# Most Americans oppose offshoring. We need to take action. **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [January 1, 2011, 9:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/most-americans-oppose-offshoring-we-need-to-take-action/566080 "2011-01-01T21:25:25Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 33
**Author:** ![XT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/xt/32/456_2.png) [@XT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/XT)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2011, 3:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/most-americans-oppose-offshoring-we-need-to-take-action/566080/641 "2011-02-16T03:13:16Z")
[QUOTE=Le Jacquelope] Yap, yap, yap. You guys have never done an honest day of work in your entire lives. [/QUOTE] Says the guy who claims to be a gagillionaire. 😛 > [@](#): > > You live in your mommy’s basement waiting for her to kick the bucket and cough up some inheritance. Sure 'mano. Keep telling yourself that. > [@](#): > > Wait’ll the dollar collapses and all your precious offshoring dies anyway. I hope you are holding your breath waiting for the dollar to collapse and offshoring to die away. To paraphrase Kermit The Frog…it’s not easy, being blue… > [@](#): > > BTW it’s nice to see you backed down on your moronic Comparative Advantage argument which you ultimately were too scared to actually make. Did you ever get someone to help you comprehend those words ‘labor arbitrage’ or ‘law of iron wages’ yet? Considering your own lack of comprehension and the fact that you (supposedly) have everyone on ignore, how would you know? Since you lack even a basic understanding of the topic…plus are dumber than a box of rocks…how would you know if ‘we’ backed down from it or not? I didn’t notice any backing down, but hell, it’s your fantasy. It is fun to see you squirm and handwave, however. -XT ---
**Author:** ![Lord\_Ashtar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7ea924/32.png) [@Lord\_Ashtar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lord_Ashtar)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2011, 3:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/most-americans-oppose-offshoring-we-need-to-take-action/566080/642 "2011-02-16T03:56:13Z")
> [@Le\_Jacquelope](#): > > Did you ever get someone to help you comprehend those words ‘labor arbitrage’ or ‘law of iron wages’ yet? 😃 Are you sure you understand these concepts? I’m willing to help you with the hard words if you tell me which ones are giving you trouble. ---
**Author:** ![Le\_Jacquelope](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/e0b2c6/32.png) [@Le\_Jacquelope](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Le_Jacquelope)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2011, 5:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/most-americans-oppose-offshoring-we-need-to-take-action/566080/643 "2011-02-16T05:49:02Z")
> [@Lord\_Ashtar](#): > > Are you sure you understand these concepts? I’m willing to help you with the hard words if you tell me which ones are giving you trouble. You, sir, are the last person to be helping anyone with anything. You have yet to explain what you think I got wrong about comparative advantage when I explained it to you. The fact is, you can’t, because I didn’t get anything wrong. I would say you show the economic knowledge of a peanut but I won’t on the off chance that one might go sentient and sue me for libel. That in fact is more likely to happen than you are ever likely to say something accurate about the costs and benefits of offshoring American jobs. You and your pals on the SDMB are a bunch of idiots. Fortunately you are a dying breed. Thank God. ---
**Author:** ![emacknight](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/3ec8ea/32.png) [@emacknight](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/emacknight)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2011, 5:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/most-americans-oppose-offshoring-we-need-to-take-action/566080/644 "2011-02-16T05:57:34Z")
> [@Le\_Jacquelope](#): > > That in fact is more likely to happen than you are ever likely to say something accurate about the costs and benefits of offshoring American jobs. And yet you continue to use your offshored computer, router, and modem. Almost as if their affordability is a benefit to you. ---
**Author:** ![Le\_Jacquelope](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/e0b2c6/32.png) [@Le\_Jacquelope](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Le_Jacquelope)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2011, 8:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/most-americans-oppose-offshoring-we-need-to-take-action/566080/645 "2011-02-16T08:10:26Z")
And to the fucking idiots on here who said that trade deficits don’t add to the national debt… [America’s Trade Deficit Is, Too, Real Money](http://www.huffingtonpost.com/ian-fletcher/americas-trade-deficit-is_b_823785.html) ---
