memes-youre-sick-of/402779/104 "2007-05-05T23:31:03Z")
Speaking of atheists… [Fired for not believin’.](http://www.boston.com/news/local/maine/articles/2007/05/04/investigator_finds_reasonable_grounds_for_claim_of_atheism_firing/) ---
**Author:** ![Mangetout](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mangetout/32/19_2.png) [@Mangetout](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mangetout)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2007, 11:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/more-sdmb-memes-youre-sick-of/402779/105 "2007-05-05T23:49:50Z")
Needless, knee-jerk skepticism gets me down sometimes. You know - those threads where someone asks “is there such a thing as an albino crow?” and someone answers “It’s certainly possible - because I’ve seen one in my garden quite often - in fact, i just looked out the window and it’s on my lawn right now”, then someone else has to whine about anecdotes not being data, or screech “Cite!?”. Doesn’t matter how many people chime in after that saying they’ve seen albino crows, or that they keep a tame one as a pet, nothing short of a published, peer-reviewed paper on the subject of hypomelanism statistics in corvids would satisfy the knee-jerk skeptic, and maybe not even that. There are actually some questions that can be legitimately answered “yes, there’s one in front of me right now”, without needing to resort to ridiculous levels of proof. ---
**Author:** ![Plynck](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/3e96dc/32.png) [@Plynck](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Plynck)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2007, 6:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/more-sdmb-memes-youre-sick-of/402779/106 "2007-05-06T06:13:42Z")
[QUOTE=kidchameleon] Marcel Marceau [/QUOTE] I thought that was funny, but [we’re not supposed to post in French](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=8538227&postcount=35). Quel dommage… ---
**Author:** ![marshmallow](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/df705f/32.png) [@marshmallow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/marshmallow)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2007, 6:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/more-sdmb-memes-youre-sick-of/402779/107 "2007-05-06T06:29:28Z")
Secularism is != atheism, unless your name is Rush Limbaugh or maybe Ann Coulter. There are more secular theists than not, which is a good thing for the future of liberal civilization. ---
**Author:** ![fisha](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/da6949/32.png) [@fisha](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/fisha)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2007, 12:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/more-sdmb-memes-youre-sick-of/402779/108 "2007-05-06T12:40:34Z")
[QUOTE=Mangetout] Needless, knee-jerk skepticism gets me down sometimes. You know - those threads where someone asks “is there such a thing as an albino crow?” and someone answers “It’s certainly possible - because I’ve seen one in my garden quite often - in fact, i just looked out the window and it’s on my lawn right now”, then someone else has to whine about anecdotes not being data, or screech “Cite!?”. Doesn’t matter how many people chime in after that saying they’ve seen albino crows, or that they keep a tame one as a pet, nothing short of a published, peer-reviewed paper on the subject of hypomelanism statistics in corvids would satisfy the knee-jerk skeptic, and maybe not even that. There are actually some questions that can be legitimately answered “yes, there’s one in front of me right now”, without needing to resort to ridiculous levels of proof. [/QUOTE] \*I’ve \*never seen an albino crow. ---
**Author:** ![David\_Simmons](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/9de053/32.png) [@David\_Simmons](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/David_Simmons)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2007, 3:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/more-sdmb-memes-youre-sick-of/402779/109 "2007-05-06T15:43:35Z")
[QUOTE=dahfisheroo] \*I’ve \*never seen an albino crow. [/QUOTE] That’s probably because many birds tend to kill and kick out of the nest any hatchling that looks greatly different from the norm. ---
**Author:** ![Quiddity\_Glomfuster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/c4cdca/32.png) [@Quiddity\_Glomfuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Quiddity_Glomfuster)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2007, 4:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/more-sdmb-memes-youre-sick-of/402779/110 "2007-05-06T16:02:24Z")
[QUOTE=Mangetout] Needless, knee-jerk skepticism gets me down sometimes. You know - those threads where someone asks “is there such a thing as an albino crow?” and someone answers “It’s certainly possible - because I’ve seen one in my garden quite often - in fact, i just looked out the window and it’s on my lawn right now”, then someone else has to whine about anecdotes not being data, or screech “Cite!?”. Doesn’t matter how many people chime in after that saying they’ve seen albino crows, or that they keep a tame one as a pet, nothing short of a published, peer-reviewed paper on the subject of hypomelanism statistics in corvids would satisfy the knee-jerk skeptic, and maybe not even that. [/QUOTE] But people don’t dispute things like that. People dispute, and require cites for, statements like ‘all Muslims want to destroy the West’. A crow is something concrete - can be seen with the naked eye. Not so with beliefs and attitudes. If someone is asked ‘cite’ when they say ‘everyone with tattoos is a puppy-beater’ it’s because that individual is spouting BS as though it were fact and people are trying to show them that. ---
**Author:** ![Quiddity\_Glomfuster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/c4cdca/32.png) [@Quiddity\_Glomfuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Quiddity_Glomfuster)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2007, 4:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/more-sdmb-memes-youre-sick-of/402779/111 "2007-05-06T16:07:03Z")
[QUOTE=Charlie Tan] Are we going to do this _again_? :sigh: There is no empirical evidence for love, justice, fear, anger, hate, wisdom, or any other of a myriad intangible things. **Just because you can’t meassure it, doesn’t mean it’s not there.** Belief in God is real. **That doesn’t mean God is real**. [/QUOTE] Fascinating. Did you not notice that in the bolded (by me) sentence, you directly contradicted the second bolded (bye me) sentence after? :rolleyes: BTW, ‘empirical’ also means > [@](#): > > depending upon experience or observation alone, without using scientific method or theory, esp. as in medicine. ([dictionary.com](http://dictionary.com)) so a person’s belief based upon experience is indeed ‘empirical’. ---
