# MortSahlFan: Come on down, you twat! **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [February 4, 2020, 4:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mortsahlfan-come-on-down-you-twat/847483 "2020-02-04T16:46:04Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2020, 11:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mortsahlfan-come-on-down-you-twat/847483/41 "2020-02-04T23:28:32Z")
The best way to determine that a troll isn’t Russian, is to figure out that they are taking their time while posting. ---
**Author:** ![Colibri](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colibri/32/1841_2.png) [@Colibri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colibri)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2020, 12:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mortsahlfan-come-on-down-you-twat/847483/42 "2020-02-05T00:05:44Z")
> [@Pleonast](#): > > I do not believe your inference here and I did not imply it. I do not call someone a troll for their opinions, but for their persistently posting in a way I believe does not shows interest in discussion. Then your use of the term “Russian troll” was, as I said, tiresome, lazy, and stupid. If you just meant they were a troll, you could have said so, and I wouldn’t have objected. By using the term “Russian troll,” you are making a specific accusation that the poster is Russian or paid by Russia to post things he doesn’t believe. That’s obviously nonsense in this case. If you want to be taken seriously, you should avoid this kind of silliness. > [@](#): > > I encourage others to not waste their own time with jerkish posters, but if you feel engagement has benefits, then do so. Of course, I never said anything of the kind. ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2020, 12:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mortsahlfan-come-on-down-you-twat/847483/43 "2020-02-05T00:29:25Z")
> [@Unreconstructed\_Man](#): > > Playing Devil’s advocate, why should a Sanders supporter vote for Joe Biden? If you’re asking about the Primary, I don’t think a Sanders supporter should. If you’re asking about the General, then your’s is the dumbest fucking question I’ve seen all… day. Let’s go with day on that one. ---
**Author:** ![Ulf\_the\_Unwashed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/b4bc9f/32.png) [@Ulf\_the\_Unwashed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ulf_the_Unwashed)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2020, 2:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mortsahlfan-come-on-down-you-twat/847483/44 "2020-02-05T02:02:33Z")
Gotta disagree with a few folks above. I don’t think the subject of the OP is not actually BernieSandersFan. I think he is in truth DonaldTrumpFan. ---
**Author:** ![Larry\_Borgia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/larry_borgia/32/156_2.png) [@Larry\_Borgia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Larry_Borgia)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2020, 2:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mortsahlfan-come-on-down-you-twat/847483/45 "2020-02-05T02:19:09Z")
Mort Sahl fan is not a Russian troll. Once again, with feeling, The Russians do not give one single solitary shit about the SDMB, if they are even aware of it. Also MSF spends most of his time talking about art films and Jim Morrison. He’s a tiresome pretentious twat with a vastly over-inflated sense of his taste and intelligence. He gets pissy about the stupidest things. He’s exactly the kind of person who will pout and sulk if his favorite candidate doesn’t get the nom. But he’s not a Russian troll. He’s just another weirdo on the internet. ---
**Author:** ![Ludovic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7ab992/32.png) [@Ludovic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ludovic)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2020, 2:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mortsahlfan-come-on-down-you-twat/847483/46 "2020-02-05T02:36:42Z")
I’m one of the more vocal believers in the possibility of Russian trolling here, but I agree that this poster, even though more trollish than the average Doper, spends far too much time on off-point topics to be a paid shill. And I don’t recall any telltale grammatical slipups but I might just not have seen something. ---
**Author:** ![Larry\_Borgia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/larry_borgia/32/156_2.png) [@Larry\_Borgia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Larry_Borgia)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2020, 2:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mortsahlfan-come-on-down-you-twat/847483/47 "2020-02-05T02:47:59Z")
Honestly, I don’t get a troll vibe off him at all. I think he’s just a weirdo. ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2020, 4:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mortsahlfan-come-on-down-you-twat/847483/48 "2020-02-05T04:30:16Z")
> [@Colibri](#): > > Just the sort of thing a Russian troll would say!😃 > > It’s Russian trolls all the way down. They STACK? :smack: I would have thought they’d nest. ---
**Author:** ![margin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/65b543/32.png) [@margin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/margin)\ **Post date:** [February 6, 2020, 3:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mortsahlfan-come-on-down-you-twat/847483/49 "2020-02-06T15:04:12Z")
> [@QuickSilver](#): > > You think so? This seems like the least productive place for a russian troll’s time and effort. Nah. I think **Morty** is True Bernieber. With an IQ low enough not to know better. Jesus Christ, “Benieber.” I’m not sure whether I hate you for the mental or because you thought up that delightful little portmanteau first. ---
