# Mosque to be built two blocks from Ground Zero

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**Category:** Great Debates\
**Created:** [May 14, 2010, 2:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mosque-to-be-built-two-blocks-from-ground-zero/539432 "2010-05-14T14:36:38Z")\
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**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\
**Post date:** [August 23, 2010, 7:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mosque-to-be-built-two-blocks-from-ground-zero/539432/701 "2010-08-23T07:41:39Z")

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Well, OK, **Don** , now what? Lets say you’ve convinced somebody here, Islam is a vile, destructive, and violent force in our world, and no decent people should tolerate it.

Then what?

Do we deport the ones we’ve already got? Can my Congressman, the Hon. Keith Ellison, finish his term of office, or does he get shipped out right away? Well, heck, then, might as well declare war on all of them, since we are already pretty much drawing the line. Why fuck around?

Lets see, gonna need at minimum a Constitutional amendment. Do we have to list all the acceptable religions, or just say everybody’s cool but Islam?

Or perhaps we should be more Christian, and tolerate their continued existence and presence so long as they publicly accept their inferiority. Obviously, can’t have them in our armed forces. No good reason to let them vote, since they are all obeying their Muslim masters. Kinda like how all the Catholics obey the Pope.

Whats the plan? I mean, if you are just going to limit it to spewing venomous slander on message boards, that seems kinda weak, seeing as how they’re the very essence of all that is evil. And stuff.

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**Author:** ![Don123](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e19adc/32.png) [@Don123](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Don123)\
**Post date:** [August 23, 2010, 7:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mosque-to-be-built-two-blocks-from-ground-zero/539432/702 "2010-08-23T07:58:23Z")

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Intolerance in the Koran

Have no unbelieving friends. Kill the unbelievers wherever you find them. 4:89  
So you are a Muslim and believe in the koran? And your best friends are Muslims also that believe in the koran, then all I can say is you do and believe in much evil. You want to build a mosque in NYC, then it must be to celebrate your pleasure of having 3,000 nonbelievers killed by Islamic Jihads.  
How nice, then you Muslims get to lie about it and say how peaceful Islam is. What a joke, there is no such thing as a moderate Koran believing Muslim, it is just that some have the guts to kill the innocent and the rest of the Muslim world supports the evil acts.  
Here is the real story of building a mosque in NYC.

The disbelievers used to laugh at the believers. But the final laugh will be on them. 83:29-36  
First you blow up our buildings, kill 3,000 of our citizens, then you build a mosque two blocks away to celebrate it.  
OK, just so I know where you muzzies are coming from.  
Don

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**Author:** ![Don123](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e19adc/32.png) [@Don123](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Don123)\
**Post date:** [August 23, 2010, 8:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mosque-to-be-built-two-blocks-from-ground-zero/539432/703 "2010-08-23T08:17:29Z")

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> [@elucidator](#):
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> Well, OK, **Don** , now what? Lets say you’ve convinced somebody here, Islam is a vile, destructive, and violent force in our world, and no decent people should tolerate it.
> 
> Then what?
> 
> Do we deport the ones we’ve already got? Can my Congressman, the Hon. Keith Ellison, finish his term of office, or does he get shipped out right away? Well, heck, then, might as well declare war on all of them, since we are already pretty much drawing the line. Why fuck around?
> 
> Lets see, gonna need at minimum a Constitutional amendment. Do we have to list all the acceptable religions, or just say everybody’s cool but Islam?
> 
> Or perhaps we should be more Christian, and tolerate their continued existence and presence so long as they publicly accept their inferiority. Obviously, can’t have them in our armed forces. No good reason to let them vote, since they are all obeying their Muslim masters. Kinda like how all the Catholics obey the Pope.
> 
> Whats the plan? I mean, if you are just going to limit it to spewing venomous slander on message boards, that seems kinda weak, seeing as how they’re the very essence of all that is evil. And stuff.

We remove the religious protection of Islam because it is not a religion but political movements that clearly stand against freedoms, and stands against USA criminal and tort laws. Islamic Sharia law is 100% political, and in Islam there can be NO division of church and state, as the Islamic religion is the state.

This would be a good start, accordingly all Mosques would be taxed that would bring billions under IRS, and refusal allow any Muslims into the USA.

Then, because Islam is not recognized as a religion, USA citizens would be free to legally discriminate against them; accordingly this would place much social pressure for Muslims to deconvert to anything they want. And with some power packed education Islam would just die out as it should have 1400 years ago.

