# Mosque to be built two blocks from Ground Zero **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [May 14, 2010, 2:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mosque-to-be-built-two-blocks-from-ground-zero/539432 "2010-05-14T14:36:38Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 44
**Author:** ![The\_Flying\_Dutchman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/9fc348/32.png) [@The\_Flying\_Dutchman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Flying_Dutchman)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2010, 3:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mosque-to-be-built-two-blocks-from-ground-zero/539432/861 "2010-08-26T15:34:40Z")
> [@gonzomax](#): > > Mosques building is undergoing trouble across America. From NYC to Mulfreesbororo, from California and Tenn. groups are protesting the building of Mosques. It seems like every week they are building a new mosque somewhere in America. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2010, 3:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mosque-to-be-built-two-blocks-from-ground-zero/539432/862 "2010-08-26T15:44:51Z")
It “seems”? Are there any new churches being built in America? Definitely. New synagogues? Almost certainly. New mosques? AAAAArooooga! AAArroooga! Danger, Will Robinson, danger! ---
**Author:** ![Attack\_from\_the\_3rd\_dimension](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/b38774/32.png) [@Attack\_from\_the\_3rd\_dimension](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Attack_from_the_3rd_dimension)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2010, 3:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mosque-to-be-built-two-blocks-from-ground-zero/539432/863 "2010-08-26T15:50:09Z")
> [@The\_Flying\_Dutchman](#): > > > [@gonzomax](#): > > > > Mosques building is undergoing trouble across America. From NYC to Mulfreesbororo, from California and Tenn. groups are protesting the building of Mosques. > > It seems like every week they are building a new mosque somewhere in America. And a new Starbucks too, that’s what really worries me. Sometimes you can see one Starbucks from another Starbucks. ---
**Author:** ![otternell](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/ecc23a/32.png) [@otternell](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/otternell)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2010, 5:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mosque-to-be-built-two-blocks-from-ground-zero/539432/864 "2010-08-26T17:12:25Z")
> [@Attack\_from\_the\_3rd\_dimension](#): > > > [@The\_Flying\_Dutchman](#): > > > > It seems like every week they are building a new mosque somewhere in America. > > And a new Starbucks too, that’s what really worries me. Sometimes you can see one Starbucks from another Starbucks. And as stated by the sage Lewis Black - that is the end of the universe! ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2010, 6:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mosque-to-be-built-two-blocks-from-ground-zero/539432/865 "2010-08-26T18:30:27Z")
> [@The\_Flying\_Dutchman](#): > > > [@gonzomax](#): > > > > Mosques building is undergoing trouble across America. From NYC to Mulfreesbororo, from California and Tenn. groups are protesting the building of Mosques. > > It seems like every week they are building a new mosque somewhere in America. Is this a problem? ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2010, 6:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mosque-to-be-built-two-blocks-from-ground-zero/539432/866 "2010-08-26T18:47:36Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > > [@The\_Flying\_Dutchman](#): > > > > It seems like every week they are building a new mosque somewhere in America. > > Is this a problem? Well, it takes up land that could otherwise have been used for perfectly good strip clubs. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2010, 7:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mosque-to-be-built-two-blocks-from-ground-zero/539432/867 "2010-08-26T19:19:39Z")
It won’t be built there. Not a chance. First off, they don’t have the money, the fund raising part was put off until the grounds could be acquired. In their naiveté, they seemed to believe that a community center dedicated to understanding and peace would not be an issue. They’re not going to get the money, because everybody who might otherwise have been generous and forthcoming will now be scared witless to be associated with it. About the only people who would offer money would be precisely those Islamic fanatics eager to foster hatred of America, because they are tickled pink at the propaganda victory they have been handed. The well has been totally poisoned, no water can be drawn. If they actually built it, it would be a huge target for terrorist attack, either from anti-Muslim fanatics, or anti-Sufi fanatics within Islam. (IF Bin Laden had but one bullet, and could shoot either a Jew or a Sufi, its even money which he’d pick). What good is a community center if the community is afraid to go there? It won’t happen. A crying shame, in my estimation, but there you have it. Dead as a doornail. ---
**Author:** ![cosmosdan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/a6a055/32.png) [@cosmosdan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cosmosdan)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2010, 7:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mosque-to-be-built-two-blocks-from-ground-zero/539432/868 "2010-08-26T19:30:52Z")
> [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](#): > > Well, it takes up land that could otherwise have been used for perfectly good strip clubs. Dam you! Now I have to be against it. ---
