# More sovereign citizen goodness **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Created:** [July 29, 2015, 2:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/more-sovereign-citizen-goodness/726478 "2015-07-29T14:48:59Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 8
**Author:** ![davidm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/davidm/32/225_2.png) [@davidm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/davidm)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2015, 7:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/more-sovereign-citizen-goodness/726478/141 "2015-08-10T07:27:00Z")
> [@kaylasdad99](#): > > I ran the linked video without sound. Did the soundtrack have her identifying herself as an Obama voter? I’m not sitting through a 10 minute video right now, but I’ve seen that video before and I don’t recall any mention of Obama or voting and certainly nothing that would indicate that she’s a liberal. I think the author of that article must have hallucinated that part. For that matter, there’s nothing to indicate she’s a conservative. Although I suppose it could be argued that the type of anti-government hyper-freedom (I coined a term!) they espouse would be more in line with conservatism than liberalism. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2015, 11:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/more-sovereign-citizen-goodness/726478/142 "2015-08-10T11:08:01Z")
> [@kaylasdad99](#): > > I ran the linked video without sound. Did the soundtrack have her identifying herself as an Obama voter? Headline and article. The writer assumes sovereign citizens are liberals and thus an Obama voter. Hence the _rolleyes_. ETA:Notice the website is “MrConservative” ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2015, 11:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/more-sovereign-citizen-goodness/726478/143 "2015-08-10T11:50:07Z")
I’d be surprised to discover that the sovereign citizen crowd were registered voters of any kind - you’d think being on that sort of government list would be anathema to them. ---
**Author:** ![Harvey\_The\_Heavy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/c5a1d2/32.png) [@Harvey\_The\_Heavy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Harvey_The_Heavy)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2015, 2:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/more-sovereign-citizen-goodness/726478/144 "2015-08-10T14:14:00Z")
> [@dropzone](#): > > I declare myself a Freeman under the National Electrical Code, chapter 110, paragraph 70. “Officer, I will not recognize your jurisdiction until you show me your design documentation” **BZZZZZT** This is not a safe work space! THIS IS NOT A SAFE WORK SPACE!!!" ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2015, 3:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/more-sovereign-citizen-goodness/726478/145 "2015-08-11T03:00:25Z")
> [@running\_coach](#): > > Tax laws. If you can convince the IRS you’re in the right, you can convince anybody. Meh, I was thinking more along the lines of keying my asshole neighbor’s car. ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2015, 11:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/more-sovereign-citizen-goodness/726478/146 "2015-08-11T11:43:12Z")
> [@running\_coach](#): > > Headline and article. The writer assumes sovereign citizens are liberals and thus an Obama voter. Hence the _rolleyes_. > > ETA:Notice the website is “MrConservative” Saw that. I was wondering if anything in the video backed that up. ---
**Author:** ![Saint\_Cad](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/saint_cad/32/18907_2.png) [@Saint\_Cad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Saint_Cad)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2015, 7:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/more-sovereign-citizen-goodness/726478/147 "2015-08-12T19:17:00Z")
> [@Smeghead](#): > > I just saw this [compilation](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QCozh_vbYdM) of sovereign citizens failing to succeed. I couldn’t make it past the second clip, because the crying child turned it from amusing to tragic. However, I did get to hear the immortal line “you just tased my nuts! That’s an inappropriate use of that device!” I would really like the SD’s opinion, especially pkbites and Loach on the third to last clip (stand alone video [here](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bjSyRXajOfg&feature=youtu.be)) Long story short, driver is stopped for a “safety inspection” and he asks, “Am I being detained?” Rather than answering yes or no, the LEO says he’s just doing his job. Guy is actually rational and when the LEO later says he is being detained, the driver asks further questions to find out his exact situation.\* From the perspective of a driver who is not an LEO or lawyer, it is hard to know exactly where you stand with police (we’ve done this millions of times with “don’t talk to cops” and “can police detain you?” and “when does a detention turn into something more aka There’s Something About Terry”). Ok so driver starts in with “unconstitutional” and “I’m not obligated…” bullshit and immediately the partner\* flings open the door, hitting the original LEO and yelling at the driver. While yelling at the driver he snatches the license & insurance. Driver eventually goes 5th Amendment because to be honest, there is no telling what Hothead Cop is going to do and the driver may feel he’s going to be dragged out of the car and arrested. Hothead Cop’s reaction to the guy saying “I have the right to remain silent.” was “Really?! Are you sure?”\* Stop ends when Hothead Cop slams the car door and hands driver his paperwork back. \*These 3 situations, I would love to know what the LEO perspective is on the situation. ---
