# Mosque to be built two blocks from Ground Zero **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [May 14, 2010, 2:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mosque-to-be-built-two-blocks-from-ground-zero/539432 "2010-05-14T14:36:38Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 35
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2010, 4:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mosque-to-be-built-two-blocks-from-ground-zero/539432/681 "2010-08-23T04:19:51Z")
> [@Don123](#): > > …Obviously you do not know your bible or the context that it was written in… Well, only in translation… ---
**Author:** ![Don123](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e19adc/32.png) [@Don123](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Don123)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2010, 4:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mosque-to-be-built-two-blocks-from-ground-zero/539432/682 "2010-08-23T04:21:30Z")
> [@Attack\_from\_the\_3rd\_dimension](#): > > > [@Don123](#): > > > > As I said I happy that you are a god to know a good muslim from a bad one. But perhaps you should go by the Koran? > > Here are 630 verses in the koran of doom, burning, beheading, and murders to non-believers. > > > > [Skeptic's Annotated Bible / Quran / Book of Mormon](http://www.skepticsannotatedbible.com/quran/topics/doom.html) > > > > look up the verses on the net for over 6 translations, they all say the same. > > Don > > **Don** , here’s a [similar, probably larger load of evil from the bible](http://www.skepticsannotatedbible.com/cruelty/long.html), found on the same website that you cite. > > Oh, and by the by, just in case you want to do the ‘it’s all in the old testament, the NT is all sweetness and light’ ploy, here’s John 15:6:\* If anyone does not remain in me, he is like a branch that is thrown away and withers; such branches are picked up, thrown into the fire and burned. > \* Your big problem is we are not talikg about the bible, we are talking about Islam and how it is played out TODAY. Here you want this crap in the USA, bring muslims in from muslim cultures hidding under the bannor of religion and see what you get. 2010.08.21 (Paktika, Afghanistan) - Eight Afghans are murdered by Taliban bombers in two attacks. 2010.08.21 (Helmand, Afghanistan) - Six Afghan cops are bound and executed by religious hardliners. 2010.08.21 (Baghdad, Iraq) - Three cops are taken down by Islamic terrorists in separate attacks. 2010.08.21 (Baghlia, Pakistan) - Six members of a peace committee are blow to bits by Mujahid bombers. 2010.08.20 (Yala, Thailand) - A 63-year-old civilian is shot to death by Muslim terrorists. And take a good look at the exstened list found here: > **[Islam: The Politically Incorrect Truth](https://www.thereligionofpeace.com/)** > > Is Islam really a Religion of Peace? What makes Islam so different? Don ---
**Author:** ![x-ray\_vision](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/x-ray_vision/32/351_2.png) [@x-ray\_vision](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/x-ray_vision)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2010, 4:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mosque-to-be-built-two-blocks-from-ground-zero/539432/683 "2010-08-23T04:22:53Z")
> [@Don123](#): > > Obviously you do not know your bible or the context that it was written in. Muslim apologists play the same game (which is generally a good thing). > [@](#): > > Great, so by your argument and reasoning, Muslims are no better than murdering Christians. I literally know hundreds of Muslims. Every one of them is better than murdering Christians. ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2010, 4:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mosque-to-be-built-two-blocks-from-ground-zero/539432/684 "2010-08-23T04:26:46Z")
> [@Don123](#): > > It is also a common tactic with Muslims to divert the conversation to Christians and how bad they were. Great, so by your argument and reasoning, Muslims are no better than murdering Christians. Quite so. And since we’re not about to get rid of all the Christian houses of worship, we’ll just have to put up with everyone elses’ too. It’s the American way. > [@](#): > > 2010.08.21 (Paktika, Afghanistan) - Eight Afghans are murdered by Taliban bombers in two attacks. > 2010.08.21 (Helmand, Afghanistan) - Six Afghan cops are bound and executed by religious hardliners. > 2010.08.21 (Baghdad, Iraq) - Three cops are taken down by Islamic terrorists in separate attacks. > 2010.08.21 (Baghlia, Pakistan) - Six members of a peace committee are blow to bits by Mujahid bombers. > 2010.08.20 (Yala, Thailand) - A 63-year-old civilian is shot to death by Muslim terrorists. That’s a list of “people killed by Muslims today”, without context or verification. [Here](http://www.springsgov.com/units/police/policeblotter.asp) are some people killed by Christians today. So fucking what? ---