**Author:** ![Quiddity\_Glomfuster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/c4cdca/32.png) [@Quiddity\_Glomfuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Quiddity_Glomfuster)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2007, 4:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/more-sdmb-memes-youre-sick-of/402779/112 "2007-05-06T16:09:50Z")
[QUOTE=LonesomePolecat] Atheism is just as much a matter of unreasoning, gut level belief as theism. That’s why I consider both atheism and secularism to be essentially religious. [/QUOTE] It seems to require a certain level of intellect to be able to grasp that concept. I’d have thought more Dopers might be at that level. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2007, 6:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/more-sdmb-memes-youre-sick-of/402779/113 "2007-05-06T18:24:52Z")
[QUOTE=Quiddity Glomfuster] It seems to require a certain level of intellect to be able to grasp that concept. I’d have thought more Dopers might be at that level. [/QUOTE] Thankfully, a lot of us have risen _above_ that level of intellect. ---
**Author:** ![Ryan\_Liam](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ryan_liam/32/3965_2.png) [@Ryan\_Liam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ryan_Liam)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2007, 7:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/more-sdmb-memes-youre-sick-of/402779/114 "2007-05-06T19:04:20Z")
Some memes I hate. **Me:** I support the Coalition in Iraq, I support Iraqi Government efforts to secure it’s country. **Some other posters:**'You Republican Hack etc etc, you’re racist, you hate brown people, how can you justify deaths etc etc, you support rapists etc etc, Troops out! Here’s some cites from [MoveOn.org](http://MoveOn.org), we’ll lose because we’re occupiers, Saddam was a Middle Eastern Tito, if you support the war why don’t you go over there and join the action? (one of the most ridiculous arguments ever, dumb shits, yeah I’m looking at you **Merijeek**.) The internet message version of a pile on if I ever saw one. ---
**Author:** ![Ogre](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/ecb155/32.png) [@Ogre](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ogre)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2007, 7:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/more-sdmb-memes-youre-sick-of/402779/115 "2007-05-06T19:28:00Z")
[QUOTE=Quiddity Glomfuster] It seems to require a certain level of intellect to be able to grasp that concept. I’d have thought more Dopers might be at that level. [/QUOTE] The idea that atheism is religious is pure idiocy. ---
**Author:** ![Slithy\_Tove](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slithy_tove/32/18248_2.png) [@Slithy\_Tove](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slithy_Tove)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2007, 10:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/more-sdmb-memes-youre-sick-of/402779/116 "2007-05-06T22:58:09Z")
[QUOTE=dahfisheroo] \*I’ve \*never seen an albino crow. [/QUOTE] I never hope to see one. But I can tell you anyhow, I’d rather see than be one. ---
**Author:** ![Secret\_Volcano\_Lair](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/5f8ce5/32.png) [@Secret\_Volcano\_Lair](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Secret_Volcano_Lair)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2007, 12:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/more-sdmb-memes-youre-sick-of/402779/117 "2007-05-07T00:21:24Z")
Here’s one that annoys me. > [@](#): > > Dopers…are supposed to be several cuts above the everyday people, are we not? ---
**Author:** ![Sarahfeena](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sarahfeena/32/519_2.png) [@Sarahfeena](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sarahfeena)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2007, 1:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/more-sdmb-memes-youre-sick-of/402779/118 "2007-05-07T01:49:24Z")
[QUOTE=Ogre] The idea that atheism is religious is pure idiocy. [/QUOTE] I am a believer in God, and I don’t buy into that idea, either. Around here, it seems to be mainly used by some religious people to refute the claim atheists make that religion is irrational. To me, it makes believers seem defensive and willing to make very weak arguments in order to justify their belief. ---
**Author:** ![Li\_l\_Pluck](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/ee59a6/32.png) [@Li\_l\_Pluck](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Li_l_Pluck)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2007, 2:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/more-sdmb-memes-youre-sick-of/402779/119 "2007-05-07T02:12:42Z")
[QUOTE=Sarahfeena] I am a believer in God, and I don’t buy into that idea, either. Around here, it seems to be mainly used by some religious people to refute the claim atheists make that religion is irrational. To me, it makes believers seem defensive and willing to make very weak arguments in order to justify their belief. [/QUOTE] I certainly can’t speak for **Ogre** , so for myself, thank you for this. ---
**Author:** ![Ogre](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/ecb155/32.png) [@Ogre](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ogre)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2007, 2:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/more-sdmb-memes-youre-sick-of/402779/120 "2007-05-07T02:19:13Z")
[QUOTE=Sarahfeena] I am a believer in God, and I don’t buy into that idea, either. Around here, it seems to be mainly used by some religious people to refute the claim atheists make that religion is irrational. To me, it makes believers seem defensive and willing to make very weak arguments in order to justify their belief. [/QUOTE] Yep, you nailed it. Thanks! [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/more-sdmb-memes-youre-sick-of/402779.md?page=5) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/more-sdmb-memes-youre-sick-of/402779.md?page=7)