# Mormon Church Issues vast new Transgender restrictions **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [August 22, 2024, 12:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mormon-church-issues-vast-new-transgender-restrictions/1006021 "2024-08-22T00:20:00Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2024, 12:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mormon-church-issues-vast-new-transgender-restrictions/1006021/1 "2024-08-22T00:20:00Z")
> **[Mormon church issues new restrictions on transgender members](https://www.nbcnews.com/nbc-out/out-news/mormon-transgender-restrictions-lds-church-rcna167582)** > > The new policies include a measure to annotate trans members’ records, grouping them with members who have committed sexual violence or child abuse. Apparently the Momon Powers That Be went a bit too far to the left four years ago and are now (far) righting the ship. “The policies, released Monday, include rules barring trans people from working with children, becoming priests and serving as teachers. The church also expanded on an existing rule that barred trans people from being baptized. Trans members will also face possible annotation on their membership records, grouping them with churchgoers who have committed incest, sexual predatory behavior, sexual violence against children and embezzlement of church funds.” ---
**Author:** ![Stranger\_On\_A\_Train](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/13edae/32.png) [@Stranger\_On\_A\_Train](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stranger_On_A_Train)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2024, 12:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mormon-church-issues-vast-new-transgender-restrictions/1006021/2 "2024-08-22T00:24:14Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > Trans members will also face possible annotation on their membership records, grouping them with churchgoers who have committed incest, sexual predatory behavior, sexual violence against children and embezzlement of church funds.” [I’m desperately trying to restrain myself from making a sardonic comment about the company that would put them in _vis-à-vis_ many of the Church Elders.] Stranger ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2024, 1:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mormon-church-issues-vast-new-transgender-restrictions/1006021/3 "2024-08-22T01:36:55Z")
> [@Stranger\_On\_A\_Train](#): > > > [@Czarcasm](#): > > > > Trans members will also face possible annotation on their membership records, **grouping them with churchgoers who have committed incest, sexual predatory behavior, sexual violence against children and embezzlement of church funds.** ” > > [I’m desperately trying to restrain myself from making a sardonic comment about the company that would put them in _vis-à-vis_ many of the Church Elders.] - > > Stranger I’ve got your back. You mean like a lot of them? ---
**Author:** ![Stranger\_On\_A\_Train](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/13edae/32.png) [@Stranger\_On\_A\_Train](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stranger_On_A_Train)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2024, 1:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mormon-church-issues-vast-new-transgender-restrictions/1006021/4 "2024-08-22T01:46:16Z")
> [@running\_coach](#): > > You mean like a lot of them? My lips are sealed…like a LDS settlement non-disclosure agreement . Stranger ---
**Author:** ![bump](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/7c8e57/32.png) [@bump](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bump)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2024, 2:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mormon-church-issues-vast-new-transgender-restrictions/1006021/5 "2024-08-23T14:20:55Z")
Nice how embezzlement is lumped in the same category as sexual violence against children and sexual predators. Or vice-versa. Either way, it’s either kind of materialistic, or it’s not sufficiently condemnatory against the sex crimes people. ---
**Author:** ![Hypno-Toad](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/b2d939/32.png) [@Hypno-Toad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hypno-Toad)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2024, 2:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mormon-church-issues-vast-new-transgender-restrictions/1006021/6 "2024-08-23T14:21:13Z")
I like how they believe stealing money from the church is as depraved as sexual violence against children. ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2024, 2:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mormon-church-issues-vast-new-transgender-restrictions/1006021/7 "2024-08-23T14:37:56Z")
But it is nice that they made it clear that enough churchgoers have committed; _incest, sexual predatory behavior, and sexual violence against children_ that they needed to have a policy of annotating membership records to ‘’‘’‘deal with it’‘’‘’. ---
**Author:** ![Pleonast](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pleonast/32/1183_2.png) [@Pleonast](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pleonast)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2024, 2:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mormon-church-issues-vast-new-transgender-restrictions/1006021/8 "2024-08-23T14:51:42Z")
Better than them _not_ having a list. ---
**Author:** ![Just\_Asking\_Questions](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ba9def/32.png) [@Just\_Asking\_Questions](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Just_Asking_Questions)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2024, 4:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mormon-church-issues-vast-new-transgender-restrictions/1006021/9 "2024-08-23T16:23:34Z")
I think it would be a self-limiting rule, because I can’t imagine why any transgendered person would ever want to stay in a church that hates them. Ye, I know they are raised from birth to accept everything, but people do have free will. What is the worst that happens - you lose friends and family. Well, bub, as a transgendered Mormom, you’ve already lost them. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2024, 4:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mormon-church-issues-vast-new-transgender-restrictions/1006021/10 "2024-08-23T16:58:08Z")
> [@Just\_Asking\_Questions](#): > > because I can’t imagine why any transgendered person would ever want to stay in a church that hates them. Log Cabin Republicans. ---
