# Most amazing/outlandish Trump facts. **URL:** \ **Category:** In My Humble Opinion\ **Created:** [August 18, 2018, 4:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/most-amazing-outlandish-trump-facts/819835 "2018-08-18T16:21:52Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Desert\_Nomad](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/desert_nomad/32/177_2.png) [@Desert\_Nomad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Desert_Nomad)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2018, 11:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/most-amazing-outlandish-trump-facts/819835/41 "2018-08-19T23:23:32Z")
> [@running\_coach](#): > > How many of those jobs were in his bankrupt companies? How many small businesses have folded because he refused to pay them? I understand he has stiffed suppliers but I still think his net job creation is positive. The Trump Organization has about 22,450 employees, not counting jobs at their suppliers. I have 2 employees. How many do you have? ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2018, 11:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/most-amazing-outlandish-trump-facts/819835/42 "2018-08-19T23:38:23Z")
> [@Desert\_Nomad](#): > > I understand he has stiffed suppliers but I still think his net job creation is positive. The Trump Organization has about 22,450 employees, not counting jobs at their suppliers. > > I have 2 employees. > > **How many do you have?** Is that supposed to determine if my point is valid? How many of those jobs are in the US? The suppliers of the Trump Org. are largely overseas. All of Trumps’s products are made overseas as are/were Ivanka’s. ---
**Author:** ![Desert\_Nomad](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/desert_nomad/32/177_2.png) [@Desert\_Nomad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Desert_Nomad)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2018, 11:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/most-amazing-outlandish-trump-facts/819835/43 "2018-08-19T23:45:40Z")
> [@running\_coach](#): > > The suppliers of the Trump Org. are largely overseas. All of Trumps’s products are made overseas as are/were Ivanka’s. That may well be, but according to CNN they (in 2017) were the 48th largest privately held company in the US. I’d say that’s a pretty good turnout for a 1 million dollar start. > **[Trump Organization is now America's 48th largest private company](https://money.cnn.com/2016/12/15/investing/trump-organization-48th-largest-private-company/)** > > Trump Organization is now one of America's top 50 private businesses. It employees 22,450 people and made $9.5 billion last year, according to PrivCo. As to making stuff overseas, I would expect a company to make things where ever they are cheapest and most efficient to make. ---
**Author:** ![Desert\_Nomad](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/desert_nomad/32/177_2.png) [@Desert\_Nomad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Desert_Nomad)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2018, 11:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/most-amazing-outlandish-trump-facts/819835/44 "2018-08-19T23:47:35Z")
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**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2018, 12:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/most-amazing-outlandish-trump-facts/819835/45 "2018-08-20T00:04:31Z")
> [@Desert\_Nomad](#): > > That may well be, but according to CNN they (in 2017) were the 48th largest privately held company in the US. I’d say that’s a pretty good turnout for a 1 million dollar start. The article points out that Trump’s business has grown substantially in value since he became President. Considering the numerous reports of people, organizations, and foreign countries that are offering favorable business deals to Trump’s company in exchange for him giving them favorable government deals, it’s no surprise his business has grown. He now has the office of the Presidency to sell. > [@Desert\_Nomad](#): > > As to making stuff overseas, I would expect a company to make things where ever they are cheapest and most efficient to make. Then why did you bring up the subject of jobs if you now think it’s not important? ---
**Author:** ![Desert\_Nomad](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/desert_nomad/32/177_2.png) [@Desert\_Nomad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Desert_Nomad)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2018, 12:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/most-amazing-outlandish-trump-facts/819835/46 "2018-08-20T00:14:33Z")
> [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > Then why did you bring up the subject of jobs if you now think it’s not important? I think jobs are important wherever they are, not just in the USA. If it’s cheaper to make something in China, then it should be made there (which will still create jobs). ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2018, 12:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/most-amazing-outlandish-trump-facts/819835/47 "2018-08-20T00:29:43Z")