**Author:** ![Alan\_Smithee](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/2acd7d/32.png) [@Alan\_Smithee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alan_Smithee)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2015, 8:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/more-sovereign-citizen-goodness/726478/148 "2015-08-12T20:23:56Z")
> [@Saint\_Cad](#): > > I would really like the SD’s opinion, especially pkbites and Loach on the third to last clip (stand alone video [here](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bjSyRXajOfg&feature=youtu.be)) > > Long story short, driver is stopped for a “safety inspection” and he asks, “Am I being detained?” Rather than answering yes or no, the LEO says he’s just doing his job. Guy is actually rational and when the LEO later says he is being detained, the driver asks further questions to find out his exact situation.\* From the perspective of a driver who is not an LEO or lawyer, it is hard to know exactly where you stand with police (we’ve done this millions of times with “don’t talk to cops” and “can police detain you?” and “when does a detention turn into something more aka There’s Something About Terry”). > > Ok so driver starts in with “unconstitutional” and “I’m not obligated..” bullshit and immediately the partner\* flings open the door, hitting the original LEO and yelling at the driver. While yelling at the driver he snatches the license & insurance. Driver eventually goes 5th Amendment because to be honest, there is no telling what Hothead Cop is going to do and the driver may feel he’s going to be dragged out of the car and arrested. Hothead Cop’s reaction to the guy saying “I have the right to remain silent.” was “Really?! Are you sure?”\* Stop ends when Hothead Cop slams the car door and hands driver his paperwork back. > > \*These 3 situations, I would love to know what the LEO perspective is on the situation. I agree and would also like a professional opinion on that one. Also the truck driver stopped at an immigration checkpoint. He was foolish in not complying once the officer made it clear he had no choice and was going to break the glass if he didn’t comply, but I was under the impression that mandatory immigration checks were illegal–the cops can stop you and ask questions, but they can’t make you answer them or detain you if you aren’t at the border. (Though maybe they were close enough to the border that it’s considered a border stop. I think there’ some odd leeway there.) ---
**Author:** ![Saint\_Cad](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/saint_cad/32/18907_2.png) [@Saint\_Cad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Saint_Cad)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2015, 10:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/more-sovereign-citizen-goodness/726478/149 "2015-08-12T22:14:45Z")
> [@Alan\_Smithee](#): > > I agree and would also like a professional opinion on that one. Also the truck driver stopped at an immigration checkpoint. He was foolish in not complying once the officer made it clear he had no choice and was going to break the glass if he didn’t comply, but I was under the impression that mandatory immigration checks were illegal–the cops can stop you and ask questions, but they can’t make you answer them or detain you if you aren’t at the border. (Though maybe they were close enough to the border that it’s considered a border stop. I think there’ some odd leeway there.) My impression (IANAL) is why is it not legal for INS to ask someone crossing the border if they are a citizen or not. HOWEVER, notice the lack of passport? I suspect the immigration checkpoint was far from the border. The one I’m familiar with is between San Diego and Los Angeles **67 miles from the border**. If he is driving a truck and never left the country and is nowhere near Mexico, I can’t argue that “Go fuck yourself.” isn’t a valid answer to “Are you a US citizen?” ---
**Author:** ![mhendo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mhendo/32/3159_2.png) [@mhendo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mhendo)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2016, 9:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/more-sovereign-citizen-goodness/726478/150 "2016-06-02T21:52:48Z")
I know this thread’s a little bit old, but i thought i’d post this new video of a sovereign citizen denying her need for a license in Oakland, CA. The predictable and rather satisfying result is that she gets to walk away, carrying her child seats and other belongings, while her car is towed. :) ---
**Author:** ![OffByOne](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/45deac/32.png) [@OffByOne](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/OffByOne)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2016, 5:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/more-sovereign-citizen-goodness/726478/151 "2016-06-03T17:11:54Z")
> [@Chimera](#): > > For the most part, there’s no point in the police or even the courts arguing with these loons. They have staked out a position that is so far outside of reality and so full of internal contradictions that they aren’t going to listen and you aren’t going to wake them up. Just ignore the crap, consider it the ramblings of a drunk, make the arrest, process the charges, put them in jail. The sooner they see that their ‘magic’ mumbo jumbo had zero effect on their situation and didn’t shield them from any consequences, the sooner they’ll figure out that it doesn’t work. No, they will just post screed after blog after Facebook post that their rights, RIGHTS, have been trampled upon. As if NOT being a US Citizen conferred any rights to them. ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2016, 7:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/more-sovereign-citizen-goodness/726478/152 "2016-06-03T19:13:13Z")
