# More UFO cover-ups **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [May 6, 2006, 2:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/more-ufo-cover-ups/355671 "2006-05-06T14:30:40Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![rayh](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e79b87/32.png) [@rayh](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rayh)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2006, 2:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/more-ufo-cover-ups/355671/1 "2006-05-06T14:30:40Z")
Gary Mckinnon, the Briton facing extradition to the US on charges of hacking into US military computers, says he did it it search of surpressed UFO technology. > [@](#): > > I was in search of suppressed technology, laughingly referred to as UFO technology. I think it’s the biggest kept secret in the world because of its comic value, but it’s a very important thing. > > Old-age pensioners can’t pay their fuel bills, countries are invaded to award oil contracts to the West, and meanwhile secretive parts of the secret government are sitting on suppressed technology for free energy. The US apparently has technology for anti-gravity (which he reckons will be made public in the next 7 years), free energy (free energy?), all reverse engineered from captured spacecraft. > [@](#): > > One of these people was a Nasa photographic expert, and she said that in building eight of Johnson Space Centre they regularly airbrushed out images of UFOs from the high-resolution satellite imaging. What she said was there was there: there were folders called “filtered” and “unfiltered”, “processed” and “raw”, something like that. He even managed to see a picture of one of these things. > [@](#): > > But what came on to the screen was amazing. It was a culmination of all my efforts. It was a picture of something that definitely wasn’t man-made. > > It was above the Earth’s hemisphere. It kind of looked like a satellite. It was cigar-shaped and had geodesic domes above, below, to the left, the right and both ends of it, and although it was a low-resolution picture it was very close up. > > This thing was hanging in space, the earth’s hemisphere visible below it, and no rivets, no seams, none of the stuff associated with normal man-made manufacturing. Unfortunately he didn’t manage to save it. > [@](#): > > No, the graphical remote viewer works frame by frame. It’s a Java application, so there’s nothing to save on your hard drive, or at least if it is, only one frame at a time. WTF? He was cut off before he could save a frame. > [@](#): > > Once I was cut off, my picture just disappeared. Although what he did was against the law, he thinks :- > [@](#): > > Firstly, because of what I was looking for, I think I was morally correct. Even though I regret it now, I think the free energy technology should be publicly available. He was only doing it for the public good. :rolleyes: Another conspiracy theorist that thinks the US has managed to keep the lid on these things for years. Who also thinks Iraq was invaded to award oil contracts to the West. Secretive parts of the secret government are surpressing this technology. (Secretive parts of the secret government? Does the secret government have non-secret parts?) The quotes are from the interview [here.](http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/click_online/4977134.stm) The Disclpsure Project, which he mentions with some respect, has it’s website [here](http://www.disclosureproject.org/). ---
**Author:** ![mhendo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mhendo/32/3159_2.png) [@mhendo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mhendo)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2006, 3:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/more-ufo-cover-ups/355671/2 "2006-05-06T15:09:05Z")
[QUOTE=rayh] The US apparently has technology for anti-gravity (which he reckons will be made public in the next 7 years), **free energy (free energy?)**, all reverse engineered from captured spacecraft. [/QUOTE] Bolding mine. Well, he’s right about that one. I got some free energy this morning as i walked around the farmers’ market. It came from the sun, and didn’t cost me a cent. ---
**Author:** ![Garfield226](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/9e8a1a/32.png) [@Garfield226](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Garfield226)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2006, 3:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/more-ufo-cover-ups/355671/3 "2006-05-06T15:40:10Z")
[QUOTE=mhendo] Bolding mine. Well, he’s right about that one. I got some free energy this morning as i walked around the farmers’ market. It came from the sun, and didn’t cost me a cent. [/QUOTE] Hah, but not for long! Wait until next term when the Democrats pass the “Solar Radiation Tax”! Free energy: now there’s REALLY no such thing. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![jjimm](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ba8739/32.png) [@jjimm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jjimm)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2006, 4:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/more-ufo-cover-ups/355671/4 "2006-05-06T16:05:01Z")
[QUOTE=Garfield226] Hah, but not for long! Wait until next term when the Democrats pass the “Solar Radiation Tax”! [/QUOTE] Or the conservatives make it “pay-per-ray”. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Garfield226](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/9e8a1a/32.png) [@Garfield226](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Garfield226)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2006, 4:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/more-ufo-cover-ups/355671/5 "2006-05-06T16:08:47Z")
[QUOTE=jjimm] Or the conservatives make it “pay-per-ray”. 😉 [/QUOTE] As long as we bust this FREE ENERGY MYTH once and for all! 🆒 \<– Exempt from the tax. ---