**Author:** ![margin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/65b543/32.png) [@margin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/margin)\ **Post date:** [February 6, 2020, 3:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mortsahlfan-come-on-down-you-twat/847483/50 "2020-02-06T15:16:10Z")
> [@SteveG1](#): > > This. Whoever it is, we need to support that person. I will vote for a Dem corpse----and not an especially fresh one, either-----over staying home. This is because there are lots of people in this country who do not have the advantages of being born white in this country. If Trump gets “re”-elected----that’s for those assholes who act like the Republicans didn’t gerrymander districts and suppress hundreds of thousands of voters-----more people will die, get deported, have their rights taken, be thrown in cages. For all the assholes calling themselves protest voters, if it’s not YOUR rights at risk, then you’re not protesting, you’re just using Trump as a screen to hide behind as he strips those people of their rights. After 2016 we’ve all seen what he did----exactly what he said he would. Anybody who stays home in a snit after that doesn’t give a shit about anybody but himself. ---
**Author:** ![Ulf\_the\_Unwashed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/b4bc9f/32.png) [@Ulf\_the\_Unwashed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ulf_the_Unwashed)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2020, 1:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mortsahlfan-come-on-down-you-twat/847483/51 "2020-02-08T01:57:40Z")
> [@margin](#): > > I will vote for a Dem corpse----and not an especially fresh one, either-----over staying home. This is because there are lots of people in this country who do not have the advantages of being born white in this country. > > If Trump gets “re”-elected----that’s for those assholes who act like the Republicans didn’t gerrymander districts and suppress hundreds of thousands of voters-----more people will die, get deported, have their rights taken, be thrown in cages. > > For all the assholes calling themselves protest voters, if it’s not YOUR rights at risk, then you’re not protesting, you’re just using Trump as a screen to hide behind as he strips those people of their rights. > > After 2016 we’ve all seen what he did----exactly what he said he would. Anybody who stays home in a snit after that doesn’t give a shit about anybody but himself. Thank you for this. Truer words were never spoke, or writ. ---
**Author:** ![Slow\_Moving\_Vehicle](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slow_moving_vehicle/32/291_2.png) [@Slow\_Moving\_Vehicle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slow_Moving_Vehicle)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2020, 2:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mortsahlfan-come-on-down-you-twat/847483/52 "2020-02-08T02:47:55Z")
> [@margin](#): > > I will vote for a Dem corpse----and not an especially fresh one, either-----over staying home. This is because there are lots of people in this country who do not have the advantages of being born white in this country. > > If Trump gets “re”-elected----that’s for those assholes who act like the Republicans didn’t gerrymander districts and suppress hundreds of thousands of voters-----more people will die, get deported, have their rights taken, be thrown in cages. > > For all the assholes calling themselves protest voters, if it’s not YOUR rights at risk, then you’re not protesting, you’re just using Trump as a screen to hide behind as he strips those people of their rights. > > After 2016 we’ve all seen what he did----exactly what he said he would. Anybody who stays home in a snit after that doesn’t give a shit about anybody but himself. This, this, and more of this. There are so many things I want to see our government do - re-instate sensible environmental regulations, pass legislation to combat the epidemic of gun violence, attack climate change, defend every women’s right to bodily autonomy. None of this, none at all, can happen _until and unless we get that evil, corrupt oligarch out of the White House._ So. I’ll probably vote for Warren in the primary, or maybe Bernie again. But in November, when it really counts, I’ll vote for Biden, or Buttigieg, or Klobuchar, or Triumph the Insult Comic Dog - whomever has the “D” next to their name on the ballot. It’s just too important to throw away your vote just because the candidate doesn’t pass your ideological purity test. ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2020, 1:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mortsahlfan-come-on-down-you-twat/847483/53 "2020-06-08T13:54:26Z")
Every single time I start to feel a little sorry for this fucking imbecile, [he invariably makes me regret it](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=22343264&postcount=38). Honestly, **Mort**. What is the point of you? \*To save clicks for some of you, it’s a comment made in context of a thread in which Bush and Romney reportedly will not be supporting Trump in his re-election. ---
**Author:** ![Gatopescado](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gatopescado/32/5711_2.png) [@Gatopescado](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gatopescado)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2020, 3:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mortsahlfan-come-on-down-you-twat/847483/54 "2020-06-08T15:08:44Z")
Who the Hell is Mort Sahl, anyway??? ---
**Author:** ![What\_Exit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/what_exit/32/10652_2.png) [@What\_Exit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_Exit)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2020, 3:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mortsahlfan-come-on-down-you-twat/847483/55 "2020-06-08T15:14:22Z")
Old Comedian, very big in the 60s. Some credit him with bringing back Stand-up comedy. Not sure I buy it. ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2020, 5:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mortsahlfan-come-on-down-you-twat/847483/56 "2020-06-08T17:41:48Z")
