# More sovereign citizen goodness **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Created:** [July 29, 2015, 2:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/more-sovereign-citizen-goodness/726478 "2015-07-29T14:48:59Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 10
**Author:** ![mhendo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mhendo/32/3159_2.png) [@mhendo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mhendo)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2016, 3:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/more-sovereign-citizen-goodness/726478/181 "2016-08-04T15:41:37Z")
My post back on page 3 (post #150) has a video of a black sovereign citizen in Oakland. I admit, i was actually rather surprised that any blacks were part of this movement. ---
**Author:** ![Enola\_Straight](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/dec6dc/32.png) [@Enola\_Straight](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Enola_Straight)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2016, 4:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/more-sovereign-citizen-goodness/726478/182 "2016-08-04T16:07:55Z")
If Sovereign Citizens are _not_ US citizens, can we DEPORT THEM? :eek: ---
**Author:** ![Accidental\_Martyr](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ce7236/32.png) [@Accidental\_Martyr](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Accidental_Martyr)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2016, 4:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/more-sovereign-citizen-goodness/726478/183 "2016-08-04T16:15:52Z")
> [@mhendo](#): > > My post back on page 3 (post #150) has a video of a black sovereign citizen in Oakland. I admit, i was actually rather surprised that any blacks were part of this movement. There was also this guy from Ohio in the news a few years ago. > **[Grand jury indicts Ohio 'sovereign citizen' accused of trying to steal 11 homes](https://www.rawstory.com/2013/12/grand-jury-indicts-ohio-sovereign-citizen-accused-of-trying-to-steal-11-homes/)** > > A grand jury indicted an Ohio “sovereign citizen” who tried to steal 11 homes by moving in and filing a “quiet title” to claim ownership.Prosecutors said Robert Carr found empty houses in the Cincinnati area, changed the locks and filed court... ---
**Author:** ![Boyo\_Jim](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/87869e/32.png) [@Boyo\_Jim](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Boyo_Jim)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2016, 4:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/more-sovereign-citizen-goodness/726478/184 "2016-08-04T16:18:10Z")
> [@Enola\_Straight](#): > > If Sovereign Citizens are _not_ US citizens, can we DEPORT THEM? > :eek: Yes, where is Sovereignia? ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2016, 4:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/more-sovereign-citizen-goodness/726478/185 "2016-08-04T16:20:23Z")
> [@Enola\_Straight](#): > > If Sovereign Citizens are _not_ US citizens, can we DEPORT THEM? > :eek: I was going to ask “Where to?”, but then it came to me that since they are just a bunch of lunies it only makes sense they be shipped off to the moon. ---
**Author:** ![Chimera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/8e8cbc/32.png) [@Chimera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chimera)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2016, 4:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/more-sovereign-citizen-goodness/726478/186 "2016-08-04T16:43:02Z")
[This is always my go-to response for any question of where people should be exiled to, may as well send the SovCits there too.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kerguelen_Islands) ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2016, 9:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/more-sovereign-citizen-goodness/726478/187 "2016-08-06T21:52:03Z")
> [@mhendo](#): > > My post back on page 3 (post #150) has a video of a black sovereign citizen in Oakland. I admit, i was actually rather surprised that any blacks were part of this movement. There’s a fair number I understand; which is ironic as it more-or-less [started](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sovereign_citizen_movement#History) as a [racist conspiracy theory/movement](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Posse_Comitatus_(organization)). ---
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2016, 10:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/more-sovereign-citizen-goodness/726478/188 "2016-08-06T22:49:28Z")
> [@Chimera](#): > > [This is always my go-to response for any question of where people should be exiled to, may as well send the SovCits there too.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kerguelen_Islands) Nice. Then set up an exclusion zone so nobody bothers the little dears. I wonder how much France would be asking for the place? ---
**Author:** ![Common\_Tater](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/common_tater/32/13846_2.png) [@Common\_Tater](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Common_Tater)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2016, 1:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/more-sovereign-citizen-goodness/726478/189 "2016-08-07T01:03:41Z")
> [@Der\_Trihs](#): > > There’s a fair number I understand; which is ironic as it more-or-less [started](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sovereign_citizen_movement#History) as a [racist conspiracy theory/movement](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Posse_Comitatus_(organization)). Just about anything people don’t like is called “racist” these days, it’s pathetic. Without regard to that if you watch the video of Ms. Gaines while she was pulled over for no tags or registration or whatever it was, it’s clear she had signed on to all the arguments. The police were very polite and patient, at least at that juncture. She is dead now. ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2016, 3:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/more-sovereign-citizen-goodness/726478/190 "2016-08-07T03:06:16Z")
> [@Common\_Tater](#): > > Just about anything people don’t like is called “racist” these days, it’s pathetic. What? Are you trying to claim that _white supremacists_ aren’t racist? Posse Comitatus was definitely racist. ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2016, 4:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/more-sovereign-citizen-goodness/726478/191 "2016-08-08T04:17:15Z")
