# More sips from the poisoned font of ottto's ignorance: **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [June 7, 2002, 11:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/more-sips-from-the-poisoned-font-of-otttos-ignorance/112817 "2002-06-07T11:57:37Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![istara](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/e79b87/32.png) [@istara](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/istara)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2002, 11:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/more-sips-from-the-poisoned-font-of-otttos-ignorance/112817/1 "2002-06-07T11:57:37Z")
[**Racism against Arabs**](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?s=&threadid=119021) > [@](#): > > UDS, I must disagree. > > Understanding WHY they are terrorists has no value. Killing them, on the other hand, does. > > We did not understand the Nazis, or why they did what they did. Heck, 50+ years laters, we STILL do not really understand. But it doesn’t matter; We killed them all. (Well, a few got away.) > > From an academic point of view, sure, it would be neat to know what posses people to intentionally kill civilians. But from a practical point of view, kill the terrorists first, find out why they did it, what their favorite color was, etc, later. [**Justice: Let’s fingerprint all Middle Eastern visitors**](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?s=&threadid=118824) > [@](#): > > Of course, the old point that it is not Laplander reindeer herders threatening us, but rather, Middle Eastern men, that makes moot the ‘racial profiling’ argument. > > Of course it is ‘profiling’, and of course, we would morons to not require it. [**"Jihad" – The Fight Over Meaning**](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?s=&threadid=119034) > [@](#): > > It really doesn’t matter what WE think the meaning of ‘Jihad’ is. The problem is with the wack-jobs in certain hot countries that believe it means ‘Holy War’ in the literal sense. > > Same with Islam being a ‘Religeon of Peace’. Great, just tell the crazies blowing themselves (and others) up, and we can all get along. > > The problem isn’t in OUR interpretation, (assuming no Al Queda members here), it is in the terrorists interpretation, and those who support them. Well, **ottto** , that certainly quenched my thirst for ignorance, bigotry and downright stupidity. ---
**Author:** ![Tranquilis](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tranquilis/32/3639_2.png) [@Tranquilis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tranquilis)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2002, 12:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/more-sips-from-the-poisoned-font-of-otttos-ignorance/112817/2 "2002-06-07T12:22:32Z")
Words fail me. ---
**Author:** ![Efrem](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/d78d45/32.png) [@Efrem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Efrem)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2002, 12:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/more-sips-from-the-poisoned-font-of-otttos-ignorance/112817/3 "2002-06-07T12:54:38Z")
Yeah **otto** is an ass. However he is also very new so let us cut him a little lack with his asinine comments. ---
**Author:** ![irishgirl](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/8edcca/32.png) [@irishgirl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/irishgirl)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2002, 12:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/more-sips-from-the-poisoned-font-of-otttos-ignorance/112817/4 "2002-06-07T12:59:20Z")
c’mon folks, i suggested we send him to east belfast on a fact-finding mission… one of the facts he’d hopefully find out would be how much it hurts when you’re knee-capped by loyalists. i’ll propose that again, followed by a little trip to recuperate in the sunny gulf states…where he can explain his reasoning behind the above posts to lots and LOTS of nice arabs. passing round the hat here…it’s a very good cause! the-straight-dope-send-ottto-to-belfast-and-the-middle-east-appeal it has a nice ring to it! ---
**Author:** ![minty\_green](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f6c823/32.png) [@minty\_green](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/minty_green)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2002, 1:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/more-sips-from-the-poisoned-font-of-otttos-ignorance/112817/5 "2002-06-07T13:51:54Z")
Am I the only one who thinks those comments, while somewhat reactionary, are rather less than beyond the pale? Actually, I quite agree that:[ul][_]Killing al Qaeda is, right now, more important than understanding them.[_]Fingerprinting visitors who fit the terrorist profile is a reasonable means of helping to secure our borders from terrorist attack.A certain number of nut cases think “jihad” is Allah’s command to kill.[/ul]I’ve seen **ottto** make some pretty stupid statements in his short time here, but the ones in the OP aren’t all that unreasonable. ---