> [@margin](#): > > I will vote for a Dem corpse----and not an especially fresh one, either-----over staying home. **This is because there are lots of people in this country who do not have the advantages of being born white in this country.** This sums it all up. Almost all of the Bernie-or-Bust types are white and have the luxury of staying home. Some are non-white but are hopelessly cynical, which I understand but find unfortunate. But one of the reasons why Black voters in particular voted for Biden and Clinton in 2016 isn’t because they thought they were perfect candidates - it’s because they realized their imperfections and still felt that they had the best opportunity to defeat Trump and the GOP, which they see as an existential threat here and now. ---
**Author:** ![madmonk28](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/madmonk28/32/20811_2.png) [@madmonk28](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/madmonk28)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2020, 7:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mortsahlfan-come-on-down-you-twat/847483/57 "2020-06-08T19:32:11Z")
Not only are the Bernie Bro’s white, they are dismissive of black voters. Bernie keeps losing primaries but somehow the black votes for Biden shouldn’t count. The bros are only interested in the revolution if they can be in charge. ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2020, 1:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mortsahlfan-come-on-down-you-twat/847483/58 "2020-06-09T13:00:10Z")
> [@madmonk28](#): > > Not only are the Bernie Bro’s white, they are dismissive of black voters. Bernie keeps losing primaries but somehow the black votes for Biden shouldn’t count. The bros are only interested in the revolution if they can be in charge. Yeah, I remember in 2016, there were some Bernie Bros on social media (or maybe they were interviewed) who said it was disappointing that black people were voting against their own interests and weren’t informed enough to back the right candidate (i.e. dumb). This is what people of color mean when they point out that even “progressive” whites sometimes are unaware of their own condescension and biases. I’m not suggesting that this is what a majority of Sanders’ voters believed, but it seemed consistent with some of the more rabid supporters. ---
**Author:** ![Blalron](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/35a633/32.png) [@Blalron](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Blalron)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2020, 1:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mortsahlfan-come-on-down-you-twat/847483/59 "2020-06-09T13:22:23Z")
> [@asahi](#): > > Yeah, I remember in 2016, there were some Bernie Bros on social media (or maybe they were interviewed) who said it was disappointing that black people were voting against their own interests and weren’t informed enough to back the right candidate (i.e. dumb). This is what people of color mean when they point out that even “progressive” whites sometimes are unaware of their own condescension and biases. I’m not suggesting that this is what a majority of Sanders’ voters believed, but it seemed consistent with some of the more rabid supporters. I’ve heard some [theorize](https://www.thenation.com/article/politics/biden-black-vote/) that Blacks voted for Biden not because they preferred his policies over Bernie’s, but because they had no faith that White America would allow any truly progressive policies to be implemented that would do much to help them. It was all about “electability”. They wouldn’t vote for him because of their expectations of how whites would vote in November. ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2020, 1:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mortsahlfan-come-on-down-you-twat/847483/60 "2020-06-09T13:52:59Z")
> [@Blalron](#): > > I’ve heard some [theorize](https://www.thenation.com/article/politics/biden-black-vote/) that Blacks voted for Biden not because they preferred his policies over Bernie’s, but because they had no faith that White America would allow any truly progressive policies to be implemented that would do much to help them. It was all about “electability”. They wouldn’t vote for him because of their expectations of how whites would vote in November. It’s a common argument made that minorities who have experienced a history of oppression and inequality have learned through that experience not to expect radical improvements through tidal paradigm shifts, but to fight for incremental change, because that is what has worked more reliably. In contrast, majority white, relatively privileged reformists, have little to no experience with the kind of grinding disappointment that generations of minorities lived through. They have no patience for the disproportionately hard incremental work required to achieve even the smallest progressive change. They lack this understanding because they have less to lose. Failure to achieve a tidal change may take them back to square-one, but it’s not the same square-one as it is for those who suffer from systematic discrimination in all its forms. This is a fundamental misunderstanding of the extremist progressive ideology that has most recently attached itself to Bernie Sanders, and why he failed to win over minority voter support. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mortsahlfan-come-on-down-you-twat/847483.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mortsahlfan-come-on-down-you-twat/847483.md?page=4)