> [@Desert\_Nomad](#): > > Trump turned a 1 million loan into several billion dollars and created countless jobs. Yeah, about that, the fact is that Trump stretched the truth. > **[Trump’s false claim he built his empire with a ‘small loan’ from his father](https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/fact-checker/wp/2016/03/03/trumps-false-claim-he-built-his-empire-with-a-small-loan-from-his-father/?utm_term=.e3e659fd49e8)** > > Trump's father paved the way for his success in many ways, with numerous loans and loan guarantees > [@](#): > > The Pinocchio Test > > Trump protests too much when he says that Rubio’s $200-million figure is “wrong by a factor of hundreds.” Trump likely did not inherit $200 million by himself, though perhaps that was the size of the father’s estate, before taxes. > > Moreover, Trump’s claim that he built a real-estate fortune out of a “small” $1 million loan is simply not credible. He benefited from numerous loans and loan guarantees, as well as his father’s connections, to make the move into Manhattan. His father also set up lucrative trusts to provide steady income. When Donald Trump became overextended in the casino business, his father bailed him out with a shady casino-chip loan—and Trump also borrowed $9 million against his future inheritance. While Trump asserts “it has not been easy for me,” he glosses over the fact that his father paved the way for his success — and that his father bailed him out when he got into trouble. > > For ignoring and playing down the substantial advantages his father’s wealth gave him, Trump earns Four Pinocchios. > > Four Pinocchios > [@Desert\_Nomad](#): > > Disclaimer: I didn’t vote for him. That is ok, I did not either. ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2018, 12:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/most-amazing-outlandish-trump-facts/819835/48 "2018-08-20T00:31:27Z")
> [@Projammer](#): > > Trump beat 16 contenders to become the Republican presidential nominee and then he turned around and defeated the best candidate the Democrats had to offer. > > If you are a US citizen, he is your president. 1. He got about 3 million less votes than the Democratic candidate. 2. He called for the abolishing of the electoral college, tweeting, “The electoral college is a disaster for a democracy.” ---
**Author:** ![Desert\_Nomad](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/desert_nomad/32/177_2.png) [@Desert\_Nomad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Desert_Nomad)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2018, 1:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/most-amazing-outlandish-trump-facts/819835/49 "2018-08-20T01:02:39Z")
> [@Mahaloth](#): > > 1. He got about 3 million less votes than the Democratic candidate. > > 2. He called for the abolishing of the electoral college, tweeting, “The electoral college is a disaster for a democracy.” Both of those are true but in my opinion he is wrong about the EC. I think it is very important and the founding fathers were smart enough to see fit to create it. But then I am a Libertarian and think the most important Amendment is the 10th. ---
**Author:** ![clairobscur](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/839c29/32.png) [@clairobscur](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/clairobscur)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2018, 8:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/most-amazing-outlandish-trump-facts/819835/50 "2018-08-20T08:29:37Z")
> [@Stranger\_On\_A\_Train](#): > > Donald Trump has run multiple casinos–a business with a statistically guaranteed gross profit–into bankruptcy. The casino is statistically guaranteed to win at the tables. It’s absolutely not guaranteed a profit. If it was, everybody would open a casino. ---
**Author:** ![Dewey\_Finn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dewey_finn/32/4222_2.png) [@Dewey\_Finn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dewey_Finn)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2018, 12:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/most-amazing-outlandish-trump-facts/819835/51 "2018-08-20T12:59:01Z")
One of Donald Trump’s lawyer and advisers early on was Roy Cohn. In some respects, Trump’s campaign was modeled on classic Roy Cohn moves. And yet Roy Cohn first got famous as right-hand man to Joseph McCarthy, the rabidly anti-Communist senator. I find it ironic that Trump is in bed with the Russians. ---