“Some people believe with great fervor preposterous things that just happen to coincide with their self-interest.” \*Coleman v. Commissioner of Internal Revenue \*(7th Cir. 1986), 791 F.2d 68, 69. ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 2016, 9:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/more-sovereign-citizen-goodness/726478/153 "2016-07-07T21:29:39Z")
[Sovereign citizens tried to have a district attorney and several county commissioners arrested in Clayton County, Georgia, by police](http://www.news-daily.com/news/citizen-s-arrests-of-four-clayton-county-officials-disrupts-boc/article_a342f553-f3a0-5a2e-a5df-56a1b688d2f9.html). Unfortunately, the police failed to do their citizens’ grand jury-ordered duties. The official website of “carl -alfred: Swensson” (including a copy of his retinal scan) [https://scannedretina.com/carl-alfred-swensson/](https://scannedretina.com/carl-alfred-swensson/) ---
**Author:** ![Chimera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/8e8cbc/32.png) [@Chimera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chimera)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 2016, 9:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/more-sovereign-citizen-goodness/726478/154 "2016-07-07T21:34:32Z")
> [@OffByOne](#): > > No, they will just post screed after blog after Facebook post that their rights, RIGHTS, have been trampled upon. > > As if NOT being a US Citizen conferred any rights to them. Then let them. It has zero net effect on their being subject to the law and at some point it may be useful in showing that they cannot be trusted with issues such as bail, probation, suspended sentences and the like. You can’t fix stupid. But you can stop catering to it. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2016, 12:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/more-sovereign-citizen-goodness/726478/155 "2016-07-30T00:16:42Z")
[Ringleader Of Oregon Occupation Now Trying To Wriggle Out Of Criminal Charges With Crackpot Theories](http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2016/07/29/3803337/ryan-bundy-legal-filing-sovereign-citizen/) > [@](#): > > “People are throwing their lives away thinking they can be protected by these magic arguments, and then ending up in jail,” Walker said. “To me it’s the equivalent of somebody giving shitty alternative health advice. This is alternative legal advice.” . . . > > Sovereign ideologues triggered two dozen separate incidents of violence around the country from 2010 to 2014, a sporadic rate of extremist violence that the Department of Homeland Security expects to continue. When sovereigns do become violent, they usually target law enforcement. Most recently, the man who killed three police in Baton Rouge this month shared Bundy’s beliefs. . . . > > Prosecutors and judges aren’t liable to let Bundy’s series of felony charges slide just because he throws piles of semicolons at them. ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2016, 2:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/more-sovereign-citizen-goodness/726478/156 "2016-07-30T02:33:33Z")
> [@Chimera](#): > > …You can’t fix stupid. But you can stop catering to it. Preach it! ---
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2016, 4:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/more-sovereign-citizen-goodness/726478/157 "2016-07-30T04:43:02Z")
How about just cutting back the catering to appetizers and crudites? ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2016, 10:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/more-sovereign-citizen-goodness/726478/158 "2016-07-31T22:12:43Z")
Someone posted this on another forum, and it was too funny not to share. The Sovereign Citizen view on why names are written in [CAPITAL LETTERS](http://humansarefree.com/2015/07/heres-why-your-legal-name-is-written-in.html) in legal documents: > [@](#): > > Your legal name, which is used to represent you (the body of water or liquid), is written in all CAPITAL LETTERS because it is a piece of liquidated capital. In other words, it has been securitized and turned into a financial instrument. Hence, the phrase “liquidated capital.” > > To liquidate something is to sell it off entirely, or sell it to pay off a debt. It is called liquidated capital because you, the person who has been securitized, were born in the womb of your mother, which was mostly made of water (liquid). You are also mostly made of water. Because you are mostly made of liquid and have been securitized, you are considered liquidated capital. ---
**Author:** ![Roderick\_Femm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/roderick_femm/32/14875_2.png) [@Roderick\_Femm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Roderick_Femm)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2016, 10:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/more-sovereign-citizen-goodness/726478/159 "2016-07-31T22:59:04Z")
Star Trek TNG tiny crystalline creatures called humans “Ugly bags of mostly water!” I guess they were right. ---
**Author:** ![Clothahump](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/51bf81/32.png) [@Clothahump](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Clothahump)\ **Post date:** [August 1, 2016, 2:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/more-sovereign-citizen-goodness/726478/160 "2016-08-01T14:14:30Z")
> [@steronz](#): > > I’m not big on link bombing the dope, but [this is too good not to see](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RB8katyjc9Q). > > eta: I know this is a couple years old but I’m not sure it’s ever made the rounds. Someone on reddit dug it up yesterday and now it’s on its course. I have seen this several times and it is always good for a laugh. I would dearly love to see the sequels: Sovereign Citizen at the Booking Desk, and Sovereign Citizen Meets the Judge. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/more-sovereign-citizen-goodness/726478.md?page=7) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/more-sovereign-citizen-goodness/726478.md?page=9)