# Mosier put up or shut up **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [November 7, 2011, 11:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mosier-put-up-or-shut-up/602222 "2011-11-07T23:31:15Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2011, 5:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mosier-put-up-or-shut-up/602222/41 "2011-11-08T05:06:22Z")
By my calculations 13 more immigrants have been able to slip into the country thanks to this thread alone! ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2011, 5:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mosier-put-up-or-shut-up/602222/42 "2011-11-08T05:12:50Z")
> [@Chen019](#): > > This is heady stuff coming from someone who is incapable of logical thought. Or at least, putting it into written form. I would say that you’re barely above **Der Trihs** in terms of posting quality. > > About the only person who posts reasonable and thought out responses is **Brain Glutton**. Unfortunately, you have to wade through a lot of dross to get to his comments. Meh, as others with plenty of smarts never got to support you and even conservatives agree with me regarding your “logical capabilities” I will go with their verdict rather than your blissful ignorance. You are the one with less support and your few supporters have been demonstrated to be also on the irrational side, as for BrainGlutton, you are really a certifiable ignoramus if you think he and I are not very close on our views. ---
**Author:** ![Chen019](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/f19dbf/32.png) [@Chen019](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chen019)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2011, 5:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mosier-put-up-or-shut-up/602222/43 "2011-11-08T05:34:20Z")
> [@GIGObuster](#): > > Meh, as others with plenty of smarts never got to support you and even conservatives agree with me regarding your “logical capabilities” I will go with their verdict rather than your blissful ignorance. > > You are the one with less support and your few supporters have been demonstrated to be also on the irrational side, as for BrainGlutton, you are really a certifiable ignoramus if you think he and I are not very close on our views. Really? **Magellan01** seemed to find my arguments in the environmentalist/immigration thread were the ones based on [logic and evidence](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=13986170&postcount=561), while yours were based on [bias](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=13962108&postcount=548), emotion and straight out [obfuscation.](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=13980507&postcount=305) I think you almost made the poor guy [blow a blood vessel](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=13977731&postcount=) trying to deal with your remarkably dishonest approach to argument: > [@](#): > > What?! You are STILL conflating the different issues!!! Unbelievable. Let’s try this again. But first I will add that your infatuation with domestic immigration is an issue for Number 2 below—and only Number 2. PLease keep in mind that as far as domestic immigration and Number 2, no one disagrees with you. It just has nothing to do with #s 1 and 3… > > And while we’re at it, again I will ask you: keeping in mind my 1,2,3 above, rather than be snide or insulting or attempt to hand wave away the point, can you point out the logical flaw(s) in this offered by Chen? And, no, you haven’t answered this yet. Try being direct and not shooting off on tangents. Here you go: ---
**Author:** ![Dissonance](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/85f322/32.png) [@Dissonance](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dissonance)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2011, 5:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mosier-put-up-or-shut-up/602222/44 "2011-11-08T05:35:48Z")
> [@Chen019](#): > > lol. It’s solid posts like this that demonstrate your superior debating skills and show that you are not in fact a racist piece of trash. ---
**Author:** ![Chen019](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/f19dbf/32.png) [@Chen019](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chen019)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2011, 5:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mosier-put-up-or-shut-up/602222/45 "2011-11-08T05:37:44Z")
> [@GIGObuster](#): > > You are the one with less support and your few supporters have been demonstrated to be also on the irrational side, as for BrainGlutton, you are really a certifiable ignoramus if you think he and I are not very close on our views. Heh, try reading what I said thicko. I said that **Brain Glutton** posts reasonable and thought out responses. He is one person who can disagree with you while making a reasonable argument. He may hold similar positions to you, but he has the ability to defend them intelligently. ---
**Author:** ![Chen019](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/f19dbf/32.png) [@Chen019](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chen019)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2011, 5:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mosier-put-up-or-shut-up/602222/46 "2011-11-08T05:38:58Z")
> [@Dissonance](#): > > It’s solid posts like this that demonstrate your superior debating skills and show that you are not in fact a racist piece of trash. I guess you don’t have any arguments either, otherwise you wouldn’t need to resort to abuse. Dumbass. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2011, 5:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mosier-put-up-or-shut-up/602222/47 "2011-11-08T05:40:42Z")