We do not have to round up all the muslims and shoot them, but they would be aware of the full social rejection and perhaps many will come back to sanity.

It is a plan anyways. We talk about the USA building other countries, well how about building the USA. You cannot have a free people that are grossly ignorant— it does not happen and never will happen.

Muslims are clearly enemies of the USA, any that disagree have never studied Islam, or they are brain washed into the worst cult that ever walked on earth.  
Don

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**Author:** ![tagos](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/bbe5ce/32.png) [@tagos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tagos)\
**Post date:** [August 23, 2010, 8:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mosque-to-be-built-two-blocks-from-ground-zero/539432/704 "2010-08-23T08:23:51Z")

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> [@Don123](#):
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> You cannot have a free people that are grossly ignorant
> 
> Don

Quoted for the burning irony.

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**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\
**Post date:** [August 23, 2010, 8:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mosque-to-be-built-two-blocks-from-ground-zero/539432/705 "2010-08-23T08:30:25Z")

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**Don123** you said that

"Muslims are commanded to do and that is to kill all non-believers. "

**That was not accurate at all**.

Also you failed to point where Mohamed ordered the female mutilations. What he allowed is not clear and it is not the same, it was not in the Koran, and there is controversy among Muslims about those out of the Koran passages, in any case **most Muslims do not practice this**. Your sources are misleading you on this. So instead of just mindlessly thinking the worse of the Muslims, one should use their divisions and support the members that do oppose the mutilations.

Repeating that all Muslims do it is not helpful or accurate.

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**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\
**Post date:** [August 23, 2010, 8:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mosque-to-be-built-two-blocks-from-ground-zero/539432/706 "2010-08-23T08:42:29Z")

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> [@Don123](#):
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> First you blow up our buildings, kill 3,000 of our citizens, then you build a mosque two blocks away to celebrate it.

Don’t be silly. As has been pointed out repeatedly, this is an entirely different group of Muslims.

> [@Don123](#):
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> We remove the religious protection of Islam because it is not a religion but political movements that clearly stand against freedoms, and stands against USA criminal and tort laws. Islamic Sharia law is 100% political, and in Islam there can be NO division of church and state, as the Islamic religion is the state.

By that logic we should remove the legal status of religion from Christianity first, since it not only has that attitude but has far more followers in this country.

> [@Don123](#):
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> Then, because Islam is not recognized as a religion, USA citizens would be free to legally discriminate against them; accordingly this would place much social pressure for Muslims to deconvert to anything they want. And with some power packed education Islam would just die out as it should have 1400 years ago.

That’s just as ridiculous. As history demonstrates, the exact opposite would occur; religion thrives under that kind of persecution.

> [@Don123](#):
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> Muslims are clearly enemies of the USA, any that disagree have never studied Islam, or they are brain washed into the worst cult that ever walked on earth.

In what way is it worse than Christianity?

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**Author:** ![Kobal2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kobal2/32/20_2.png) [@Kobal2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kobal2)\
**Post date:** [August 23, 2010, 8:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mosque-to-be-built-two-blocks-from-ground-zero/539432/707 "2010-08-23T08:44:14Z")

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> [@Don123](#):
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> We do not have to round up all the muslims and shoot them

Awww… ☹

> [@](#):
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> but they would be aware of the full social rejection and perhaps many will come back to sanity.

Ooooh can we at least make them wear yellow crescents on their jackets ?! Please ? Pretty please ?!

> [@](#):
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> It is a plan anyways. We talk about the USA building other countries, well how about building the USA. You cannot have a free people that are grossly ignorant— it does not happen and never will happen.

True. The only way to make people free is to forbid them from practising the religion they want, or from using the buildings they own as they damn well please.

> [@](#):
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> Muslims are clearly enemies of the USA, any that disagree have never studied Islam, or they are brain washed into the worst cult that ever walked on earth.