**Author:** ![Tired\_and\_Cranky](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/a87d85/32.png) [@Tired\_and\_Cranky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tired_and_Cranky)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2018, 1:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/most-amazing-outlandish-trump-facts/819835/52 "2018-08-20T13:06:51Z")
> [@Desert\_Nomad](#): > > Trump turned a 1 million loan into several billion dollars and created countless jobs. > > Disclaimer: I didn’t vote for him. That is a highly dubious claim that can be traced back only to Donald Trump, who has admitted under oath to lying repeatedly about his wealth. > **[In 2007, Trump was forced to face his own falsehoods. And he did, 30 times.](https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/politics/2016-election/trump-lies/?utm_term=.b2c900ddfcc5)** > > For two straight days, lawyers for a reporter Trump had sued asked the businessman question after question on the same theme: Trump’s honesty. [https://www.bloomberg.com/view/articles/2018-01-25/i-ve-watched-trump-testify-under-oath-it-isn-t-pretty](https://www.bloomberg.com/view/articles/2018-01-25/i-ve-watched-trump-testify-under-oath-it-isn-t-pretty) [http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/opinion/commentary/ct-trump-lies-under-oath-20170612-story.html](http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/opinion/commentary/ct-trump-lies-under-oath-20170612-story.html) The facts are that he probably got way more than $1 million to start, his father bailed him out of his own financial catastrophes as he grew his business, and his current businesses are cumulatively worth a small fraction of what he says they are worth. > **[Here’s How Much Donald Trump Is Worth](https://www.forbes.com/sites/danalexander/article/the-definitive-networth-of-donaldtrump/)** > > What’s Donald Trump really worth? People have been asking the question for decades, though never with as much urgency as they are today. > [@Desert\_Nomad](#): > > I understand he has stiffed suppliers but I still think his net job creation is positive. The Trump Organization has about 22,450 employees, not counting jobs at their suppliers. > > I have 2 employees. > > How many do you have? I can find no source that says the Trump Organization has 22,500 employees not counting suppliers. Someone linked to [a CNN article](https://money.cnn.com/2016/12/15/investing/trump-organization-48th-largest-private-company/)that says a company called “PrivCo” that I’ve never heard of asserts that the Trump Organization has 22,500 employees but the article says only that it came up with the estimate “based on all available information as well as interviews and industry trends. It also looks at the financials of similarly sized companies that are public.” As noted above, the public information about Trump’s net worth is essentially all lies or broad based estimates from government forms which (1) greatly overstate the range of potential net worth, and (2) are also based on Trump’s unreasonable estimates of his own wealth. My hunch is that the 22,500 employees, if it is even remotely accurate, counts suppliers and employees of properties where he licenses his name but otherwise has limited or no ownership interest or control. For instance, should we count as his employees people who work at a Trump-branded hotel where he owns, at best, a minority number of hotel units and where the owners are trying to push him out of control? [https://www.nytimes.com/2018/02/26/world/americas/panama-trump-hotel-dispute.html](https://www.nytimes.com/2018/02/26/world/americas/panama-trump-hotel-dispute.html) If PrivCo is including employees of suppliers in Trump’s total, I can too. My suppliers include Walmart and Amazon, so I have over 2.8 million employees. ---
**Author:** ![Annie-Xmas](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ecc23a/32.png) [@Annie-Xmas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Annie-Xmas)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2018, 1:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/most-amazing-outlandish-trump-facts/819835/53 "2018-08-20T13:43:24Z")
After the fact, believers “found” a Nostradamus quatrain that “predicted” Trump’s presidency: Century III, quatrain 81 refers to the 2016 presidential election. ``` Le grand criard sans honte audacieux, Sera esleu gouuerneur de l'armee: La hardiesse de son contenteur Le pont rompu, cité de pur pasmee. ``` Translation: ``` The great shameless, audacious bawler, He will be elected governor of the army: The boldness of his contention, The bridge broken, the city faint from fear ``` ---
**Author:** ![Napier](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/ce73a5/32.png) [@Napier](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Napier)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2018, 1:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/most-amazing-outlandish-trump-facts/819835/54 "2018-08-22T01:53:33Z")
He’s only two years younger than his father in law. ---