> [@Chen019](#): > > Really? Really, Magellian was one of the ones I was referring to, but I was not surprised you had to resort for his cover, you are so predictable, there are no other easy pickings. And I just noticed, you will have to spend a long time calling the overwhelming majority that agrees with me that they are Dumbasses, keep up the good work of continuing to dig deeper! ---
**Author:** ![Chen019](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/f19dbf/32.png) [@Chen019](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chen019)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2011, 5:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mosier-put-up-or-shut-up/602222/48 "2011-11-08T05:42:28Z")
> [@GIGObuster](#): > > Really, Magellian was one of the ones I was referring to, but I was not surprised you had to resort for his cover, you are so predictable, there are no other easy pickings. His cover? He pwned and humiliated you for your dishonest and ridiculous arguments in that thread. Perhaps you aren’t smart enough to realise that. 😛 ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2011, 5:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mosier-put-up-or-shut-up/602222/49 "2011-11-08T05:47:19Z")
> [@Chen019](#): > > His cover? He pwned and humiliated you for your dishonest and ridiculous arguments in that thread. Perhaps you aren’t smart enough to realise that. 😛 No one else came to support you and in the end I was right, the politicians elected with the help of the nativist “environmentalists” continue to deny that there is any problem with the CO2 emissions, frankly your delusion knows no bounds, so keep digging, I will not stop your great task of digging yourself deeper. ---
**Author:** ![Chen019](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/f19dbf/32.png) [@Chen019](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chen019)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2011, 5:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mosier-put-up-or-shut-up/602222/50 "2011-11-08T05:51:37Z")
> [@GIGObuster](#): > > No one else came to support you and in the end I was right, the politicians elected with the help of the nativist “environmentalists” continue to deny that there is any problem with the CO2 emissions, frankly your delusion knows no bounds, so keep digging, I will not stop your great task of digging yourself deeper. It wouldn’t matter if a thousand people came to support me. What matters is that you were making absurd, illogical arguments and got called out on it. And your comment about people denying CO2 emissions suggests that you don’t even appear to grasp what we were debating in the first place. Go back on the meds dude. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2011, 5:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mosier-put-up-or-shut-up/602222/51 "2011-11-08T05:55:17Z")
> [@Chen019](#): > > It wouldn’t matter if a thousand people came to support me. What matters is that you were making absurd, illogical arguments and got called out on it. > > And your comment about people denying CO2 emissions suggests that you don’t even appear to grasp what we were debating in the first place. Go back on the med’s dude. The title of the pit thread was clearly about the ones you where helping with your ignorance, people with other intentions rather than helping with the immigration issue just took people like you like chumps. And it is clear that you are still glad for that. As I suspected, you lied about thinking about the environment. ---
**Author:** ![Chen019](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/f19dbf/32.png) [@Chen019](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chen019)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2011, 6:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mosier-put-up-or-shut-up/602222/52 "2011-11-08T06:17:21Z")
> [@GIGObuster](#): > > The title of the pit thread was clearly about the ones you where helping with your ignorance, people with other intentions rather than helping with the immigration issue just took people like you like chumps. And it is clear that you are still glad for that. As I suspected, you lied about thinking about the environment. No, the problem was that you seem to think that anyone who raises immigration in connection with the environment is a nasty nativist. You even suggested that about Professor Ben Zuckerman! Also, I repeatedly pointed out to you that you could be concerned with the US environment and climate change generally. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2011, 6:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mosier-put-up-or-shut-up/602222/53 "2011-11-08T06:29:37Z")
> [@Chen019](#): > > No, the problem was that you seem to think that anyone who raises immigration in connection with the environment is a nasty nativist. You even suggested that about Professor Ben Zuckerman! > > Also, I repeatedly pointed out to you that you could be concerned with the US environment and climate change generally. You are only a demonstrated liar so far, the only environmentalist point you made was to bring forth denialist points like Anthony Watts misleadingly saying that environmentalists like AL Gore were looking for one-child-only solutions (Gore did not said that as I showed on the thread), there was no demonstration from you of having any understanding about what we need to do regarding the issue of global warming. And you demonstrated that by attempting to ignore that one of the few environmentalists scientists that you claimed supported your views turned out to be a treasure trove of information that supported my position. Are you still mad to see that the scientist recommended Grist magazine and all those “ugly” environmentalists that were against using immigration as a dividing wedge? As pointed out, education and the reduction of poverty are the keys to reduce our population and at the same time that will help control our CO2 emissions. ---