**Author:** ![Kobal2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kobal2/32/20_2.png) [@Kobal2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kobal2)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2010, 4:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mosque-to-be-built-two-blocks-from-ground-zero/539432/685 "2010-08-23T04:29:30Z")
> [@Don123](#): > > Obviously you do not know your bible or the context that it was written in. Haaa, so the Bible gets the benefit of context, i.e. “that shit was written long ago, man, they did things differently back then”. The Koran, however, doesn’t. Because it’s evil and foreign and stuff. Gotcha. ---
**Author:** ![El\_Kabong](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/el_kabong/32/496_2.png) [@El\_Kabong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/El_Kabong)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2010, 4:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mosque-to-be-built-two-blocks-from-ground-zero/539432/686 "2010-08-23T04:40:56Z")
> [@Don123](#): > > I did not say I being singled out, and I do not dispute your policy however you want to shape it for the occasion, but the facts still remain, I not going to discuss articles and reference that I post. There is no point in doing so as the article or information cannot be reprinted here. Dude, it’s not MY policy; I’m not a moderator here, just another poster. I was just trying to explain the issue, for your benefit, since you clearly seem to misunderstand why you cannot post entire articles. If you want to stick your fingers in your ears, that’s your problem. > [@](#): > > What is copyrighted? How short is short? It really isn’t that difficult, but if you are still not clear where the limits are you can ask for clarification in “About This Message Board”. > [@](#): > > You can interpret and apply my references any way you want, or not even look at it, and even say I did not give reference when I have. Accordingly the reference is for your information only and not open for further comments by me. Nonsense, and reference to what? You have given no clear idea what you think the relevance of your link is to the discussion. At any time, you could paraphrase the content you wish to discuss. Without that mininmal effort, why should anyone pay any attention to your link at all? > [@](#): > > This should end this subject in its totality. You demand proof, proof, proof, but yet I cannot present the proof as to your policy. Ok, fine with me, this is your board not mine. If I do not like it I do not have to post here. And I am not going to argue your policy— did I make myself clear? Now I’m getting back on topic, there are other places for this conversation, and it is not on this thread. I haven’t demanded proof of anything. Maybe you have me confused with someone else. ---
**Author:** ![Don123](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e19adc/32.png) [@Don123](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Don123)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2010, 4:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mosque-to-be-built-two-blocks-from-ground-zero/539432/687 "2010-08-23T04:43:48Z")
> [@Attack\_from\_the\_3rd\_dimension](#): > > > [@Don123](#): > > > > As I said I happy that you are a god to know a good muslim from a bad one. But perhaps you should go by the Koran? > > Here are 630 verses in the koran of doom, burning, beheading, and murders to non-believers. > > > > [Skeptic's Annotated Bible / Quran / Book of Mormon](http://www.skepticsannotatedbible.com/quran/topics/doom.html) > > > > look up the verses on the net for over 6 translations, they all say the same. > > Don > > **Don** , here’s a [similar, probably larger load of evil from the bible](http://www.skepticsannotatedbible.com/cruelty/long.html), found on the same website that you cite. > > Oh, and by the by, just in case you want to do the ‘it’s all in the old testament, the NT is all sweetness and light’ ploy, here’s John 15:6:\* If anyone does not remain in me, he is like a branch that is thrown away and withers; such branches are picked up, thrown into the fire and burned. > \* Look you are doing everything you can to diver the conversation away from Islam and Muslims— perhaps you should as you much Islamic filth to hide. John 15:6: If anyone does not remain in me, he is like a branch that is thrown away and withers; such branches are picked up, thrown into the fire and burned. Romans 13:8 Owe no man any thing, but to love one another: for he that loveth another hath fulfilled the law. Accordingly those that commit murders and sins against their fellow human will be cast out and cut off. No less than why we separate killers from society by the practice of our criminal justice system. There are NO such scriptures in the Koran, or negating scriptures of all the filth in the Koran. If I am wrong then show it, good luck to you. I am only accommodating your diversion—you can look up the word love in the bible here and read it in context. You may not like it but USA tort law is based on the bible NT. Here use your tools and learn something. > **[BibleGateway.com: A searchable online Bible in over 150 versions and 50...](https://www.biblegateway.com/)** > > Read, hear, and study Scripture at the world's most-visited Christian website. Grow your faith with devotionals, Bible reading plans, and mobile apps. This is not the thread to teach a class on comparative religions. So why are you bringing up your diversions? Don ---
