# Mormons and gays - again! **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [October 12, 2000, 3:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mormons-and-gays-again/36675 "2000-10-12T15:15:19Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 13\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![Falcon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/49beb7/32.png) [@Falcon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Falcon)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2000, 6:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mormons-and-gays-again/36675/101 "2000-10-16T18:30:33Z")
Diane - Thank you for saying what I wanted to. ---
**Author:** ![DavisMcDavis](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/dfb087/32.png) [@DavisMcDavis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DavisMcDavis)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2000, 6:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mormons-and-gays-again/36675/102 "2000-10-16T18:56:48Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Squidwife \* > \*\*I have gay aquaintances who know that I do not believe in same-sex relationships. \*\* It’s amazing that you don’t “believe” in same-sex relationships when they’re visible all around you, yet you ARE able to believe that God wants you to wear special underwear and avoid coffee. ---
**Author:** ![Esprix](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/esprix/32/7899_2.png) [@Esprix](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Esprix)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2000, 7:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mormons-and-gays-again/36675/103 "2000-10-16T19:03:08Z")
Ooo… pain… hurts… ow… Esprix ---
**Author:** ![Fenris](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fenris/32/498_2.png) [@Fenris](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fenris)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2000, 7:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mormons-and-gays-again/36675/104 "2000-10-16T19:06:24Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Diane \* > \*\*[hijack] > > > [@](#): > > > > Awhile back snark posted that being homosexual made him miserable. > > I would like him to clairfy what he meant; Why does it make you miserable? > > You know, I would think you would have more respect for someone that you once claimed to have loved than to keep dragging him over the coals with your obvious bitterness over your broken relationship. > > I think that most of us here already know why being homosexual makes Bill miserable. It isn’t like he has kept it a secret. Besides, he doesn’t owe any of us an answer to your question. > > Speaking only for myself, I don’t appreciate the unnecessary digs you keep throwing at him. I find them cruel and tactless. > > [/hijack] \*\* Diane, As a long-time lurker, occasional poster, let me add “Me too.” I’ve watched the Vanilla/Snark thing, (although I missed the breakup) and am getting frankly disgusted with watching Vanilla snipe at Snark and dredge their personal issues up (Esprix commented on this too). The private stuff one learns about someone in a relationship should stay private after the breakup. Anything else is just pathetic. Fenris ---
**Author:** ![Esprix](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/esprix/32/7899_2.png) [@Esprix](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Esprix)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2000, 8:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mormons-and-gays-again/36675/105 "2000-10-16T20:36:32Z")
No questions were answered in [this thread](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?threadid=39785). Esprix ---
**Author:** ![vanilla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/f19dbf/32.png) [@vanilla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/vanilla)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2000, 10:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mormons-and-gays-again/36675/106 "2000-10-16T22:21:20Z")
It still amazes me that anyoen would think I am throwing digs or insults at snark. I cannot imagine it as I do not feel any ill will towards him. I was questioning, as lots of others here have, Mormonism. I thought I could get answers. I _am_ wondering why being who he is makes him miserable. I cannot see what you people are seeing; that it seems I am insulting him; I have no clue how anyone could take it that way, he certainly didn’t tell me so a few hours ago. May as well call me clueless, since I amc certainly not vindictive in the least. I am stumped. ---
**Author:** ![vanilla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/f19dbf/32.png) [@vanilla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/vanilla)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2000, 10:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mormons-and-gays-again/36675/107 "2000-10-16T22:40:59Z")
I have not posted any “private stuff” about snark. He has posted everything I have ever mentioned and then some. Apparently its wrong of me to even discuss Mormonism or homosexuality on the sdmb. ANy mention of snark, even saying what color he likes will be construed as an “insult” against him. Or maybe you guys who have thought I was insulting him are the ones who are clueless. I will never mention his name again since it offends everyone here so much. He also knows I wish him the best and we e mail regularly. ---
**Author:** ![andros](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e480ec/32.png) [@andros](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/andros)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2000, 10:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mormons-and-gays-again/36675/108 "2000-10-16T22:55:16Z")
but thanks, **Satan**. I love you too. **Rose** , you may not intend to snipe at Snark, but it sure looks that way from out here. ---
**Author:** ![Polycarp](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/82dd89/32.png) [@Polycarp](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Polycarp)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2000, 12:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mormons-and-gays-again/36675/109 "2000-10-17T00:24:21Z")
[Let me preface this by stating that I pre-consent to the deletion of this post by either of the people named in it if it in any way offends either of them. John, Alphagene, Lynn, please honor their wishes if they so request. Thanks!] My distinct impression of the Vanilla/Snark situation is that Rose has absolutely no problem with Bill’s sexuality. She is concerned (and in her inimitable style makes public comments to that effect) about his problems in coming to terms with it himself. And she is at sea about the problems his religious beliefs have caused, both as regards his own self-image and with regard to their relationship, and brought the subject up here because as a Mormon who has (he would say “suffers from”) same-sex attraction, he is the obvious person to comment in detail on the subject matter Esprix began this thread with, way back when. Without going into any personal-life details, have I summarized things accurately for the two of you? I don’t see Rose as “sniping” – though I certainly can see where her comments, if read as vindictive, would be considered such. But my distinct impression is that she accepts Bill’s sexuality without reservation, and wishes that **he** would. ---
**Author:** ![vanilla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/f19dbf/32.png) [@vanilla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/vanilla)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2000, 2:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mormons-and-gays-again/36675/110 "2000-10-17T14:24:37Z")
Thank you Poly. You “got it” right. Maybe someday Mormonism will change to allow homosexuality, after all, they did change their stance on blacks. So there is hope after all. ---
**Author:** ![Satan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e9bcb4/32.png) [@Satan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Satan)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2000, 3:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mormons-and-gays-again/36675/111 "2000-10-17T15:43:11Z")
I don’t think they will ever “change to allow homosexuality,” as that is not what they are about. I do wish they would quit the fucking lobbying techniques against those who do not chare their views, however, which is the crux of this thread, I think. Or was, at any rate… * * * Yer pal, [Satan](http://www.members.tripod.com/jmspoofe/sdmb/satan.jpg) \*I HAVE BEEN SMOKE-FREE FOR: Six months, one week, one day, 13 hours, 47 minutes and 14 seconds. 7662 cigarettes not smoked, saving $957.87. Extra life with Drain Bead: 3 weeks, 5 days, 14 hours, 30 minutes. **I slept with a moderator!** \* ---
**Author:** ![vanilla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/f19dbf/32.png) [@vanilla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/vanilla)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2000, 8:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mormons-and-gays-again/36675/112 "2000-10-17T20:17:22Z")
What is their stance of the boy scouts regarding not allowing homosexuals in or as leaders? I thought they supported the scouts fully. What if the scouts adopt a everybody welcome stance, including homosexuals? Would the church still support the scouts? ---
**Author:** ![smilingjaws](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b782af/32.png) [@smilingjaws](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/smilingjaws)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2000, 11:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mormons-and-gays-again/36675/113 "2000-10-17T23:36:21Z")
My bet is if the Scouts accepted homosexuals, the lds would bail. After all, they don’t support Girl Scouts for their girls they way they do Boy Scouts for boys–teaches girls to be independent, doncha know. I just want to know when the IRS is going to investigate their tax exempt status since they have become a lobbying group against changes in civil marriage laws. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mormons-and-gays-again/36675.md?page=5)