Well, that’s one way to debate, I suppose…

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**Author:** ![Don123](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e19adc/32.png) [@Don123](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Don123)\
**Post date:** [August 23, 2010, 9:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mosque-to-be-built-two-blocks-from-ground-zero/539432/708 "2010-08-23T09:17:22Z")

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> [@GIGObuster](#):
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> **Don123** you said that
> 
> "Muslims are commanded to do and that is to kill all non-believers. "
> 
> **That was not accurate at all**.
> 
> Also you failed to point where Mohamed ordered the female mutilations. What he allowed is not clear and it is not the same, it was not in the Koran, and there is controversy among Muslims about those out of the Koran passages, in any case **most Muslims do not practice this**. Your sources are misleading you on this. So instead of just mindlessly thinking the worse of the Muslims, one should use their divisions and support the members that do oppose the mutilations.
> 
> Repeating that all Muslims do it is not helpful or accurate.

You offered no referance to your clames saying I am wrong–good by and good luck to you.

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**Author:** ![Don123](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e19adc/32.png) [@Don123](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Don123)\
**Post date:** [August 23, 2010, 9:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mosque-to-be-built-two-blocks-from-ground-zero/539432/709 "2010-08-23T09:18:36Z")

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Here is more proof that Islam is political to the bone and does not live up to the standards of a religion, accordingly Islam should have no religious protection under USA laws.  
[http://www.answering-islam.org/NonMuslims/index.htm](http://www.answering-islam.org/NonMuslims/index.htm)  
As far as I am concerned this thread is closed, there is nothing left to say other than to start calling names. Accordingly you are wasting your time responding to anything I have posted as I am not going to answer you.  
I have put many references on the table, and if you don’t like it then too GD bad for you. It sounds like you have a problem.

There is nothing left to say, and no more points to be made that I have not already stated.

So good by and good luck to you.  
Don

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**Author:** ![Kobal2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kobal2/32/20_2.png) [@Kobal2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kobal2)\
**Post date:** [August 23, 2010, 9:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mosque-to-be-built-two-blocks-from-ground-zero/539432/710 "2010-08-23T09:26:55Z")

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> [@Don123](#):
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> You offered no referance to your clames saying I am wrong–good by and good luck to you.

See, that’s not how it works. You make the assertion, \*you \*prove it to the sceptics. If you don’t have a proof or reference for what you want us to believe, we naturally assume you’re pulling it out of your arse.  
As a general rule, one finds that facts, figures and opinions pulled out of someone’s arse tend to be full of shit.

This is doubly true when your assertion is “this book says X”, in which case providing proof becomes incredibly easy : just quote the book.

ETA : note that a site that says the same thing as you, without stating where _their_ info comes from does jack all as a reference - it’s just second degree ass pull.

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**Author:** ![qpw3141](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/6bbea6/32.png) [@qpw3141](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/qpw3141)\
**Post date:** [August 23, 2010, 9:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mosque-to-be-built-two-blocks-from-ground-zero/539432/711 "2010-08-23T09:28:32Z")

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> [@Don123](#):
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> As far as I am concerned this thread is closed, there is nothing left to say other than to start calling names.

Well, one name you’re not going to get called is ‘moderator’ so your opinion as to the closedness or otherwise of this thread is pretty much irrelevant.

> [@](#):
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> Accordingly you are wasting your time responding to anything I have posted as I am not going to answer you.

Ah, a variation on the old: “put your fingers in your ears and go 'la-la-la-la-la” approach.

Works every time. For a certain type of person.

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**Author:** ![BrightNShiny](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/7bcc69/32.png) [@BrightNShiny](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrightNShiny)\
**Post date:** [August 23, 2010, 9:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mosque-to-be-built-two-blocks-from-ground-zero/539432/712 "2010-08-23T09:33:27Z")

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> [@Don123](#):
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> As I said I happy that you are a god to know a good muslim from a bad one. But perhaps you should go by the Koran?

Of course, this isn’t responsive at all to my post. What’s the matter? Did my post not fit into your pre-canned responses? I wasn’t the one who said I know a good Muslim from a bad one. George W. Bush was the one who said that when he laid out our strategy of building pluralistic democracies in the Middle East. Do you think he was mistaken? Don’t respond to me with Koran verses. The reality is that we have troops on the ground fighting for the idea that Muslims are capable of building pluralistic democracies, based on George W. Bush’s idea that they were capable of doing so. Maybe you should write George W. Bush and tell him that he was mistaken for preaching that we had to sacrifice thousands of American lives in order to bring democracy to the Middle East.