**Author:** ![TravisFromOR](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/cc9497/32.png) [@TravisFromOR](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TravisFromOR)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2011, 8:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/most-americans-oppose-offshoring-we-need-to-take-action/566080/646 "2011-02-16T08:17:59Z")
> [@Le\_Jacquelope](#): > > And to the fucking idiots on here who said that trade deficits don’t add to the national debt… > > [America’s Trade Deficit Is, Too, Real Money](http://www.huffingtonpost.com/ian-fletcher/americas-trade-deficit-is_b_823785.html) Nice copy and paste. Did you actually read it? And if you did, did you actually understand it? (My guess is that you did neither, as it doesn’t help your point in the least.) ---
**Author:** ![Lord\_Ashtar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7ea924/32.png) [@Lord\_Ashtar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lord_Ashtar)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2011, 3:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/most-americans-oppose-offshoring-we-need-to-take-action/566080/647 "2011-02-16T15:02:39Z")
> [@Le\_Jacquelope](#): > > And to the fucking idiots on here who said that trade deficits don’t add to the national debt… Who said that? ---
**Author:** ![Paranoid\_Randroid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/paranoid_randroid/32/18_2.png) [@Paranoid\_Randroid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Paranoid_Randroid)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2011, 4:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/most-americans-oppose-offshoring-we-need-to-take-action/566080/648 "2011-02-16T16:02:33Z")
> [@Le\_Jacquelope](#): > > You, sir, are the last person to be helping anyone with anything. You have yet to explain what you think I got wrong about comparative advantage when I explained it to you. The fact is, you can’t, because I didn’t get anything wrong. Well … looking back, you really didn’t explain anything about comparative advantage – what you offered wasn’t even the outline of a caricature. Comparative advantage refers to the ability of one party to produce some good at a lower cost than another party _relative to the cost of producing anything else_. Within your simple example: even if the US is better than China at both manufacturing and research, it makes sense for the US to do relatively more research and China to do relatively more manufacturing. Which is not to say that China should do _all_ manufacturing and the US _all_ research. It merely opens the possibility that the US might be better off shifting some manufacturing to China and reallocating those resources to research. Your conclusion in the post to which I refer – about what happens “in reality” – was a non sequitur. Now, I’m a micro guy, my knowledge of international trade theory is pretty dismal relative to other economists(-in-training). If you’d like to explain specifically how the concept of comparative advantage does not support offshoring, I’m open to reading the argument. (You were not, by the by, the only individual posting in this thread with some misunderstanding about comparative advantage. I shan’t name names …) ---
**Author:** ![XT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/xt/32/456_2.png) [@XT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/XT)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2011, 5:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/most-americans-oppose-offshoring-we-need-to-take-action/566080/649 "2011-02-16T17:37:35Z")
Ah, you might as well name names. If I was one of them, it won’t hurt my feelings and he’d probably get a kick out of me being wrong about that coming from another posters other than himself. 😛 [QUOTE=Lord Ashtar] Who said that? [/QUOTE] As far as I know no one said that…he made it up, or it’s yet another example of his inability to read what people are actually writing, instead of what he thinks they are writing. He has the same problem with his own cites. -XT ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2011, 7:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/most-americans-oppose-offshoring-we-need-to-take-action/566080/650 "2011-02-16T19:33:14Z")
**Le Jaquelope** , please do not repost entire articles on the SDMB. I’ve your post down to a link to the blog you were posting from. No warning issued. ---
**Author:** ![Le\_Jacquelope](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/e0b2c6/32.png) [@Le\_Jacquelope](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Le_Jacquelope)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2011, 11:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/most-americans-oppose-offshoring-we-need-to-take-action/566080/651 "2011-02-18T23:23:55Z")
Offshoring is well on its way to destroying itself. More people around the world are starting to notice. > **[Davos debate: 'The West isn't Working'](https://financialpost.com/news/economy/22593)** > > One of this morning’s sessions in Davos was a debate panel provocatively titled: ---