**Author:** ![dorvann](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/df705f/32.png) [@dorvann](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dorvann)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2018, 4:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/most-amazing-outlandish-trump-facts/819835/55 "2018-08-22T04:06:31Z")
Donald Trump, Bill Clinton, and George W. Bush were all born in 1946-within 90 days of each other. Also, there is good possibility he could be the last baby boomer to be president. ---
**Author:** ![Ann\_Hedonia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ann_hedonia/32/319_2.png) [@Ann\_Hedonia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ann_Hedonia)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2018, 10:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/most-amazing-outlandish-trump-facts/819835/56 "2018-08-22T10:31:45Z")
Apparently there is not a women’s restroom for employees in the basement of Trump Tower. I worked construction on a small apartment in Trump Tower. Since the apartment was a tear down , there wasn’t a working bathroom. The guys got to use the bathroom in the basement provided for the security and maintenance workers. But I guess they are so sure they will never have a female security or maintenance employee that there is no women’s bathroom. Or if there is one, it is used for storage or something, because I can’t believe they got away with not building one. So after taking the elevator down 50 floors to the basement - the closest women’s room is in the public space. Which means I have to take another elevator back up to the sidewalk, exit the building, and enter the public space through another entrance The public spaces in buildings like Trump Tower are a concession to the city and they are designed to be as inhospitable as possible. The one in Trump Tower is an under lit cave of some sort of black stone that features really loud piano music during lunch hour. And the well hidden public restrooms are closed for cleaning about 90% of the time. So I have to exit again, walk around the block to the entrance to the tacky atrium and ride up and down those escalators searching for a women’s room. Luckily I only worked at this site for 3 or 4 days. After the first day, I just didn’t consume any liquids. ---
**Author:** ![CurtC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ce73a5/32.png) [@CurtC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CurtC)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2018, 2:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/most-amazing-outlandish-trump-facts/819835/57 "2018-08-22T14:25:05Z")
> [@Ann\_Hedonia](#): > > So after taking the elevator down 50 floors to the basement - the closest women’s room is in the public space. Which means I have to take another elevator back up to the sidewalk… Holy cow, that’s a deep basement. ---
**Author:** ![Ann\_Hedonia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ann_hedonia/32/319_2.png) [@Ann\_Hedonia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ann_Hedonia)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2018, 2:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/most-amazing-outlandish-trump-facts/819835/58 "2018-08-22T14:49:15Z")
> [@CurtC](#): > > Holy cow, that’s a deep basement. My client’s apartment was on a high floor. ---
**Author:** ![Ann\_Hedonia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ann_hedonia/32/319_2.png) [@Ann\_Hedonia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ann_Hedonia)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2018, 2:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/most-amazing-outlandish-trump-facts/819835/59 "2018-08-22T14:55:45Z")
Speaking of Trump and peeing, did anyone mention Trump vitamins? It was one of his earlier scams – if you sent in $140 and a vial of your pee, you would receive a bottle of vitamins. “Scientifically” designed for you based on your pee. Which was bogus, just another scam. But I wonder what he did with all that pee. > **[Exactly How Bogus Were Those 'Trump Vitamins?'](https://www.huffpost.com/entry/exactly-how-bogus-were-th_b_10268610)** > > Nutrition experts interviewed by Healthline say the problem is that there is no proof the Trump vitamins provided any benefit to the people who bought them. ---
**Author:** ![BobLibDem](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/boblibdem/32/3149_2.png) [@BobLibDem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BobLibDem)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2018, 2:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/most-amazing-outlandish-trump-facts/819835/60 "2018-08-22T14:57:24Z")
Most amazing and outlandish to me was that even one person voted for him. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/most-amazing-outlandish-trump-facts/819835.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/most-amazing-outlandish-trump-facts/819835.md?page=4)