**Author:** ![appleciders](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/85f322/32.png) [@appleciders](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/appleciders)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2006, 4:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/more-ufo-cover-ups/355671/6 "2006-05-06T16:38:27Z")
It was low-resolution, yet he could see that there were no rivets or seams? Cute. ---
**Author:** ![Robot\_Arm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/robot_arm/32/18280_2.png) [@Robot\_Arm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Robot_Arm)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2006, 5:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/more-ufo-cover-ups/355671/7 "2006-05-06T17:42:45Z")
> [@](#): > > It was above the Earth’s hemisphere. It kind of looked like a satellite. It was cigar-shaped and had geodesic domes above, below, to the left, the right and both ends of it, and although it was a low-resolution picture it was very close up. This sounds a whole lot like the [Valley Forge](http://www.starshipmodeler.com/tech/valleyforge/17_double.jpg) model built for the movie [Silent Running](http://us.imdb.com/title/tt0067756/) What a moron. ---
**Author:** ![AncientHumanoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ancienthumanoid/32/278_2.png) [@AncientHumanoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AncientHumanoid)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2006, 11:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/more-ufo-cover-ups/355671/8 "2006-05-06T23:15:34Z")
UFO coverup… What, like a big shawl or an oversized t-shirt or something? ---
**Author:** ![DeadlyAccurate](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ac91a4/32.png) [@DeadlyAccurate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DeadlyAccurate)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2006, 1:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/more-ufo-cover-ups/355671/9 "2006-05-07T01:12:28Z")
> [@](#): > > No, the graphical remote viewer works frame by frame. It’s a Java application, so there’s nothing to save on your hard drive, or at least if it is, only one frame at a time. So he’s smart enough to hack into a computer, but not smart enough to run FRAPS while he’s doing it? Or to hit Print Screen? ---
**Author:** ![Voyager](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/voyager/32/133_2.png) [@Voyager](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Voyager)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2006, 4:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/more-ufo-cover-ups/355671/10 "2006-05-07T04:28:39Z")
[QUOTE=NoClueBoy] UFO coverup… What, like a big shawl or an oversized t-shirt or something? [/QUOTE] Aliens wearing their UFO bikinis need it. ---
**Author:** ![Leaper](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/4bbf92/32.png) [@Leaper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Leaper)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2006, 4:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/more-ufo-cover-ups/355671/11 "2006-05-07T04:50:10Z")
Wait, the U.S. has free energy AND they invaded Iraq for oil contracts? I can see some twisting that could make that not seem as contradictory as it first appears, but still! ---
**Author:** ![Terrifel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/c68b51/32.png) [@Terrifel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Terrifel)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2006, 5:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/more-ufo-cover-ups/355671/12 "2006-05-07T05:04:33Z")
[QUOTE=Leaper] Wait, the U.S. has free energy AND they invaded Iraq for oil contracts? I can see some twisting that could make that not seem as contradictory as it first appears, but still! [/QUOTE] Plastics, Benjamin. There is a great future in plastics. Think about it. ---
**Author:** ![Sunspace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sunspace/32/1250_2.png) [@Sunspace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sunspace)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2006, 5:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/more-ufo-cover-ups/355671/13 "2006-05-07T05:10:53Z")
[QUOTE=NoClueBoy] UFO coverup… What, like a big shawl or an oversized t-shirt or something? [/QUOTE] No. It’s a cozy. A UFO cozy. All knitted and everything, with a little burnt bit near the engine exhaust. ---
**Author:** ![Dijon\_Warlock](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a9a28c/32.png) [@Dijon\_Warlock](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dijon_Warlock)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2006, 6:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/more-ufo-cover-ups/355671/14 "2006-05-07T06:48:32Z")
[QUOTE=Leaper] Wait, the U.S. has free energy AND they invaded Iraq for oil contracts? I can see some twisting that could make that not seem as contradictory as it first appears, but still! [/QUOTE] [Buying temporarily into the conspiracy mentality] No, you see…the U.S. SECRET GOVERNMENT has free energy, AND They invaded Iraq for oil contracts. SEE??? It’s another case of “The Richer get richer and the Poorer get poorer.” The Richer get richer because they have all the “free energy” technology, so they don’t have to pay a dime to power their whatchamajiggers. The oil contracts that they invaded Iraq for are to get cheap oil to _sell to the REST OF US_ at vastly inflated prices (because of “The War”…shyeah, _right!_) to keep the rest of us destitute whilst they themselves live off the fattadaland. Why can’t you sheeple SEE this? [/Btitcm] ---
**Author:** ![tdn](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/94ad74/32.png) [@tdn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tdn)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2006, 4:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/more-ufo-cover-ups/355671/15 "2006-05-08T16:42:01Z")
[QUOTE=rayh] (free energy?) [/QUOTE] Hey, the trial was rigged. It was just another scapegoat for the Neocons. Energy is innocent. Free Energy! ---