**Author:** ![cosmosdan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/a6a055/32.png) [@cosmosdan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cosmosdan)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2010, 7:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mosque-to-be-built-two-blocks-from-ground-zero/539432/869 "2010-08-26T19:36:52Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > It won’t be built there. Not a chance. First off, they don’t have the money, the fund raising part was put off until the grounds could be acquired. In their naiveté, they seemed to believe that a community center dedicated to understanding and peace would not be an issue. > > They’re not going to get the money, because everybody who might otherwise have been generous and forthcoming will now be scared witless to be associated with it. About the only people who would offer money would be precisely those Islamic fanatics eager to foster hatred of America, because they are tickled pink at the propaganda victory they have been handed. > > The well has been totally poisoned, no water can be drawn. If they actually built it, it would be a huge target for terrorist attack, either from anti-Muslim fanatics, or anti-Sufi fanatics within Islam. (IF Bin Laden had but one bullet, and could shoot either a Jew or a Sufi, its even money which he’d pick). > > What good is a community center if the community is afraid to go there? > > It won’t happen. A crying shame, in my estimation, but there you have it. Dead as a doornail. It is, but perhaps something positive will be salvaged. Just as the election of Obama forced us to confront still present racism, maybe this issue will force us to confront religious intolerance that was below the surface anyway. They could also scale back their plans and simply renovate the existing building for now and still have the outreach they planned, just maybe not a pool. ---
**Author:** ![Bridget\_Burke](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/7cd45c/32.png) [@Bridget\_Burke](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bridget_Burke)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2010, 7:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mosque-to-be-built-two-blocks-from-ground-zero/539432/870 "2010-08-26T19:53:36Z")
> [@otternell](#): > > > [@Attack\_from\_the\_3rd\_dimension](#): > > > > And a new Starbucks too, that’s what really worries me. Sometimes you can see one Starbucks from another Starbucks. > > And as stated by the sage Lewis Black - that is the end of the universe! That was when there were two Starbucks facing each other across West Gray here in Houston. Then a Barnes & Noble was built into the historically important shopping center, using a hideously ugly design. (Texas Tuscan does not mix well with Art Deco.) It’s right next to one of the Starbucks. Of course, they installed a third Starbucks–inside the Barnes & Noble. No wonder things are going to shit… ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2010, 7:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mosque-to-be-built-two-blocks-from-ground-zero/539432/871 "2010-08-26T19:58:40Z")
> [@](#): > > …still have the outreach they planned, just maybe not a pool. No. Scaled down won’t help, there is nothing so utterly innocent that they could put there that wouldn’t attract attention. A cultural center is a propaganda tool, a gymnasium is a terrorist training center. Their original intent, and I take them at their word, was entirely innocent and admirable, little more than an Islamic YMCA. Innocence is no defense against ignorance and bigotry. They will sell the site, and it will return to its previous condition as a monument to the memory of American manufacturing. ---
**Author:** ![cosmosdan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/a6a055/32.png) [@cosmosdan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cosmosdan)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2010, 8:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mosque-to-be-built-two-blocks-from-ground-zero/539432/872 "2010-08-26T20:06:07Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > > [@](#): > > > > …still have the outreach they planned, just maybe not a pool. > > No. Scaled down won’t help, there is nothing so utterly innocent that they could put there that wouldn’t attract attention. A cultural center is a propaganda tool, a gymnasium is a terrorist training center. Their original intent, and I take them at their word, was entirely innocent and admirable, little more than an Islamic YMCA. Innocence is no defense against ignorance and bigotry. > > They will sell the site, and it will return to its previous condition as a monument to the memory of American manufacturing. That is sad. I’m not convinced they’ll sell it and give up. I’m hoping they and some investor{s} have the balls to take a stand against religious intolerance. With all the outrage and threats of those who embrace hate , consistently in our history, once the right thing is fought for and forced through, eventually it’s recognized as the right decision. I believe they’ve already said they’d be open to relocating if investors made it economically feasible. ---
**Author:** ![cosmosdan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/a6a055/32.png) [@cosmosdan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cosmosdan)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2010, 8:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mosque-to-be-built-two-blocks-from-ground-zero/539432/873 "2010-08-26T20:07:19Z")
> [@Bridget\_Burke](#): > > > [@otternell](#): > > > > And as stated by the sage Lewis Black - that is the end of the universe! > > That was when there were two Starbucks facing each other across West Gray here in Houston. Then a Barnes & Noble was built into the historically important shopping center, using a hideously ugly design. (Texas Tuscan does not mix well with Art Deco.) It’s right next to one of the Starbucks. Of course, they installed a third Starbucks–inside the Barnes & Noble. > > No wonder things are going to shit… Wait, are you saying Alaweed owns part of Starbucks too. No Ipod, no Pepsi and no Starbucks? We are so fucked. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Flying\_Dutchman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/9fc348/32.png) [@The\_Flying\_Dutchman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Flying_Dutchman)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2010, 10:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mosque-to-be-built-two-blocks-from-ground-zero/539432/874 "2010-08-26T22:48:32Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > > [@The\_Flying\_Dutchman](#): > > > > It seems like every week they are building a new mosque somewhere in America. > > Is this a problem? No. Why do you ask? ---
**Author:** ![gonzomax](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e8c25b/32.png) [@gonzomax](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gonzomax)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2010, 10:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mosque-to-be-built-two-blocks-from-ground-zero/539432/875 "2010-08-26T22:59:20Z")
Even on this board that is supposed to have intelligent and liberal people, there is plenty of bigotry and hatred for a “different” religion. I wonder how bad a right wing board would be like? It would be dangerous to build a mosque in most of America now. In Dearborn where I live, we have several and the latest one is a beautiful building. I have no urge to knock it down. [http://www.google.com/images?q=Dearborn+mosque&um=1&ie=UTF-8&source=univ&ei=0vF2TL6WLsnFnAen0e2TCw&sa=X&oi=image\_result\_group&ct=title&resnum=8&ved=0CEUQsAQwBw&biw=1600&bih=835](http://www.google.com/images?q=Dearborn+mosque&um=1&ie=UTF-8&source=univ&ei=0vF2TL6WLsnFnAen0e2TCw&sa=X&oi=image_result_group&ct=title&resnum=8&ved=0CEUQsAQwBw&biw=1600&bih=835) ---
**Author:** ![cosmosdan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/a6a055/32.png) [@cosmosdan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cosmosdan)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2010, 11:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mosque-to-be-built-two-blocks-from-ground-zero/539432/876 "2010-08-26T23:29:34Z")
> [@gonzomax](#): > > Even on this board that is supposed to have intelligent and liberal people, there is plenty of bigotry and hatred for a “different” religion. I wonder how bad a right wing board would be like? It would be dangerous to build a mosque in most of America now. In Dearborn where I live, we have several and the latest one is a beautiful building. I have no urge to knock it down. > [Dearborn mosque - Google Search](http://www.google.com/images?q=Dearborn+mosque&um=1&ie=UTF-8&source=univ&ei=0vF2TL6WLsnFnAen0e2TCw&sa=X&oi=image_result_group&ct=title&resnum=8&ved=0CEUQsAQwBw&biw=1600&bih=835) [A HA!!](http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://app.icontact.com/icp/loadimage.php/mogile/143326/fb7b6931e716ab825783d2e28708449e/image/jpeg&) ---
**Author:** ![GSV\_Consolation\_of\_Dreams](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/f1d935/32.png) [@GSV\_Consolation\_of\_Dreams](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GSV_Consolation_of_Dreams)\ **Post date:** [August 27, 2010, 5:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mosque-to-be-built-two-blocks-from-ground-zero/539432/877 "2010-08-27T05:19:45Z")
Linky no worky. ---
**Author:** ![OttoDaFe](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ottodafe/32/356_2.png) [@OttoDaFe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/OttoDaFe)\ **Post date:** [August 27, 2010, 1:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mosque-to-be-built-two-blocks-from-ground-zero/539432/878 "2010-08-27T13:03:11Z")
> [@GSV\_Consolation\_of\_Dreams](#): > > Linky no worky. Doesn’t work for me, either; but if I had to guess, I’d say **cosmosdan** is referring to the picture on page 2 that shows Barack _Hussein_ Obama with the (presumed) imam. ---
**Author:** ![cosmosdan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/a6a055/32.png) [@cosmosdan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cosmosdan)\ **Post date:** [August 27, 2010, 1:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mosque-to-be-built-two-blocks-from-ground-zero/539432/879 "2010-08-27T13:47:41Z")
> [@OttoDaFe](#): > > > [@GSV\_Consolation\_of\_Dreams](#): > > > > Linky no worky. > > Doesn’t work for me, either; but if I had to guess, I’d say **cosmosdan** is referring to the picture on page 2 that shows Barack _Hussein_ Obama with the (presumed) imam. Good call. That’s the one, meant in jest. Sorry the link didn’t work. I’m a little confused with browsers not isolating the pictures in the same way. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [August 27, 2010, 2:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mosque-to-be-built-two-blocks-from-ground-zero/539432/880 "2010-08-27T14:02:46Z")
I get nothing at all, no page one, no page two, zip, zilch, nada damn thing… OMG! Google is in on it! They’ve gone totally darkside! [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mosque-to-be-built-two-blocks-from-ground-zero/539432.md?page=43) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mosque-to-be-built-two-blocks-from-ground-zero/539432.md?page=45)