# Mornington Crescent question **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [September 23, 2010, 5:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mornington-crescent-question/554794 "2010-09-23T17:52:18Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2010, 5:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mornington-crescent-question/554794/81 "2010-09-28T17:40:54Z")
**Tottenham Hale** and one red token, doubled. ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2010, 5:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mornington-crescent-question/554794/82 "2010-09-28T17:43:00Z")
And let me point out the the Dollis Hill loop is not foreclosed yet by any means, although I must admit that the Bank-to-Oval play above forced that possibility into pretty unlikely straits. ---
**Author:** ![Gangster\_Octopus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/a8b319/32.png) [@Gangster\_Octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gangster_Octopus)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2010, 5:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mornington-crescent-question/554794/83 "2010-09-28T17:50:29Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > And let me point out the the Dollis Hill loop is not foreclosed yet by any means, although I must admit that the Bank-to-Oval play above forced that possibility into pretty unlikely straits. **Heathrow Terminal 4**. Yes, I am a very conservative player. ---
**Author:** ![ianzin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/ed655f/32.png) [@ianzin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ianzin)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2010, 6:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mornington-crescent-question/554794/84 "2010-09-28T18:05:57Z")
I move Bricker’s red token into snit, and go **Ickenham** with Ruislips blind. ---
**Author:** ![Wargamer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/df705f/32.png) [@Wargamer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wargamer)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2010, 6:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mornington-crescent-question/554794/85 "2010-09-28T18:49:53Z")
Ruislips blinds off a Red Snit leads invariably to **Bermondsey**. That should foreclose **ianzin** ’s threatened **Surrey Quay** transfer. I think we all remember what happened in the '03 Singapore Sling Open when Jamison didn’t respond to Glyck’s Red Snit Coup! ---
**Author:** ![ianzin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/ed655f/32.png) [@ianzin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ianzin)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2010, 7:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mornington-crescent-question/554794/86 "2010-09-28T19:04:52Z")
What is this ‘Surrey Quay’ of which you speak? Any relation to ‘South Quay’ on the DLR? ---
**Author:** ![Giles](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/giles/32/60_2.png) [@Giles](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Giles)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2010, 7:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mornington-crescent-question/554794/87 "2010-09-28T19:10:39Z")
> [@ianzin](#): > > What is this ‘Surrey Quay’ of which you speak? Any relation to ‘South Quay’ on the DLR? There’s a [Surrey Quays station](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Surrey_Quays_railway_station), which re-opened in April 2010. ---
**Author:** ![ianzin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/ed655f/32.png) [@ianzin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ianzin)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2010, 7:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mornington-crescent-question/554794/88 "2010-09-28T19:32:55Z")
Yes, but it re-opened as part of the _Overground_. ---
**Author:** ![Giles](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/giles/32/60_2.png) [@Giles](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Giles)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2010, 7:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mornington-crescent-question/554794/89 "2010-09-28T19:40:13Z")
> [@ianzin](#): > > Yes, but it re-opened as part of the _Overground_. Hmm, I can see a possible schism here, with the traditionalists eschewing and modernists welcoming the London Overground. ---
**Author:** ![Mollie\_Magill](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mollie_magill/32/20882_2.png) [@Mollie\_Magill](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mollie_Magill)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2010, 7:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mornington-crescent-question/554794/90 "2010-09-28T19:53:52Z")
Reminds me of my honeymoon. Mrs. Magill and I went to Sydney. We were at a pub near our hotel, and joined in (what we thought was) a friendly game of Summer Hill, a local variant of MC. We both consented ourselves to very conservative plays, not being familiar with the local rules. Rounders were called, nibs were up and stops were at the tables. I had just called Redfern (about as conservative play as could be made in that situation), when some Bruce called out Quakers Hill. A fistfight broke out. I kid you not. ---
**Author:** ![ianzin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/ed655f/32.png) [@ianzin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ianzin)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2010, 8:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mornington-crescent-question/554794/91 "2010-09-28T20:00:48Z")
I don’t think it’s about tradition or modernism or anything else, and there’s certainly no need for talk of a schism. MC is played using the [stations of the London Underground](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tube_station_list). Always has been, always will be. I know that in certain circumstances there are variations, such as games played using the French or New York metro and so on. But MC is never played using [London Overground stations](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/London_Overground#Stations), one good reason being that MC itself isn’t one. ---
**Author:** ![Giles](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/giles/32/60_2.png) [@Giles](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Giles)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2010, 8:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mornington-crescent-question/554794/92 "2010-09-28T20:06:26Z")
> [@Mollie\_Magill](#): > > … some Bruce called out Quakers Hill. > > A fistfight broke out. I kid you not. That’s almost as bad as using Mount Kuring-gai responding to a City Circle gambit. The last time that happened, the Leichhardt RSL Club was burned to the ground, and three players and one innocent bystander lost their lives. ---
