# Mormons aren't Mormons anymore **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Created:** [August 18, 2018, 6:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mormons-arent-mormons-anymore/819822 "2018-08-18T06:11:01Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![Qadgop\_the\_Mercotan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/qadgop_the_mercotan/32/83_2.png) [@Qadgop\_the\_Mercotan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Qadgop_the_Mercotan)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2018, 9:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mormons-arent-mormons-anymore/819822/81 "2018-08-20T21:41:05Z")
> [@DavidwithanR](#): > > I dunno. I rate your chances at least slightly higher than those still in the grip. 🙂 As a member of Alcoholics Anonymous, I can positively declare that we alkies are not saints. It says so in our big book. 😉 In fact, when one of our recent conferences (which I attended) was held in New Orleans, the official motto for that conference was “We are not saints”. 🆒 😃 I make no pronouncements about the sanctity about those LDs/Mormom/whatever types ---
**Author:** ![Nawth\_Chucka](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/c57346/32.png) [@Nawth\_Chucka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nawth_Chucka)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2018, 9:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mormons-arent-mormons-anymore/819822/82 "2018-08-20T21:42:08Z")
> [@Qadgop\_the\_Mercotan](#): > > I don’t know what they will now call those of us who are not part of their church, but I know that we are not saints. Laughably enough, we’re gentiles; or worse, agents of Satan. ---
**Author:** ![harmonicamoon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/65b543/32.png) [@harmonicamoon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/harmonicamoon)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2018, 9:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mormons-arent-mormons-anymore/819822/83 "2018-08-20T21:48:15Z")
Used to be that the ones that have left the fold were called Jack-Mormons. So, obviously they are now known as Jack-Church of Jesus Christ of Latter day saints. Don’t mean to hi-Jack the thread. ---
**Author:** ![Qadgop\_the\_Mercotan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/qadgop_the_mercotan/32/83_2.png) [@Qadgop\_the\_Mercotan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Qadgop_the_Mercotan)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2018, 9:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mormons-arent-mormons-anymore/819822/84 "2018-08-20T21:53:17Z")
> [@Nawth\_Chucka](#): > > Laughably enough, we’re gentiles; or worse, agents of Satan. It used to really irk my jewish friends to be called ‘gentiles’ by the mormons. Talk about ignorance of history . . . ---
**Author:** ![Nawth\_Chucka](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/c57346/32.png) [@Nawth\_Chucka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nawth_Chucka)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2018, 10:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mormons-arent-mormons-anymore/819822/85 "2018-08-20T22:04:07Z")
> [@Qadgop\_the\_Mercotan](#): > > It used to really irk my jewish friends to be called ‘gentiles’ by the mormons. Talk about ignorance of history . . . Oh, they’re not ignorant of it; they simply believe their historic Zion came after that of the Jews (who are descended from Cain via the Lamanites [a fake race created as a cover story to explain keeping people of color in powerless positions] so they have a greater sinful nature to overcome) b/c don’tcha know Jesus came to the Americas to minister to the Native Americans? In practice, to be fair, all the years I’ve lived in Utah I’ve never been called a Gentile by an LDS-oriented person, or heard them use the term. They just say non-Mormon. ---
**Author:** ![DavidwithanR](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/3bc359/32.png) [@DavidwithanR](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DavidwithanR)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2018, 10:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mormons-arent-mormons-anymore/819822/86 "2018-08-20T22:04:09Z")
> [@Qadgop\_the\_Mercotan](#): > > It used to really irk my jewish friends to be called ‘gentiles’ by the mormons. Talk about ignorance of history . . . That is pretty extreme… Though I guess in their defence literally “gentiles” means little more than “the other guys”, it’s a word that everyone knows what it really means. Except a chosen few hahaha. ---
**Author:** ![JRDelirious](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jrdelirious/32/9531_2.png) [@JRDelirious](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JRDelirious)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2018, 10:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mormons-arent-mormons-anymore/819822/87 "2018-08-20T22:04:35Z")
As an aside: > [@Qadgop\_the\_Mercotan](#): > > As a member of Alcoholics Anonymous, I can positively declare that we alkies are not saints. It says so in our big book. 😉 > > In fact, when one of our recent conferences (which I attended) was held in New Orleans, the official motto for that conference was “We are not saints”. 🆒 > > 😃 At first glance it would seem rather ballsy to hold an AA conference in New Orleans. Then you realize just looking around you’ll see plenty of live examples of what can go wrong to act as a deterrent. ---