**Author:** ![XT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/xt/32/456_2.png) [@XT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/XT)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2011, 11:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/most-americans-oppose-offshoring-we-need-to-take-action/566080/652 "2011-02-18T23:42:17Z")
Oh…you still about Jac? Thought you had tucked tail and slunk on back to your old message board. Let’s see…from your cite: > [@](#): > > By 2015 China’s economy will be roughly equal to the U.S.’s by 2015. (My snide aside: Once China has surpassed the U.S. will we begin calling the U.S. an emerging economy?) The guy should have clicked on the handy link just above this snide statement, since it shows the Chinese GDP at $9 trillion by 2015…which, even if true, is $5 trillion less than the US is today. > [@](#): > > Laura Tyson, the former Chair of the Council of Economic Advisers during the Clinton Administration said she’d looked at all the studies and up to recession outsourcing caused no net U.S. job losses –- but I’m having trouble believing her statement. Millions of U.S. jobs in the IT, corporate finance and other white collar jobs have been offshored over the last decade. For Tyson, working with both Clinton and Obama administrations, saying anything else would be political unpalatable. So…the um, author here has a hard time believing this statement, but offers nothing to back his suspicion up except a gut feeling that it must be wrong. Yep…this is definitely top shelf stuff Jac. On par with most of your links. I do have to admit that at least this time it seems to actually be close to the subject at hand, which is a refreshing change for you. Dude, seriously…you need to try harder. Well, maybe Gonzo will like the opinion piece ehe? -XT ---
**Author:** ![Le\_Jacquelope](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/e0b2c6/32.png) [@Le\_Jacquelope](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Le_Jacquelope)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2011, 11:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/most-americans-oppose-offshoring-we-need-to-take-action/566080/653 "2011-02-18T23:52:57Z")
More proof that China’s tariffs are destroying them… > **[Latest Forex Investment Analysis Articles | Seeking Alpha](https://seekingalpha.com/market-outlook/forex)** > > Seeking Alpha contributor analysis of forex rates and key currencies as it relates to U.S. investors. Come read analysis of dollar, euro, and more. > [@](#): > > # High Tariff Rates. China imposes high tariffs (about 25%) on a wide variety of U.S. products including cars, trucks, motorcycles, tariffs, textiles, raisins, and mining machinerly. Tell ya what, though. The US dollar is threatened with collapse - and when that happens, bye bye offshoring. It’ll be interesting to see your “import Chinese shit from Canada” scheme blow up in your face when it’s too expensive to import from CANADA. LOL. ---
**Author:** ![kidchameleon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/898d66/32.png) [@kidchameleon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kidchameleon)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2011, 11:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/most-americans-oppose-offshoring-we-need-to-take-action/566080/654 "2011-02-18T23:59:30Z")
Le Jacquelope, Are you stupid or a troll? I ask because they are the only conclusions I can reach. You have written and posted links here. For whatever reason, be it your premise being incorrect or the denizens here being unable to understand them, the outcome is the same, we’ve reached an impass (well, reached it along ago). You’re not changing anyone’s mind. You’re not educating anybody. Either you are too stupid to understand this and persist because you are incapable of coming to this rationalization or you simply enjoy stirring up everyone. Which is it? Are you stupid or a troll? ---
**Author:** ![Lord\_Ashtar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7ea924/32.png) [@Lord\_Ashtar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lord_Ashtar)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2011, 12:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/most-americans-oppose-offshoring-we-need-to-take-action/566080/655 "2011-02-19T00:13:46Z")
> [@kidchameleon](#): > > Le Jacquelope, > > Are you stupid or a troll? Neither. He’s right, dammit! And he’s going to keep posting his links and making fun of user names until we all see the light and demand that our government force us to pay more for the same stuff! Because that will prevent the collapse of the U.S. dollar, or something. ---