**Author:** ![erislover](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/71e660/32.png) [@erislover](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/erislover)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2002, 1:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/more-sips-from-the-poisoned-font-of-otttos-ignorance/112817/6 "2002-06-07T13:52:35Z")
Has **ottto** ever even shown up to the parties we throw for him? ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2002, 10:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/more-sips-from-the-poisoned-font-of-otttos-ignorance/112817/7 "2002-06-07T22:17:04Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by efrem \* > \*\*Yeah **otto** is an ass. However he is also very new so let us cut him a little lack with his asinine comments. \*\* **Otto** is pretty cool. **Ottto** is a complete and total asshat. ---
**Author:** ![World\_Eater](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/f04885/32.png) [@World\_Eater](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/World_Eater)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2002, 10:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/more-sips-from-the-poisoned-font-of-otttos-ignorance/112817/8 "2002-06-07T22:22:19Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Guinastasia \* > \*\* > > **Otto** is pretty cool. > > **Ottto** is a complete and total asshat. \*\* K now that makes sense. ---
**Author:** ![Efrem](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/d78d45/32.png) [@Efrem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Efrem)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2002, 11:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/more-sips-from-the-poisoned-font-of-otttos-ignorance/112817/9 "2002-06-07T23:10:37Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Guinastasia \* > \*\* > > **Otto** is pretty cool. > > **Ottto** is a complete and total asshat. \*\* Typo, sorry **Otto** ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2002, 12:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/more-sips-from-the-poisoned-font-of-otttos-ignorance/112817/10 "2002-06-08T00:01:22Z")
'Tis okay. 😉 Just trying to avoid confusion. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2002, 11:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/more-sips-from-the-poisoned-font-of-otttos-ignorance/112817/11 "2002-06-08T11:36:24Z")
Goddamn it, when do I get _my_ pit thread? ---
**Author:** ![OttoDaFe](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ottodafe/32/356_2.png) [@OttoDaFe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/OttoDaFe)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2002, 2:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/more-sips-from-the-poisoned-font-of-otttos-ignorance/112817/12 "2002-06-08T14:42:29Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Bryan Ekers \* > \*\*Goddamn it, when do I get _my_ pit thread? \*\* You get a Pit thread the old-fashioned way: you _earn_ it. That’s how I got mine (though I didn’t know at the time that I was doing it). **Guin** , kudos for standing up for **Otto** –who, I agree, is pretty cool. And your assessment of the other (he-who-should-not-be-named) is spot-on, too. If my ID were not sufficiently different, I’d probably have to take notice. Or offense. Or something. ---
**Author:** ![TwistofFate](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/cdc98d/32.png) [@TwistofFate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TwistofFate)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2002, 2:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/more-sips-from-the-poisoned-font-of-otttos-ignorance/112817/13 "2002-06-08T14:55:04Z")
I had to do a doubletake when I saw Ottto’s first posts… I thought Otto, who I have read and thought was a good egg. had gone mad. Thankfully I was wrong. ---
**Author:** ![Ottto](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/e495f1/32.png) [@Ottto](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ottto)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2002, 4:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/more-sips-from-the-poisoned-font-of-otttos-ignorance/112817/14 "2002-06-08T16:12:50Z")
First off, I demand to be personally invited to all meetings of the Ottto fan-club. And many of you are late with membership dues. I love it when Leftists resort to their Holy Cow of arguments: The Race Card. Since you do not actually have counter-arguments, you surrender to that bastion of the modern left, and cry ‘Racist!’. Yes, I advocate killing every single terrorist AND every single person who supports terrorism. What is wrong with that? That goes for white christian terrorists, peruvian maoist terrorists, Saudi muslim terrorists, I care not. Targeting noncombatants is beyond deplorable, and should earn you a one-way trip to hell, pronto. It should NOT earn you a seat at the negotiation table, you fools. Let me guess, the bleeding hearts in my fanclub would rather ‘talk’ to them? Get to ‘understand’ them? As if though it was all just a great big misunderstanding, and all we need to do is have a heart to heart. Get a fucking clue. As for people blathering on about the ‘Loyalists’ and the IRA and whatnot: I DO NOT GIVE A DAMN. If you target innocent people, you are a terrorist. It matter not if what flavor of the Bible you read. I see that this ‘Otto’ is most likely a communist or similiar, if you folks like him. I will get a new moniker, post haste. I would hate to be confused with him. ---