**Author:** ![Tapioca\_Dextrin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Tapioca\_Dextrin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tapioca_Dextrin)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2010, 10:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mornington-crescent-question/554794/93 "2010-09-28T22:56:12Z")
> [@Mollie\_Magill](#): > > I had just called Redfern (about as conservative play as could be made in that situation), when some Bruce called out Quakers Hill. Nice to see you … play so sensibly 😃 ---
**Author:** ![lynne-42](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lynne-42/32/3138_2.png) [@lynne-42](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lynne-42)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2010, 12:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mornington-crescent-question/554794/94 "2010-09-29T00:33:35Z")
> [@Giles](#): > > That’s almost as bad as using Mount Kuring-gai responding to a City Circle gambit. The last time that happened, the Leichhardt RSL Club was burned to the ground, and three players and one innocent bystander lost their lives. I was up there for that event. Only play in Victoria now. Much safer games. Pity about the Diamond Creek FC Hall, but. **Paddington.** ---
**Author:** ![ianzin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/ed655f/32.png) [@ianzin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ianzin)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2010, 12:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mornington-crescent-question/554794/95 "2010-09-29T00:45:11Z")
Paddington?? The last legal play was Bermondsey, and Ruislips are blind. How on earth are you going to get to Paddington, given that you’ve previously played Woodford and have therefore used your blunt? I know you’re on colonial zone time and rules, but even so, I just don’t get it. Am I missing something? ---
**Author:** ![lynne-42](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lynne-42/32/3138_2.png) [@lynne-42](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lynne-42)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2010, 1:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mornington-crescent-question/554794/96 "2010-09-29T01:09:06Z")
Blladdersby & Withers, 2010, pages 234-6. I’ve been longing for this chance! ---
**Author:** ![septimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/septimus/32/410_2.png) [@septimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/septimus)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2010, 7:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mornington-crescent-question/554794/97 "2010-09-29T07:23:43Z")
> [@ianzin](#): > > Paddington?? > > The last legal play was Bermondsey, and Ruislips are blind. How on earth are you going to get to Paddington, given that you’ve previously played Woodford and have therefore used your blunt? I know you’re on colonial zone time and rules, but even so, I just don’t get it. Am I missing something? > [@lynne-42](#): > > Blladdersby & Withers, 2010, pages 234-6. I’ve been longing for this chance! Uhh. I hope you’re not expecting me to adjudicate this dispute. As I say, all I have is _Bethlem Hospital: Recreations for the Inmate_ (1936 ed.). I’m still trying to figure out if **Malacandra** ’s declaration of “Frying Bacon” is what we at Bethlem call “Flying Bacon.” ---
**Author:** ![ianzin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/ed655f/32.png) [@ianzin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ianzin)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2010, 8:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mornington-crescent-question/554794/98 "2010-09-29T08:26:05Z")
Well, someone’s going to have to come up with some sort of adjudication. I just can’t see that it can work, and I’m not sure anything in B&W provides a sound technical justification (although it’s a long time since I read their words of wisdom and I no longer have a copy). Nothing personal about this **Lynne**. I enjoy your gameplay very much, and admire your ingenuity. But I just don’t see how this works. **Septimus** - good call on the ‘frying / flying’ distinction. As far as I’m aware, ‘frying’ is the preferred designation, but ‘flying’ is an acceptable variation and is _understood_ to amount to the same thing for all practical purposes. What was _really_ weird was one player’s declaration of ‘filing bacon’, which caused a minor rumpus during the Asian Conference League elimination stages back in '94. It turned out to just be a translation error on the match records, of course, but for a while it had the judges scratching their heads and thumbing through Bonn & Askernas like a twister through Kansas! Incidentally, **Septimus** , some of us have been wondering if the ‘Bethlem’ hospital rules have much in common with the ‘Bethlehem’ rules. ---
**Author:** ![lynne-42](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lynne-42/32/3138_2.png) [@lynne-42](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lynne-42)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2010, 9:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mornington-crescent-question/554794/99 "2010-09-29T09:46:29Z")
**Ianzin** : Bladdersby & Withers, 2010 has only been out a few months. You must be thinking of Bladdersby, James & Withers, 2001. B&W (2010) were picking up on Franciscus’ incredible quadruple Waterloo in the Paris Masters, 1999. There was fourteen hours of very heated debate in the adjudication over that one. The critical point is that there has been no play of **Buckhurst Hill** despite a call of **Woodford**. Got it now? If no-one has B&W, 2010, yet, then in the spirit of a Friendly, I will withdraw **Paddington** and play **Liverpool Street**. Stay really safe. But I know I had MC in four! ---
**Author:** ![Sevastopol](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/cdc98d/32.png) [@Sevastopol](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sevastopol)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2010, 10:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mornington-crescent-question/554794/100 "2010-09-29T10:11:55Z")
Suspended from international play for 27 months (rather not tip you to the year - one must keep up anonymity) Permitted only a late, wildcard play from outside the main zones: **Adelstrop** - there I’ve done it. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mornington-crescent-question/554794.md?page=4) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mornington-crescent-question/554794.md?page=6)