**Author:** ![Kobal2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kobal2/32/20_2.png) [@Kobal2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kobal2)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2010, 4:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mosque-to-be-built-two-blocks-from-ground-zero/539432/688 "2010-08-23T04:54:08Z")
> [@Don123](#): > > There are NO such scriptures in the Koran, or negating scriptures of all the filth in the Koran. If I am wrong then show it, good luck to you. [Here](http://www.dummies.com/how-to/content/mending-misconceptions-about-the-koran.html)’s a start : every surat of the Koran starts by describing Allah as “most Loving, and most compassionate”. Muhammad citing God (though he, peace be upon him, didn’t provide a link ;)) : “My mercy prevails over my wrath.” ETA : [one more](http://www.searchtruth.com/search.php?keyword=love&chapter=&translator=5&search=1&search_word=&start=10&records_display=10&phonetic=) for the road : "Those who spend (in Allah’s Cause) in prosperity and in adversity , who repress anger , and who pardon men; verily, Allah **love** s Al-Muhsinun (the good-doers). " ---
**Author:** ![Don123](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e19adc/32.png) [@Don123](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Don123)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2010, 5:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mosque-to-be-built-two-blocks-from-ground-zero/539432/689 "2010-08-23T05:08:38Z")
> [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](#): > > > [@Don123](#): > > > > It is also a common tactic with Muslims to divert the conversation to Christians and how bad they were. Great, so by your argument and reasoning, Muslims are no better than murdering Christians. > > Quite so. And since we’re not about to get rid of all the Christian houses of worship, we’ll just have to put up with everyone elses’ too. It’s the American way. > > > [@](#): > > > > 2010.08.21 (Paktika, Afghanistan) - Eight Afghans are murdered by Taliban bombers in two attacks. > > 2010.08.21 (Helmand, Afghanistan) - Six Afghan cops are bound and executed by religious hardliners. > > 2010.08.21 (Baghdad, Iraq) - Three cops are taken down by Islamic terrorists in separate attacks. > > 2010.08.21 (Baghlia, Pakistan) - Six members of a peace committee are blow to bits by Mujahid bombers. > > 2010.08.20 (Yala, Thailand) - A 63-year-old civilian is shot to death by Muslim terrorists. > > That’s a list of “people killed by Muslims today”, without context or verification. [Here](http://www.springsgov.com/units/police/policeblotter.asp) are some people killed by Christians today. > > So fucking what? Your reference is worthless and not even relevant. This site gives a good explanation on how to tell when a crime is religious motivated, and NOT crimes out money and lust. [http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/Pages/TheList.htm](http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/Pages/TheList.htm) This is where your list fails as these are common traffic crimes and such the like with NO direct religious connections. Accordingly your argument fails the test. Don ---
**Author:** ![Attack\_from\_the\_3rd\_dimension](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/b38774/32.png) [@Attack\_from\_the\_3rd\_dimension](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Attack_from_the_3rd_dimension)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2010, 5:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mosque-to-be-built-two-blocks-from-ground-zero/539432/690 "2010-08-23T05:20:14Z")
**Don** , old man, you’ve replied to my one post twice within 30 minutes. Are you feeling okay? You’re the one who started judging people by the twaddle found in holy books. If you start cherry-picking the Qur’an for your strawmen, then you should expect examples from other religious books. You may want to reconsider that class in comparative religion - you may find it enlightening. Oh, and 6:108: _Revile not ye those whom they call upon besides Allah, lest they out of spite revile Allah in their ignorance._ ---
**Author:** ![Don123](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e19adc/32.png) [@Don123](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Don123)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2010, 5:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mosque-to-be-built-two-blocks-from-ground-zero/539432/691 "2010-08-23T05:33:48Z")
> [@Kobal2](#): > > > [@Don123](#): > > > > There are NO such scriptures in the Koran, or negating scriptures of all the filth in the Koran. If I am wrong then show it, good luck to you. > > [Here](http://www.dummies.com/how-to/content/mending-misconceptions-about-the-koran.html)’s a start : every surat of the Koran starts by describing Allah as “most Loving, and most compassionate”. Muhammad citing God (though he, peace be upon him, didn’t provide a link ;)) : “My mercy prevails over my wrath.” > > ETA : [one more](http://www.searchtruth.com/search.php?keyword=love&chapter=&translator=5&search=1&search_word=&start=10&records_display=10&phonetic=) for the road : "Those who spend (in Allah’s Cause) in prosperity and in adversity , who repress anger , and who pardon men; verily, Allah **love** s Al-Muhsinun (the good-doers). " taken from your site: The Koran is so confident of its divinely inspired language that it challenges those who question the Koran’s authenticity to bring all the masters of literature together to produce even one chapter that achieves the same level of linguistic eloquence as the Koran (10:37–38; 17:88). It is no wonder Islam is the most evil and savage religion on the face of the earth as the Koran is to be taken literal by your reference. So when the Koran says: 18:59 And (all) those townships! We destroyed them when they did wrong, and We appointed a fixed time for their destruction… This is what Muslims are commanded to do and that is to kill all non-believers. What has changed about Islam? Nothing from 1400 years ago, as in Pakistan (and other Islamic countries) it is death sentence to reconvert from Islam. Just how did Islam get out of Saudi Arabia anyways— you want to deny common history then do so. But as I said I’m so happy that you are a god to know a good muslim from a bad one. I guess you were wrong about Hasan and his Ft. Hood murders, he did exactly what the Koran commanded and is now sucking up 72 virgins as his reward for murdering the innocent. Don ---
**Author:** ![Don123](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e19adc/32.png) [@Don123](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Don123)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2010, 5:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mosque-to-be-built-two-blocks-from-ground-zero/539432/692 "2010-08-23T05:54:46Z")
> [@Kobal2](#): > > > [@Don123](#): > > > > There are NO such scriptures in the Koran, or negating scriptures of all the filth in the Koran. If I am wrong then show it, good luck to you. > > [Here](http://www.dummies.com/how-to/content/mending-misconceptions-about-the-koran.html)’s a start : every surat of the Koran starts by describing Allah as “most Loving, and most compassionate”. Muhammad citing God (though he, peace be upon him, didn’t provide a link ;)) : “My mercy prevails over my wrath.” > > ETA : [one more](http://www.searchtruth.com/search.php?keyword=love&chapter=&translator=5&search=1&search_word=&start=10&records_display=10&phonetic=) for the road : "Those who spend (in Allah’s Cause) in prosperity and in adversity , who repress anger , and who pardon men; verily, Allah **love** s Al-Muhsinun (the good-doers). " "Those who spend (in Allah’s Cause) in prosperity and in adversity , who repress anger , and who pardon men; verily, Allah loves Al-Muhsinun (the good-doers). " And what is the cause of Allah but to totally destroy all non-believers by head chopping and finger removal, as the koran says to do. Your problem is context in the Koran, and I would suppose that over 630 verses of doom to non-believers set the context. That is the problem with Islam and the Koran, there is so much filth not even the Mullahs can sort it out. people in the west should read the Koran and know it well, then 9/11 would not be such a mystery as saying “how could Muslims do that!” well hell it is all over the Koran as I posted. Not to mention that Allah, by your reference, found it merciful for men to beat their wife as in Q 4:34. Don ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2010, 5:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mosque-to-be-built-two-blocks-from-ground-zero/539432/693 "2010-08-23T05:59:52Z")