**Author:** ![DavidwithanR](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/3bc359/32.png) [@DavidwithanR](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DavidwithanR)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2018, 10:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mormons-arent-mormons-anymore/819822/88 "2018-08-20T22:10:56Z")
> [@Qadgop\_the\_Mercotan](#): > > As a member of Alcoholics Anonymous, I can positively declare that we alkies are not saints. It says so in our big book. 😉 > > In fact, when one of our recent conferences (which I attended) was held in New Orleans, the official motto for that conference was “We are not saints”. 🆒 > > 😃 Next conference will be held in New Jersey during hockey season - motto obsolete? 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![HurricaneDitka](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/96bed5/32.png) [@HurricaneDitka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HurricaneDitka)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2018, 11:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mormons-arent-mormons-anymore/819822/89 "2018-08-20T23:11:13Z")
> [@Riemann](#): > > If you Google “Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints”, the top 3 hits are Wikipedia, **[lds.org](http://lds.org)** and **[mormon.org](http://mormon.org)**. I know some of the guys that work on their SEO. > [@John\_Mace](#): > > Would newspapers, like the NYT, honor that request? That is, will the style guide recommend using “The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints” instead of “Mormon” or even “LDS”? In the past, they have not (honored the request). ---
**Author:** ![JB99](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/439d5e/32.png) [@JB99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JB99)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2018, 11:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mormons-arent-mormons-anymore/819822/90 "2018-08-20T23:15:11Z")
I will now refuse to call them anything but “Mormons.” ---
**Author:** ![HurricaneDitka](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/96bed5/32.png) [@HurricaneDitka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HurricaneDitka)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2018, 11:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mormons-arent-mormons-anymore/819822/91 "2018-08-20T23:15:41Z")
> [@Nawth\_Chucka](#): > > Oh, they’re not ignorant of it; they simply believe their historic Zion came after that of the Jews (who are descended from Cain via the Lamanites [a fake race created as a cover story to explain keeping people of color in powerless positions] so they have a greater sinful nature to overcome) b/c don’tcha know Jesus came to the Americas to minister to the Native Americans? > In practice, to be fair, all the years I’ve lived in Utah I’ve never been called a Gentile by an LDS-oriented person, or heard them use the term. They just say non-Mormon. It’s usually “non-member” in everyday usage. I suppose “non-Mormon” is / was fairly common too. “Gentile” is rather rarely used, and probably almost as often used in the context of “Jew and Gentile” as it is used to refer to non-members as “Gentiles”. ---
**Author:** ![HurricaneDitka](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/96bed5/32.png) [@HurricaneDitka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HurricaneDitka)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2018, 11:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mormons-arent-mormons-anymore/819822/92 "2018-08-20T23:17:09Z")
> [@JB99](#): > > I will now refuse to call them anything but “Mormons.” _shrug_ Given some of the derogatory names posted in this thread, if we could get more people to adopt this practice, it would probably be a net improvement. ---
**Author:** ![DavidwithanR](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/3bc359/32.png) [@DavidwithanR](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DavidwithanR)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2018, 11:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mormons-arent-mormons-anymore/819822/93 "2018-08-20T23:34:23Z")
Last I checked regarding US law, truth is a legitimate defense against libel charges. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Riemann](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/riemann/32/3133_2.png) [@Riemann](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Riemann)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2018, 11:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mormons-arent-mormons-anymore/819822/94 "2018-08-20T23:35:39Z")
I think they should just _embrace_ the whole “Mormon” thing, and go for brand recognition. How about changing the name of Salt Lake City to Mordor? ---
**Author:** ![Nawth\_Chucka](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/c57346/32.png) [@Nawth\_Chucka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nawth_Chucka)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2018, 12:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mormons-arent-mormons-anymore/819822/95 "2018-08-21T00:02:53Z")
> [@Riemann](#): > > I think they should just _embrace_ the whole “Mormon” thing, and go for brand recognition. How about changing the name of Salt Lake City to Mordor? There’s already The Morridor; Idaho, Utah, Nevada and Arizona, where there are a shitload of practicing Mormons (including the infamous polygamist Short Creek area). Funnily enough, Salt Lake City itself is comparatively liberal and incredibly LGBT friendly. At the same time the church has its big moneymaker, City Creek Mall in SLC; a report I heard when it opened was that it was expected to earn a billion dollars for the church in its first decade. Can you imagine the confusion if the Catholic church built The Mall of America? That’s what’s in my head each time I see City Creek. ---