**Author:** ![Polycarp](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/82dd89/32.png) [@Polycarp](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Polycarp)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2002, 4:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/more-sips-from-the-poisoned-font-of-otttos-ignorance/112817/15 "2002-06-08T16:39:43Z")
No, **Otto** is a rational man with a quick temper and IIRC a more-or-less libertarian political stance (although I do recall him as being in favor of ENDA and other hate-crimes-targeting laws, understandable since he is himself gay). I do not like persons who resort to terrorism, myself. I am not so quick as you to condemn every single one of them, without any discussion, to death. (If you’ll recall, the original news from September 1, 1939, was that World War II broke out when Polish commandoes took over a German radio station. In point of fact, it was German auxiliaries _disguised_ as Polish troops who did the attack in order to provide Hitler with a pretext. I do not wish to invoke Godwin’s Law here, but cite this instance to give you a clear-cut case that _everyone whom someone claims is a “terrorist” may not in fact be one_.) Almost nobody here is a knee-jerk liberal or a knee-jerk conservative, but a person who has formed their political stance through application of their own moral code to their understanding of the political sphere after some serious study into what’s happening. The handful of posts I’ve seen from you indicate a tendency to jump to a conclusion on apparently inadequate data. There are times when this is essential to survival, but posting on an Internet message board is generally not one of those times. ---
**Author:** ![tomndebb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/b9e5f3/32.png) [@tomndebb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tomndebb)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2002, 6:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/more-sips-from-the-poisoned-font-of-otttos-ignorance/112817/16 "2002-06-08T18:07:26Z")
> [@](#): > > Yes, I advocate killing every single terrorist AND every single person who supports terrorism. Well, I am certainly glad to see that we have your blessing to rain nukes down on the whole of the former Yugoslavia. ---
**Author:** ![Ottto](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/e495f1/32.png) [@Ottto](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ottto)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2002, 6:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/more-sips-from-the-poisoned-font-of-otttos-ignorance/112817/17 "2002-06-08T18:19:40Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by tomndebb \* > \*\* Well, I am certainly glad to see that we have your blessing to rain nukes down on the whole of the former Yugoslavia. \*\* I by no means ever remember advocating genocide. Just killing the terrorists & their good friends. But here in my magical fan club, you can interpret anything I say to mean anything you want. That is part of the magic, you know. ---
**Author:** ![chula](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/a4c791/32.png) [@chula](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/chula)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2002, 8:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/more-sips-from-the-poisoned-font-of-otttos-ignorance/112817/18 "2002-06-08T20:09:14Z")
After paying a visit to GD, I had to come to the Pit to see the newest installment in the “Ottto is an ass” thread. The fact that it was here and active renewed my faith in this board. My favorite of his recent contributions was the racist “humorous quiz” on the “Let’s fingerprint Middle Easterners” thread. ---
**Author:** ![Michael\_Ellis](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/977dab/32.png) [@Michael\_Ellis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Michael_Ellis)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2002, 8:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/more-sips-from-the-poisoned-font-of-otttos-ignorance/112817/19 "2002-06-08T20:31:43Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by tomndebb \* > \*\*Well, I am certainly glad to see that we have your blessing to rain nukes down on the whole of the former Yugoslavia. \*\* Well, there goes my idea for a remake of _Force 10 From Navarone_. ---
**Author:** ![PhiloVance](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/e19adc/32.png) [@PhiloVance](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PhiloVance)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2002, 8:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/more-sips-from-the-poisoned-font-of-otttos-ignorance/112817/20 "2002-06-08T20:42:40Z")
> [@](#): > > recuperate in the sunny gulf states… Could that be Florida, Georgia, Alabama, Mississippi and Louisiana? Hmmm… :rolleyes: [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/more-sips-from-the-poisoned-font-of-otttos-ignorance/112817.md?page=2)