> [@Don123](#): > > So when the Koran says: > > 18:59 And (all) those townships! We destroyed them when they did wrong, and We appointed a fixed time for their destruction… > > **This is what Muslims are commanded to do and that is to kill all non-believers.** > > What has changed about Islam? Nothing from 1400 years ago, as in Pakistan (and other Islamic countries) it is death sentence to reconvert from Islam. > > Just how did Islam get out of Saudi Arabia anyways— you want to deny common history then do so. [Bolded part mine] Uh, I can not take anyone seriously when they are denying that in the middle ages and up to today most Muslim commanders and rulers forgot about that “commandment” and instead of killing all infidels they did tax them. > **[Review: The Great Arab Conquests by Hugh Kennedy | Armies of God by Dominic...](https://www.theguardian.com/books/2007/jul/21/historybooks.featuresreviews)** > > Two new books show how the Muslim world's past feeds into the present, says James Buchan. > [@](#): > > What was jihad to men like Khalid, Amr ibn al-As and Musa ibn Nusayr? In the speeches that Tabari puts into the mouths of Muslim commanders, jihad is businesslike. “We invite you to embrace our religion,” said one Muslim emissary to the Persians. “If you refuse, you must pay the tribute. This is a bad thing but not as bad as the alternative. If you refuse to pay, it will be war.” If the subject peoples paid their taxes and did nothing to help the enemies of the Muslims, they were left in peace. > > These Arabs were not fanatics. Muslims and Christians shared the great church of St John in Damascus, iconoclasm was rare, and the conqueror of Sindh, Muhammad ibn Qasim, allowed the Buddhists to repair their temples. The Latin Chronicle of 754, composed in or before that year in Cordoba, fails to mention that the invaders from Africa were Muslims. ---
**Author:** ![Don123](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e19adc/32.png) [@Don123](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Don123)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2010, 6:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mosque-to-be-built-two-blocks-from-ground-zero/539432/694 "2010-08-23T06:12:22Z")
> [@Kobal2](#): > > > [@Don123](#): > > > > Obviously you do not know your bible or the context that it was written in. > > Haaa, so the Bible gets the benefit of context, i.e. “that shit was written long ago, man, they did things differently back then”. > > The Koran, however, doesn’t. Because it’s evil and foreign and stuff. Gotcha. Not only does Islam enjoy its filthy context in the Koran, it is enjoys the filth that is lived out every day according to Islamic Sharia law where wife beating is permitted if not encouraged Q 4:34. Take a good look at the Muslim countries and their culture where selling your daughter for marriage at age 9-12 is common, and you can get even a higher price if you have her genitals chopped out as Mohammad instructed. This is what the Mosque at ground zero promotes; it is a barbarous religion of the dark ages that promotes jihad terrorist as its foundation beliefs. For crying out loud, Muslims worship Mohammad that rapped Aisha at age 9, and you think any good can come that? We have plenty of crazies to stuff into prison without a religion that promotes child rape. Don ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2010, 6:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mosque-to-be-built-two-blocks-from-ground-zero/539432/695 "2010-08-23T06:26:18Z")
> [@Don123](#): > > Take a good look at the Muslim countries and their culture where selling your daughter for marriage at age 9-12 is common, and you can get even a higher price if you have her genitals chopped out as Mohammad instructed. :dubious: > **[Female genital mutilation](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Female_genital_cutting)** > > Female genital mutilation (FGM) (also known as female genital cutting, female genital mutilation/cutting (FGM/C) and female circumcision\[a\]) is the cutting or removal of some or all of the vulva for non-medical reasons. FGM prevalence varies worldwide, but is significantly present in some countries of Africa, Asia and Middle East, and within their diasporas. As of 2024\[update\], UNICEF estimates that worldwide 230 million girls and women (144 million in Africa, 80 million in Asia, 6 million in... > [@](#): > > The UNICEF reported that: “… Al-Azhar Supreme Council of Islamic Research, the highest religious authority in Egypt, issued a statement saying FGM/C has no basis in core Islamic law or any of its partial provisions and that it is harmful and should not be practiced.” > > Coptic Pope Shenouda, the leader of Egypt’s minority Christian community, said that neither the Qur’an nor the Bible demand or mention female circumcision. Do you have a cite for Mohammad instructing that or we have to add this as another example of how unreliable you are? ---
**Author:** ![Don123](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e19adc/32.png) [@Don123](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Don123)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2010, 6:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mosque-to-be-built-two-blocks-from-ground-zero/539432/696 "2010-08-23T06:31:10Z")
Well, the Koran is clear the first choice is to kill all non-believers if the they are Jews, Christians, or atheist, but there is an alternative and that is tax the non-believers to death as Mohammad instructed, pay the tax, convert or die, So much for Koran and all its niceties. Allah is so merciful, he commanded a quick death by head chopping and finger removal if you are too poor to pay the tax. Here you read it; > **[Islam versus Unbelievers: Convert, Subjugate or Die](http://www.vexen.co.uk/religion/islam_unbelievers.html)** > > Islam versus Unbelievers: Convert, Subjugate or Die: The Qur'an preaches that non-believers are to be converted, subjugated or killed, and that lying deals and war are valid methods to achieve this end. By Vexen Crabtree Don ---