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**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\
**Post date:** [August 23, 2010, 9:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mosque-to-be-built-two-blocks-from-ground-zero/539432/713 "2010-08-23T09:34:17Z")

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On another note it’s been [a busy month for the Catholics](http://www.economist.com/research/articlesBySubject/displaystory.cfm?subjectid=348993&story_id=16847842) (it’s the Economist so may require subscription - sorry!):

> [@](#):
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> On August 14th three young girls narrowly escaped serious injury in Lurgan, County Armagh, when a bomb intended for the police exploded in a nearby rubbish bin. Four days earlier a booby-trap bomb went off under the car of a former policeman in Cookstown, County Tyrone. On August 8th another bomb was planted in Kilkeel, County Down, which almost cost the lives of a Catholic policewoman and her daughter. The officer had just strapped the child into her car when she spotted the booby trap and managed to scramble her daughter to safety. On August 4th a booby-trap bomb was found under a soldier’s car in Bangor. The day before, a vehicle containing 200 pounds of home-made explosives blew up outside a police station in Londonderry. And that was only August.

By golly, they’re so evil they’re even trying to blow their own kind up!

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**Author:** ![cosmosdan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/a6a055/32.png) [@cosmosdan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cosmosdan)\
**Post date:** [August 23, 2010, 11:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mosque-to-be-built-two-blocks-from-ground-zero/539432/714 "2010-08-23T11:17:10Z")

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> [@tagos](#):
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> > [@Don123](#):
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> > You cannot have a free people that are grossly ignorant
> > 
> > Don
> 
> Quoted for the burning irony.

It burns so bright I can barely look at it.

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**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\
**Post date:** [August 23, 2010, 1:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mosque-to-be-built-two-blocks-from-ground-zero/539432/715 "2010-08-23T13:26:35Z")

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> [@Don123](#):
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> Your reference is worthless and not even relevant.
> 
> This site gives a good explanation on how to tell when a crime is religious motivated, and NOT crimes out money and lust.
> 
> [http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/Pages/TheList.htm](http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/Pages/TheList.htm)

Right, because an uncited list maintained by a site that is clearly pushing an agenda is a totally fair source.

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**Author:** ![El\_Kabong](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/el_kabong/32/496_2.png) [@El\_Kabong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/El_Kabong)\
**Post date:** [August 23, 2010, 1:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mosque-to-be-built-two-blocks-from-ground-zero/539432/716 "2010-08-23T13:57:57Z")

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> [@Don123](#):
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> OK, just so I know where you muzzies are coming from.

Muzzies?

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**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\
**Post date:** [August 23, 2010, 2:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mosque-to-be-built-two-blocks-from-ground-zero/539432/717 "2010-08-23T14:16:39Z")

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> [@Don123](#):
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> > [@GIGObuster](#):
> >
> > **Don123** you said that
> > 
> > "Muslims are commanded to do and that is to kill all non-believers. "
> > 
> > **That was not accurate at all**.
> > 
> > Also you failed to point where Mohamed ordered the female mutilations. What he allowed is not clear and it is not the same, it was not in the Koran, and there is controversy among Muslims about those out of the Koran passages, in any case **most Muslims do not practice this**. Your sources are misleading you on this. So instead of just mindlessly thinking the worse of the Muslims, one should use their divisions and support the members that do oppose the mutilations.
> > 
> > Repeating that all Muslims do it is not helpful or accurate.
> 
> You offered no referance to your clames saying I am wrong–good by and good luck to you.

Why hello again, (and no I’m not replying just to educate you) post 693 shows this is not accurate either, I did offer references. And once again, it is true that most Muslims do not consider female mutilation an order, your sources are not telling the whole truth.

[http://www.religioustolerance.org/fem\_cirm.htm](http://www.religioustolerance.org/fem_cirm.htm)