**Author:** ![StusBlues](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/dc4da7/32.png) [@StusBlues](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/StusBlues)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2018, 12:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mormons-arent-mormons-anymore/819822/96 "2018-08-21T00:08:30Z")
I was just talking to my boss today about how I try to use LDS as the preferred nomenclature, but it’s kind of useless if nobody knows what it means. Intriguingly enough, he was asking if I was dating a particular friend. I said no, we were fundamentally incompatible because she was LDS. He tried to puzzle out what that meant (his first try was “Lesbian Dyke Slut”) before I clued him in. ---
**Author:** ![Grestarian](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/grestarian/32/3227_2.png) [@Grestarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Grestarian)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2018, 12:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mormons-arent-mormons-anymore/819822/97 "2018-08-21T00:20:53Z")
> [@DavidwithanR](#): > > It might be none of the above. It might be a ruse to distract other Morons, to keep them from (a) ratting and (b) leaving. > > Probably the best way to fix the Latter-day Saints is to publish their real doctrines and real practices widely. For ex-Mormons to give detailed accounts of what goes on. Hmm…that didn’t seem to rejuvenate the Catholic church very well\*. Why would anyone think it would help the aspiring usurpers? –G? - Someone told me last week that there’s a new wave of \*predatory pedophile Priest \*stories surfacing lately. ☹ ---
**Author:** ![TokyoBayer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tokyobayer/32/13989_2.png) [@TokyoBayer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TokyoBayer)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2018, 1:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mormons-arent-mormons-anymore/819822/98 "2018-08-21T01:16:55Z")
> [@Nawth\_Chucka](#): > > Oh, they’re not ignorant of it; they simply believe their historic Zion came after that of the Jews (who are descended from Cain via the Lamanites [a fake race created as a cover story to explain keeping people of color in powerless positions] so they have a greater sinful nature to overcome) b/c don’tcha know Jesus came to the Americas to minister to the Native Americans? > In practice, to be fair, all the years I’ve lived in Utah I’ve never been called a Gentile by an LDS-oriented person, or heard them use the term. They just say non-Mormon. Hmmmmm. I’m not sure I’ve seen more misconceptions at one time! 😛 So: The Jews are not descended from Cain. The Lamanites are descendents of Jew as are the Nephites. These both come from the same literal family, with Nephi, the obvious stand-in for Joseph Smith, raising up a race of “white and delightsome” people while the Lamanites were indeed cursed with dark skin because they were evil. And God doesn’t like the seeds of different races mixed. I grew up in the 60s and 70s with a somewhat different version of Mormonism than what’s more mainstream now. Back then, it was widely accepted and preached by leaders that the Blacks were of the race of Cain, and were cursed. However, the curse was because in the pre-existance, (where we all were) there was a huge fight, Jesus and us followers prevailed. Satan in his followers were kicked out. Them Blacks were fence sitters and weren’t worthy of getting the priesthood or going to the temple. I have no idea how widespread this belief is now. The ban on the priesthood / temple attendance was lifted in 1978 and maybe enough time has passed that it’s fading away. ---
**Author:** ![TreacherousCretin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/treacherouscretin/32/476_2.png) [@TreacherousCretin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TreacherousCretin)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2018, 1:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mormons-arent-mormons-anymore/819822/99 "2018-08-21T01:44:52Z")
> [@Baker](#): > > I tried to read the Book of Mormon once. After about a million repeats of “and it came to pass” I did take a pass and quit reading. Mark Twain, commenting on the Book Of Mormon, in “Roughing It”: _The author labored to give his words and phrases the quaint, old-fashioned sound and structure of our King James’s translation of the Scriptures… Whenever he found his speech growing too modern – which was about every sentence or two – he ladled in a few such Scriptural phrases as “exceeding sore,” “and it came to pass,” etc., and made things satisfactory again. “And it came to pass” was his pet. If he had left that out, his Bible would have been only a pamphlet._ ---
**Author:** ![kopek](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kopek/32/337_2.png) [@kopek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kopek)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2018, 2:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mormons-arent-mormons-anymore/819822/100 "2018-08-21T02:12:44Z")
Anyone else read the title of the thread and flash on the Pluto-no-longer-a-planet-scientist-mad-with-power bit from Robot Chicken? Just me? Oh well. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mormons-arent-mormons-anymore/819822.md?page=4) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mormons-arent-mormons-anymore/819822.md?page=6)