**Author:** ![Attack\_from\_the\_3rd\_dimension](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/b38774/32.png) [@Attack\_from\_the\_3rd\_dimension](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Attack_from_the_3rd_dimension)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2010, 6:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mosque-to-be-built-two-blocks-from-ground-zero/539432/697 "2010-08-23T06:44:09Z")
> [@Don123](#): > > Well, the Koran is clear the first choice is to kill all non-believers if the they are Jews, Christians, or atheist, but there is an alternative and that is tax the non-believers to death as Mohammad instructed, pay the tax, convert or die, So much for Koran and all its niceties. Allah is so merciful, he commanded a quick death by head chopping and finger removal if you are too poor to pay the tax. > > Here you read it; > [http://www.vexen.co.uk/religion/islam\_unbelievers.html](http://www.vexen.co.uk/religion/islam_unbelievers.html) > Don Normally I would have my doubts about the credentials of someone named _ **Vexen Crabtree** _, however, I note that she or he also has companion pages about Christianity. I think he or she may be right on the money. Here, you read it: _[The God of the Christian Bible is Evil](http://www.vexen.co.uk/religion/christianity_evilgod.html)_. By the way, Don, you do realize that you are linking to a self-described Satanist, right? Or do you even read your links? Oh, heck, here, you read it: [QUOTE=Vexen Crabtree] Once I recognized and accepted this state of affairs and adequately called myself a Satanist, I could concentrate my life on happiness, love, stability and peace. Because I know and understand that death always wins, that life is temporary, I waste no time on short-term whims that reduce my quality of life, or of those around me, and I waste no time with spiritual pipe dreams. Recognizing Satan as the personified meta-figure of reality is self-affirming, life-affirming, positive, honest and clarifying. [/QUOTE] ---
**Author:** ![Don123](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e19adc/32.png) [@Don123](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Don123)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2010, 6:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mosque-to-be-built-two-blocks-from-ground-zero/539432/698 "2010-08-23T06:48:55Z")
> [@GIGObuster](#): > > > [@Don123](#): > > > > Take a good look at the Muslim countries and their culture where selling your daughter for marriage at age 9-12 is common, and you can get even a higher price if you have her genitals chopped out as Mohammad instructed. > > :dubious: > > [Female genital mutilation - Wikipedia](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Female_genital_cutting) > > > [@](#): > > > > The UNICEF reported that: “… Al-Azhar Supreme Council of Islamic Research, the highest religious authority in Egypt, issued a statement saying FGM/C has no basis in core Islamic law or any of its partial provisions and that it is harmful and should not be practiced.” > > > > Coptic Pope Shenouda, the leader of Egypt’s minority Christian community, said that neither the Qur’an nor the Bible demand or mention female circumcision. > > Do you have a cite for Mohammad instructing that or we have to add this as another example of how unreliable you are? Yes here: [http://frontpagemag.com/2009/10/02/female-genital-mutilation-islam-and-leftist-silence-by-jamie-glazov/](http://frontpagemag.com/2009/10/02/female-genital-mutilation-islam-and-leftist-silence-by-jamie-glazov/) and here: [http://www.islammonitor.org/index.php?option=com\_content&view=article&id=540&catid=192&Itemid=68](http://www.islammonitor.org/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=540&catid=192&Itemid=68) Also the Koran says that Muslims should work hard at deceiving the non-believers, and even a flat right out lie is a good thing. So tell your Imam, or Mullah, to stuff it up his ass as he should know what the Islamic Hadith says about cutting out a woman’s genitals—it is OK and obligated, and a common practice in all Islamic countries. Muslims, the filthy animals from the dark ages, nothing but savages. Don ---