**Author:** ![Chen019](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/f19dbf/32.png) [@Chen019](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chen019)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2011, 6:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mosier-put-up-or-shut-up/602222/54 "2011-11-08T06:36:24Z")
> [@GIGObuster](#): > > You are only a demonstrated liar so far, the only environmentalist point you made was to bring forth denialist points like Anthony Watts misleadingly saying that environmentalists like AL Gore were looking for one-child-only solutions (Gore did not said that as I showed on the thread), there was no demonstration from you of having any understanding about what we need to do regarding the issue of global warming. > > And you demonstrated that by attempting to ignore that one of the few environmentalists scientists that you claimed supported your views turned out to be a treasure trove of information that supported my position. Are you still mad to see that the scientist recommended Grist magazine and all those “ugly” environmentalists that were against using immigration as a dividing wedge? As pointed out, education and the reduction of poverty are the keys to reduce our population and at the same time that will help control our CO2 emissions. I agree with your final sentence. Not sure what you’re on about above that. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2011, 6:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mosier-put-up-or-shut-up/602222/55 "2011-11-08T06:47:32Z")
> [@Chen019](#): > > :smack: I think there is a gap in communication somewhere, I’m not even sure what on earth you’re on about now. Yep, still mad and clueless. Many thanks indeed to Lester Brown for his Plan B book that recommended everyone to check Grist Magazine (and the “revolting” environmentalists there that do not think the immigration issue should be important regarding global warming) and Climate Progress. ---
**Author:** ![Chen019](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/f19dbf/32.png) [@Chen019](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chen019)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2011, 6:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mosier-put-up-or-shut-up/602222/56 "2011-11-08T06:50:09Z")
> [@GIGObuster](#): > > Yep still mad, Many thanks indeed to Lester Brown for his Plan B book that recommended Grist Magazine (and the “revolting” environmentalists there) and Climate Progress. I’m not mad, I’m just wondering what you’re on about? ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2011, 6:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mosier-put-up-or-shut-up/602222/57 "2011-11-08T06:57:11Z")
> [@Chen019](#): > > I’m not mad, I’m just wondering what you’re on about? Backtracking already? (There was an even a more clueless and dismissive line that you edited out) I thought you said just a few posts back that I got owned, yet it should be clear that my point was precisely what I said in the last sentence you claim to agree now. I just think your reptilian brain finally told you to stop digging. 😛 ---
**Author:** ![Dissonance](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/85f322/32.png) [@Dissonance](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dissonance)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2011, 7:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mosier-put-up-or-shut-up/602222/58 "2011-11-08T07:09:01Z")
> [@Chen019](#): > > I guess you don’t have any arguments either, otherwise you wouldn’t need to resort to abuse. I am wounded, good sir. I in fact do have an argument: you don’t know how to debate and are a racist piece of trash. ---
**Author:** ![Norse](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/a9adbd/32.png) [@Norse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Norse)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2011, 7:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mosier-put-up-or-shut-up/602222/59 "2011-11-08T07:19:15Z")
> [@Chen019](#): > > > [@GIGObuster](#): > > > > I do not think that he is smart enough to realize he is being slammed.. > > This is heady stuff coming from someone who is incapable of logical thought. Or at least, putting it into written form. I would say that you’re barely above **Der Trihs** in terms of posting quality. Have you guys ever seen a better illustration of the Dunning-Kruger effect? Textbook material! 😃 ETA: > [@Dissonance](#): > > I am wounded, good sir. I in fact do have an argument: you don’t know how to debate and are a racist piece of trash. _golf clap_ ---
**Author:** ![Chen019](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/f19dbf/32.png) [@Chen019](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chen019)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2011, 9:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mosier-put-up-or-shut-up/602222/60 "2011-11-08T09:27:04Z")
> [@Dissonance](#): > > I am wounded, good sir. I in fact do have an argument: you don’t know how to debate and are a racist piece of trash. No you don’t, you are a bereft of arguments. Hence the need to fall back on shaming words like “racist”. It actually heartens me to see opponents resort to this, it shows that my arguments are sound. If they weren’t you’d be attacking them. So it’s not that you think I’m wrong, you simply don’t like what I’m saying. Well, I couldn’t care less. 🙂 [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mosier-put-up-or-shut-up/602222.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mosier-put-up-or-shut-up/602222.md?page=4)