> [@](#):
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> FGM is a social custom, not a religious practice. However, in those Muslim countries where it is practice, FGM is often justified by a controversial saying attributed to the Prophet Mohammed that seem to favor sunna circumcision involving minor cutting of the clitoris. The authenticity of these sayings are unconfirmed, and some scholars have refuted them. Even if true, they only permit the practice; they do not mandate it.
> 
> FGM has probably been performed for at least 1,400 years (some references estimate 2,000 years), and started during what Muslims call “al-gahiliyyah” (the era of ignorance). The Qu’r’an, Hebrew Scriptures (Old Testament) and Christian Scriptures (New Testament) is silent on the subject. The Sunnah (the words and actions of the Prophet Mohammed) contains a reference to female circumcision.
> 
> According to the Muslim Women’s League:
> 
> ```
> "Those who advocate for FGM from an Islamic perspective commonly quote the following hadith to argue that it is required as part of the Sunnah or Tradition of the Prophet:
> 
> 'Um Atiyyat al-Ansariyyah said: A woman used to perform circumcision in Medina. The Prophet (pbuh) said to her: Do not cut too severely as that is better for a woman and more desirable for a husband'." 1,8
> 
> ```
> 
> One interpretation of this passage is that the woman was going to proceed with the circumcision anyway; Muhammad suggested that she remove a smaller amount of her genitalia than she had perhaps intended to.
> 
> This passage is regarded by many Muslims as having little credibility or authenticity. The Muslim Women’s League comments: “According to Sayyid Sabiq, renowned scholar and author of Fiqh-us-Sunnah, all hadiths concerning female circumcision are non-authentic.” 1 An extensive analysis of classical Muslim authors is available online. 2

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**Post date:** [August 23, 2010, 2:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mosque-to-be-built-two-blocks-from-ground-zero/539432/718 "2010-08-23T14:19:44Z")

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> [@El\_Kabong](#):
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> Muzzies?

> **[Urban Dictionary: muzzie](https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=muzzie)**
>
> muzzie: a muslim

> [@](#):
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> he dont eat pork. he’s a muzzie.

So, kinda like kike-lite, but cool, hip and totally nowsville, man.  
Can you dig it?

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**Post date:** [August 23, 2010, 2:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mosque-to-be-built-two-blocks-from-ground-zero/539432/719 "2010-08-23T14:20:34Z")

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> [@BrightNShiny](#):
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> I can’t even keep up with the two-minutes of hate anymore. First it was blacks, then gays, then Mexicans, now Muslims. This is a completely artificial controversy generated for purely political reasons.

I don’t think so. I think it’s a revelation of the deep-seated xenophobia, hatred, and religious intolerance of this country.

> **[Heated Opposition to a Proposed Mosque (Published 2010)](https://www.nytimes.com/2010/06/11/nyregion/11mosque.html?_r=2)**
>
> At an intense meeting, hundreds of people showed up to protest the opening of a mosque in an empty convent on Staten Island.

[http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100808/ap\_on\_re\_us/us\_mosque\_opposition](http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100808/ap_on_re_us/us_mosque_opposition)

[http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/08/22/AR2010082202895.html?hpid=topnews&sid=ST2010082202944](http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/08/22/AR2010082202895.html?hpid=topnews&sid=ST2010082202944)

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**Author:** ![Attack\_from\_the\_3rd\_dimension](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/b38774/32.png) [@Attack\_from\_the\_3rd\_dimension](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Attack_from_the_3rd_dimension)\
**Post date:** [August 23, 2010, 2:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mosque-to-be-built-two-blocks-from-ground-zero/539432/720 "2010-08-23T14:24:11Z")

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> [@Don123](#):
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> Look, you can call me what ever you want—I do not give a shit. But the topic is Islam not Christians. If you want to say Muslims are the same as the worst low down so called Christian that ever walked on this earth that is Ok by me.

Actually, since we’re not in the Pit, I can’t call you whatever I want. I will comment that your cites are laughably inadequate and you don’t seem to actually know what your are talking about - both with regards to comparative religion and US laws and traditions.

> [@](#):
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> If you are trying to gain points for Islam and muslims you are not doing a very good job of it.

Nope. Trying to gain points traditional democratic values of religious tolerance, freedom and spelling.

> [@](#):
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> Personally I’m an atheist and I do not believe in god or gods. If you believe in a peaceful loving god backed up with holy books, and works, that is fine— just get out of my face and I will be happy.

Buddhist. Nice try. I’m sure you’ll find some ill-informed trash to say about Buddhism next.

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> But do not come to me and try to win points for Muslims and Islam when their holy books are filled with trash and evils, and backed up with criminal acts to the gills in real life for the last 1400 years to this date.
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> Should we have Islamic mosque in NYC—hell NO, not even one in the USA. Muslims are crazy liars to the bone and have NO sense of right or wrong and their works prove it every day.

Did I mention above that you are not exactly a constitutional scholar? If not, let me say it now: I don’t think you’re exactly a constitutional scholar.

Anyway, you seem to have taken your ball and gone home. Good luck and God bless your little heart.

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