**Author:** ![XT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/xt/32/456_2.png) [@XT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/XT)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2011, 12:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/most-americans-oppose-offshoring-we-need-to-take-action/566080/656 "2011-02-19T00:24:46Z")
According to Le Jac, the US dollar is already ‘collapsing’…whatever that means to him. I’m still unclear what ‘collapsing’ (in his terms) actually means, or what effect it’s supposed to have, since he seems to waffle about it. But yeah…we need to rally and get the government to make us pay more for less goods and services because that will certainly bring back good low wage high volume jobs to red blooded American workers (and peasants…can’t forget them) and make America the great isolationist power the gods intended it to be! I’m getting all emotional here… -XT ---
**Author:** ![Le\_Jacquelope](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/e0b2c6/32.png) [@Le\_Jacquelope](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Le_Jacquelope)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2011, 1:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/most-americans-oppose-offshoring-we-need-to-take-action/566080/657 "2011-02-19T01:44:37Z")
> [@Lord\_Ashtar](#): > > Neither. He’s right, dammit! And he’s going to keep posting his links and making fun of user names until we all see the light and demand that our government force us to pay more for the same stuff! > > Because that will prevent the collapse of the U.S. dollar, or something. I’m not counting on you seeing the light. Your IQ would have to increase exponentially first. I’m only leaving ammunition here for other liberals to pick up. You throw a pile of bullshit out there and I come by now and then to show why it’s bullshit. When you go into pathetic re-runs I put you on ignore and move to the next target that promises something new. I know it hurts your ego to hear that but it’s all true. You’re part of a dying breed - people who support offshoring. We who oppose you will never stop harassing you. You’d better get used to getting called out, and then laughed at - online and in person… that is, if cockroaches like you continue to openly support your drivel, which is not entirely likely for much longer. ---
**Author:** ![Lord\_Ashtar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7ea924/32.png) [@Lord\_Ashtar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lord_Ashtar)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2011, 2:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/most-americans-oppose-offshoring-we-need-to-take-action/566080/658 "2011-02-19T02:06:26Z")
> [@Le\_Jacquelope](#): > > You throw a pile of bullshit out there and I come by now and then to show why it’s bullshit. When you go into pathetic re-runs I put you on ignore and move to the next target that promises something new. You got your pronouns backwards, except for the part about me putting you on ignore. Ignore is for pussies. ---
**Author:** ![TravisFromOR](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/cc9497/32.png) [@TravisFromOR](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TravisFromOR)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2011, 2:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/most-americans-oppose-offshoring-we-need-to-take-action/566080/659 "2011-02-19T02:59:49Z")
> [@Le\_Jacquelope](#): > > You’re part of a dying breed - people who support offshoring. We who oppose you will never stop harassing you. You’d better get used to getting called out, and then laughed at - online and in person… that is, if cockroaches like you continue to openly support your drivel, which is not entirely likely for much longer. Um…you’re the one who’s being laughed at ---
**Author:** ![emacknight](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/3ec8ea/32.png) [@emacknight](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/emacknight)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2011, 9:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/most-americans-oppose-offshoring-we-need-to-take-action/566080/660 "2011-02-19T21:23:02Z")
> [@Le\_Jacquelope](#): > > You’re part of a dying breed - people who support offshoring. We who oppose you will never stop harassing you. You’d better get used to getting called out, and then laughed at - online and in person… that is, if cockroaches like you continue to openly support your drivel, which is not entirely likely for much longer. Yup, and you who oppose us will continue to shop at Walmart, and continue to buy low cost, foreign-made, consumer electronics. The US doesn’t need tariffs. People are free to buy, or not to buy, products made in the US. It just so happens that products made in China are cheaper, and because the law of supply and demand actually means something, people continue to buy offshored products. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/most-americans-oppose-offshoring-we-need-to-take-action/566080.md?page=32) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/most-americans-oppose-offshoring-we-need-to-take-action/566080.md?page=34)