**Author:** ![SpaceDog](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/spacedog/32/9932_2.png) [@SpaceDog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SpaceDog)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2006, 5:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/more-ufo-cover-ups/355671/16 "2006-05-08T17:05:08Z")
[QUOTE=rayh] The Disclpsure Project, which he mentions with some respect, has it’s website [here](http://www.disclosureproject.org/). [/QUOTE] This is probably completely the wrong thread to ask this but what’s the general opinion on the Disclosure Project. They seem frightening organised and convinced for a set of kookbags. Are they just generally regarded as a set of nuts that got organised ? SD ---
**Author:** ![glee](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/b5a626/32.png) [@glee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/glee)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2006, 5:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/more-ufo-cover-ups/355671/17 "2006-05-08T17:58:22Z")
[QUOTE=SpaceDog] This is probably completely the wrong thread to ask this but what’s the general opinion on the Disclosure Project. They seem frightening organised and convinced for a set of kookbags. Are they just generally regarded as a set of nuts that got organised ? SD [/QUOTE] It does make a refreshing change to have a well-laid out UFO website, instead of the usual UFO garishness. However let us look at the evidence they present to support their claims: ‘Without a grant of immunity releasing them from their security oaths, many such unimpeachable witnesses fear to speak out.’ I’m not a lawyer, but I don’t know which law would be used to prosecute people talking about UFO’s. Here is a former US President’s view: “Whatever statement you saw concerning President Carter’s view on UFOs was not exactly what he said. He had seen something that he thought was unexplainable that possibly might have been a UFO and he will certainly disclose and describe any unusual phenomena he might see. He is committed to the fullest possible openness in government and would support full disclosure of material that was not defense sensitive that might relate to UFOs. He did not, however, pledge to “make every piece of information concerning the UFOs available to the public.” There might be some aspects of some sightings that would have defense implications that possibly should be safe-guarded against immediate and full disclosure.” Walter Wurfel, Carter Deputy Press Secretary February 28, 1977 Given that technology has inproved since 1977, what is going on? Has the US been holding on to free energy or anti-gravity all that time? Again from the Disclosure Project: 'The recorded testimony of scores of military, government and other witnesses to Unidentified Flying Objects and Extraterrestrial events and projects from around the world establishes the existence of a UFO/Extraterrestrial presence on and around Earth. ’ No. It doesn’t. Eye-witnesses can be mistaken. The vast majority of UFO sightings have been refuted. There is not one piece of physical evidence, even after decades of claims. No-one has come forward with anything. This fooled people: A Very British UFO Hoax Tale of a UFO hoax which fooled ITV and Sky News bosses in August when a “flying saucer” was seen over the village of Avebury, Wilts. The truth is that it was an elaborate prank which made this programme possible. The 25 foot UFO which circled the area for 10 minutes was really the work of modelmakers whose credits include James Bond movies. People who were fooled and those not tricked take part. [http://uk.tv.yahoo.com/031007/128/eaf1r.html](http://uk.tv.yahoo.com/031007/128/eaf1r.html) ---
**Author:** ![rayh](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e79b87/32.png) [@rayh](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rayh)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2006, 6:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/more-ufo-cover-ups/355671/18 "2006-05-08T18:36:20Z")
To add to the cover-up, the Ministry of Defence has just been forced to release a study it did on UFOs, which was completed in 2000. And what were they covering up? There is nothing out there. > [@](#): > > The 400-page report puts it like this: “No evidence exists to suggest that the phenomena seen are hostile or under any type of control, other than that of natural physical forces.” The story is [here.](http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4981720.stm) ---
**Author:** ![Big\_Norse](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/big_norse/32/9954_2.png) [@Big\_Norse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Big_Norse)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2006, 9:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/more-ufo-cover-ups/355671/19 "2006-05-08T21:31:36Z")
> [@](#): > > This thing was hanging in space, the earth’s hemisphere visible below it, and no rivets, no seams, none of the stuff associated with normal man-made manufacturing. It sounds to me like he got a look at Chicago’s very own [Bean](http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/5d/Cloud_Gate.JPG). ---
**Author:** ![Bookkeeper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bookkeeper/32/281_2.png) [@Bookkeeper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bookkeeper)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2006, 1:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/more-ufo-cover-ups/355671/20 "2006-05-09T13:47:51Z")
[QUOTE=Sunspace] No. It’s a cozy. A UFO cozy. All knitted and everything, with a little burnt bit near the engine exhaust. [/QUOTE] Sort of like [this](http://www.makezine.com/blog/archive/2006/04/knit_tank.html)? [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/more-ufo-cover-ups/355671.md?page=2)