**Author:** ![Don123](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e19adc/32.png) [@Don123](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Don123)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2010, 7:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mosque-to-be-built-two-blocks-from-ground-zero/539432/699 "2010-08-23T07:05:59Z")
> [@Attack\_from\_the\_3rd\_dimension](#): > > > [@Don123](#): > > > > Well, the Koran is clear the first choice is to kill all non-believers if the they are Jews, Christians, or atheist, but there is an alternative and that is tax the non-believers to death as Mohammad instructed, pay the tax, convert or die, So much for Koran and all its niceties. Allah is so merciful, he commanded a quick death by head chopping and finger removal if you are too poor to pay the tax. > > > > Here you read it; > > [http://www.vexen.co.uk/religion/islam\_unbelievers.html](http://www.vexen.co.uk/religion/islam_unbelievers.html) > > Don > > Normally I would have my doubts about the credentials of someone named _ **Vexen Crabtree** _, however, I note that she or he also has companion pages about Christianity. I think he or she may be right on the money. > > Here, you read it: _[The God of the Christian Bible is Evil](http://www.vexen.co.uk/religion/christianity_evilgod.html)_. > By the way, Don, you do realize that you are linking to a self-described Satanist, right? Or do you even read your links? > > Oh, heck, here, you read it: > > [QUOTE=Vexen Crabtree] > Once I recognized and accepted this state of affairs and adequately called myself a Satanist, I could concentrate my life on happiness, love, stability and peace. Because I know and understand that death always wins, that life is temporary, I waste no time on short-term whims that reduce my quality of life, or of those around me, and I waste no time with spiritual pipe dreams. Recognizing Satan as the personified meta-figure of reality is self-affirming, life-affirming, positive, honest and clarifying. [/QUOTE] Look, you can call me what ever you want—I do not give a shit. But the topic is Islam not Christians. If you want to say Muslims are the same as the worst low down so called Christian that ever walked on this earth that is Ok by me. If you are trying to gain points for Islam and muslims you are not doing a very good job of it. Personally I’m an atheist and I do not believe in god or gods. If you believe in a peaceful loving god backed up with holy books, and works, that is fine— just get out of my face and I will be happy. But do not come to me and try to win points for Muslims and Islam when their holy books are filled with trash and evils, and backed up with criminal acts to the gills in real life for the last 1400 years to this date. Should we have Islamic mosque in NYC—hell NO, not even one in the USA. Muslims are crazy liars to the bone and have NO sense of right or wrong and their works prove it every day. Don ---
**Author:** ![Kobal2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kobal2/32/20_2.png) [@Kobal2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kobal2)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2010, 7:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mosque-to-be-built-two-blocks-from-ground-zero/539432/700 "2010-08-23T07:11:04Z")
> [@](#): > > Your problem is context in the Koran, and I would suppose that over 630 verses of doom to non-believers set the context. The Koran is made up of, roughly, 6000+ verses. I wonder what the fuck all that padding is for, if all Islam is really all about those verses of doom to unbelievers. And, again, it’s not like the Christian Bible comes up short in the fire and brimstone department, which has already been pointed to you. And you ignored. > [@](#): > > people in the west should read the Koran and know it well I agree. Perhaps you should get a head start and read the whole thing yourself, instead of the cherry picked quotes you get from rabid hate sites. > [@](#): > > Not to mention that Allah, by your reference, found it merciful for men to beat their wife as in Q 4:34. Do you really want to go there ? Really ? I’ll give you a minute to reconsider that particular tac. Do you really expect not to get challenged on the profound misogyny found in Christianity, both in the book and behaviours across the ages ? The equality of sexes we enjoy now was conquered \*against \*your religion, certainly not thanks to it. I think the thing that drives me the most bonkers about you and your ilk (on _both_ side of the religious divide) is that you fuckers worship the _same God_. Who says the exact same things in both books : 1. Worship me 2. Tell those who don’t worship me to worship me 3. Don’t be a dick That’s it. That’s the whole of the message, over and over again. It’s really a shame people get so engrossed in rule n°2, to the point of becoming completely oblivious to rule n°3… [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mosque-to-be-built-two-blocks-from-ground-zero/539432.md?page=34) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mosque-to-be-built-two-blocks-from-ground-zero/539432.md?page=36)