> [@Enola\_Straight](#): > > If Sovereign Citizens are _not_ US citizens, can we DEPORT THEM? > :eek: As an Ohio court noted awhile back: Defendant is a citizen of this state unless and until he establishes residency in another state, or in another country. He is a citizen of the United States unless and until he undertakes those steps provided under federal law for revocation of citizenship, and, incidentally, subjects himself to deportation. Sections 1229 and 1481, Title 8, U.S.Code; _see, also, Afroyim v. Rusk_ (1967), 387 U.S. 253. Clearly, defendant wishes to have his cake of citizenship and eat it too. He wishes to live in this state, drive on its roads, walk on its paths, be protected by its Constitution, laws, courts and officers, and enjoy all of its rights and blessings, while shirking its responsibilities — including the responsibility to pay his lawful debts. This is repugnant to both the letter and spirit of the law, and this the court will not permit him to do. _State v. Bob Manashian Painting_, 121 Ohio Misc.2d 99, 2002-Ohio-7444. ---
**Author:** ![Ale](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/f19dbf/32.png) [@Ale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ale)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2016, 11:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/more-sovereign-citizen-goodness/726478/192 "2016-08-09T11:22:13Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > I was going to ask “Where to?”, but then it came to me that since they are just a bunch of lunies it only makes sense they be shipped off to the moon. No, no… to the Spratly islands. ---
**Author:** ![Ludovic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7ab992/32.png) [@Ludovic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ludovic)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2016, 12:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/more-sovereign-citizen-goodness/726478/193 "2016-08-09T12:32:49Z")
> [@silenus](#): > > How about just cutting back the catering to appetizers and crudites? Only if we pronounce it “croo-dights”. ---
**Author:** ![Colibri](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colibri/32/1841_2.png) [@Colibri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colibri)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2016, 3:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/more-sovereign-citizen-goodness/726478/194 "2016-08-09T15:22:59Z")
> [@Ale](#): > > No, no… to the Spratly islands. Too pleasant. I would nominate the subantarctic [Kerguelen Islands](https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/7a/Port_Couvreux,_Kerguelen_-_PascalSubtil.jpg). Just the place for rugged individualists who don’t need society. ---
**Author:** ![Chimera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/8e8cbc/32.png) [@Chimera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chimera)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2016, 6:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/more-sovereign-citizen-goodness/726478/195 "2016-08-09T18:35:55Z")
> [@Colibri](#): > > Too pleasant. I would nominate the subantarctic [Kerguelen Islands](https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/7a/Port_Couvreux,_Kerguelen_-_PascalSubtil.jpg). Just the place for rugged individualists who don’t need society. Which is exactly what I provided above. 😃 Hey, there’s (barely) edible native cabbage and some leftover goats and rabbits. I’m sure they’ll do fine. ---
**Author:** ![Nava](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/da6949/32.png) [@Nava](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nava)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2016, 6:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/more-sovereign-citizen-goodness/726478/196 "2016-08-09T18:43:19Z")
I’m cheering for the goats. ---
**Author:** ![Colibri](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colibri/32/1841_2.png) [@Colibri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colibri)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2016, 6:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/more-sovereign-citizen-goodness/726478/197 "2016-08-09T18:44:31Z")
> [@davidm](#): > > Someone should point that out to SC’s in California, because it would be funny as hell to see some videos of people arguing with cops about the laws of the Viceroyalty of New Spain. 😃 Hopefully, they state that anyone resisting the authorities be turned over to the Inquisition for punishment by strappado or bastinado. ---
**Author:** ![Colibri](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colibri/32/1841_2.png) [@Colibri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colibri)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2016, 6:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/more-sovereign-citizen-goodness/726478/198 "2016-08-09T18:47:16Z")
> [@Chimera](#): > > Which is exactly what I provided above. 😃 > > Hey, there’s (barely) edible native cabbage and some leftover goats and rabbits. I’m sure they’ll do fine. Sorry, I didn’t click every link. [Life there looks delightful.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kerguelen_Islands#/media/File:NUNN(1850)_p182_THE_EGG-CART.jpg) ---
**Author:** ![Nava](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/da6949/32.png) [@Nava](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nava)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2016, 6:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/more-sovereign-citizen-goodness/726478/199 "2016-08-09T18:52:19Z")
> [@Colibri](#): > > Hopefully, they state that anyone resisting the authorities be turned over to the Inquisition for punishment by strappado or bastinado. Doubtful, given that Nueva España was under Castillian Law and there the Inquisition was always under Church control; it wasn’t an arm of the civilian authorities. But it is possible that a woman will not be able to declare in court. Depending on the circumstances of the case, on her age, marriage status, etc., she will be able to do so or not. Oh, and if she’s divorced and remarried? That’s bigamy. ---
**Author:** ![Punoqllads](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/d2c977/32.png) [@Punoqllads](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Punoqllads)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2016, 7:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/more-sovereign-citizen-goodness/726478/200 "2016-08-09T19:47:34Z")
> [@mhendo](#): > > My post back on page 3 (post #150) has a video of a black sovereign citizen in Oakland. I admit, i was actually rather surprised that any blacks were part of this movement. Take one part Moorish Science and one part Sovereign Citizen Movement and you’ve got [Moorish Law](https://www.splcenter.org/fighting-hate/intelligence-report/2011/%E2%80%98sovereigns%E2%80%99-black). [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/more-sovereign-citizen-goodness/726478.md?page=9) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/more-sovereign-citizen-goodness/726478.md?page=11)