**Author:** ![Beckdawrek](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/beckdawrek/32/3647_2.png) [@Beckdawrek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Beckdawrek)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2024, 5:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mormon-church-issues-vast-new-transgender-restrictions/1006021/11 "2024-08-23T17:23:43Z")
I’ve never understood why gays and trans even bother with organized religion. Heck, I never understood why anyone does. It seems such a stifling and restricted environment. Not me. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2024, 5:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mormon-church-issues-vast-new-transgender-restrictions/1006021/12 "2024-08-23T17:27:45Z")
Because indoctrination _works_. ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2024, 5:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mormon-church-issues-vast-new-transgender-restrictions/1006021/13 "2024-08-23T17:28:52Z")
Gay Catholics ---
**Author:** ![filmore](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/7993a0/32.png) [@filmore](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/filmore)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2024, 5:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mormon-church-issues-vast-new-transgender-restrictions/1006021/14 "2024-08-23T17:32:40Z")
It depends if you consider religion like a social club or that it’s the truth. If you think of it like a social club, then it’s about finding a particular social club you enjoy. If you don’t like the Kiwanis, join the Shriners. But if you think it’s real and is the meaning of life, then leaving the religion means being cast away from god. That has implications for your day-to-day life, as well as what happens in your afterlife. If you truly believe the Mormon religion is true, then you need to stick with it in order to have a prosperous afterlife. If you leave, then you will suffer whatever penalty the Mormons believe happens to those who turn their backs on the religion. While I agree that people who are prosecuted in a religion should leave that religion, I also understand that those people may think the religion is real. They may be dealing with the feelings of knowing that they are acting in sinful ways and will have to deal with the penalties of those sins. They may feel that the penalties for leaving the religion will be worse than staying in the religion. ---
**Author:** ![kenobi\_65](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kenobi_65/32/13178_2.png) [@kenobi\_65](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kenobi_65)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2024, 5:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mormon-church-issues-vast-new-transgender-restrictions/1006021/15 "2024-08-23T17:33:48Z")
> [@Beckdawrek](#): > > I’ve never understood why gays and trans even bother with organized religion. There are a number of more liberal/progressive Christian denominations which are welcoming to LGBTQ+ members (and even clergy). The ongoing schism in the United Methodist Church is over this very topic; the more conservative faction of the UMC, which has been bitterly opposed to revise church laws to be accepting of homosexuality, is largely leaving the denomination over it, most of them departing to join a new, more conservative denomination, the Global Methodist Church. (I proudly belong to a liberal UMC congregation, which has been very open about welcoming all sexual orientations and gender identities for a number of years.) ---
**Author:** ![Saint\_Cad](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/saint_cad/32/18907_2.png) [@Saint\_Cad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Saint_Cad)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2024, 5:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mormon-church-issues-vast-new-transgender-restrictions/1006021/16 "2024-08-23T17:36:59Z")
Gotta say, maybe the Roman Catholic Church could learn from the CoLDS in not having sexual predators work with children (as priests). ---
**Author:** ![Just\_Asking\_Questions](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ba9def/32.png) [@Just\_Asking\_Questions](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Just_Asking_Questions)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2024, 5:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mormon-church-issues-vast-new-transgender-restrictions/1006021/17 "2024-08-23T17:45:34Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > Log Cabin Republicans. Like I said…I can’t imagine. I mean, gay republicans, your party of choice wants you DEAD. Not a lot of room for compromise there. > [@Beckdawrek](#): > > Heck, I never understood why anyone does. I consider organized religion the biggest waste of time, ever. Except for golf. ---
**Author:** ![Horatius](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/horatius/32/3572_2.png) [@Horatius](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Horatius)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2024, 5:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mormon-church-issues-vast-new-transgender-restrictions/1006021/18 "2024-08-23T17:55:31Z")
> [@filmore](#): > > But if you think it’s real and is the meaning of life, then leaving the religion means being cast away from god. That has implications for your day-to-day life, as well as what happens in your afterlife. Bu then, if you really believe that, then you should also believe what they say about who you are. If being gay is sinful, then they should strive to avoid gayness, and stop complaining about not being allowed to be priests and whatnot. Maybe become a monk, and just withdraw from the world and all temptations, or something. ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2024, 6:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mormon-church-issues-vast-new-transgender-restrictions/1006021/19 "2024-08-23T18:13:45Z")
> [@kenobi\_65](#): > > There are a number of more liberal/progressive Christian denominations which are welcoming to LGBTQ+ members (and even clergy). The Episcopal Church where I sing in the choir on Sunday is extremely welcoming and liberal. In fact, the recently retired rector was a lesbian married to a woman. ---
**Author:** ![Beckdawrek](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/beckdawrek/32/3647_2.png) [@Beckdawrek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Beckdawrek)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2024, 6:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mormon-church-issues-vast-new-transgender-restrictions/1006021/20 "2024-08-23T18:25:21Z")
Well, I hear golf is a religion too. [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mormon-church-issues-vast-new-transgender-restrictions/1006021.md?page=2)