# Most convicted rapists are white males. Genetic component? **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [January 4, 2013, 5:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/most-convicted-rapists-are-white-males-genetic-component/646082 "2013-01-04T17:38:06Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Honesty](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/f04885/32.png) [@Honesty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Honesty)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2013, 8:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/most-convicted-rapists-are-white-males-genetic-component/646082/21 "2013-01-04T20:52:15Z")
> [@Der\_Trihs](#): > > Well, joke thread or not: > > [ul] > [li]Men are bigger and stronger, so it’s simply easier for men to pull off a rape; that’s genetic. Women can and have raped men, but it’s just not as easy for a woman to rape a man as it is the other way around, due to that and the relative difficultly of forcing an erection (yes, it can be done).[/li] > [li]Men are naturally more risk-taking than women, while women are more cautious; and attacking someone who is probably more than twice as strong as you is firmly in the “risky” category.[/li] > [li]With humans, the male usually initiates sex, consensual and otherwise. Many women find it emotionally difficult to initiate _consensual_ sex, much less whip out a weapon and try to coerce it out of someone.[/li] > [li]Men pretty clearly have a significantly stronger sex drive; no one is going to bother to commit rape if they aren’t interested.[/li] > [li]There’s a Darwinian advantage to rape for men, but none for women.[/li][/ul] I 100% agree with this, my question is why \*white men \* have a higher rate of \*sexual assault \*than all of the other races (combined). > [@Der\_Trihs](#): > > Is pretty troubling, because blacks are only like 11% of the U.S. population, so 44% is massively higher than their percentage of the population. It seems to me that you’re saying that (1) it’s expected that whites will have the crime rates equal to or less than than their percentage of the population and (2) it’s expected that the crime rate rate for blacks will be equal to or less than their percentage of their population. It’s like you’re saying, “It’s understandable that majority of paedophile tourist from U.S to South America are middle-aged whites males because this percentage reflects the population demographic.” Also, why is it that black children are less likely to be molested and more likely to tell an adult than their white counterparts? Finally, if you have 1.5 million rapes and about 1.3 million were white women and 230 thousand were black women, what does that tell you? Why are white women more than 4x likely to be raped than black women and several orders of magnitude more likely to be raped than other races? - Honesty ---
**Author:** ![XT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/xt/32/456_2.png) [@XT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/XT)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2013, 9:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/most-convicted-rapists-are-white-males-genetic-component/646082/22 "2013-01-04T21:01:00Z")
[QUOTE=Honesty] Also, why is it that black children are less likely to be molested and more likely to tell an adult than their white counterparts? Finally, if you have 1.5 million rapes and about 1.3 million were white women and 230 thousand were black women, what does that tell you? Why are white women more than 4x likely to be raped than black women and several orders of magnitude more likely to be raped than other races? [/QUOTE] Um…there are more than 4x more ‘white’ women than there are ‘black’ women? And there are more ‘black’ women then there are ‘other races’, especially if you break them down into arbitrary categories (‘Asian’ for instance). ---
**Author:** ![Honesty](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/f04885/32.png) [@Honesty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Honesty)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2013, 9:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/most-convicted-rapists-are-white-males-genetic-component/646082/23 "2013-01-04T21:02:58Z")
> [@XT](#): > > Um…there are more than 4x more ‘white’ women than there are ‘black’ women? And there are more ‘black’ women then there are ‘other races’, especially if you break them down into arbitrary categories (‘Asian’ for instance). Damn. Touche`. ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2013, 9:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/most-convicted-rapists-are-white-males-genetic-component/646082/24 "2013-01-04T21:19:33Z")
> [@Honesty](#): > > I 100% agree with this, my question is why \*white men \* have a higher rate of \*sexual assault \*than all of the other races (combined). There’s more of them. > [@Honesty](#): > > It seems to me that you’re saying that _\_ To clarify; you quoted **Martin Hyde** in your second quote, but accidentally attributed it to me. ---
**Author:** ![Lamia](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/8e7dd6/32.png) [@Lamia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lamia)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2013, 9:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/most-convicted-rapists-are-white-males-genetic-component/646082/25 "2013-01-04T21:52:01Z")
> [@Honesty](#): > > More striking are the victim statistics: over 75% of sexual assault victims were white women, compared to 20% for black women and 3% for other races. Yes, it is striking that black women, who make up only about 13% of the US female population, make up 20% of sexual assault victims. If your figures are correct then black women are disproportionately likely to be sexually assaulted. ---
**Author:** ![Human\_Action](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/ac91a4/32.png) [@Human\_Action](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Human_Action)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2013, 9:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/most-convicted-rapists-are-white-males-genetic-component/646082/26 "2013-01-04T21:55:39Z")
> [@Honesty](#): > > I 100% agree with this, my question is why white men have a higher rate of sexual assault than all of the other races (combined). > [@Honesty](#): > > Finally, if you have 1.5 million rapes and about 1.3 million were white women and 230 thousand were black women, what does that tell you? Why are white women more than 4x likely to be raped than black women and several orders of magnitude more likely to be raped than other races? Rate is a ratio between two measurements. If the population is around 70% white and 12% black, and the prison population of those convicted for sexual assault (per your OP) is 75% white and 23% black…there is no higher rate of sexual assault among white men. Similarly, comparing whole numbers of (female) rape victims by race will not give you the rate. ---
**Author:** ![Human\_Action](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/ac91a4/32.png) [@Human\_Action](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Human_Action)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2013, 9:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/most-convicted-rapists-are-white-males-genetic-component/646082/27 "2013-01-04T21:57:19Z")
> [@Lamia](#): > > Yes, it is striking that black women, who make up only about 13% of the US female population, make up 20% of sexual assault victims. If your figures are correct then black women are disproportionately likely to be sexually assaulted. Yes, if the figures are correct, it is _black_ Americans who are overrepresented as both perpetrators and (female) victims of sexual assault, though not to the same extent as with other violent crimes. ---
**Author:** ![aag3981](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/53a042/32.png) [@aag3981](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aag3981)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2013, 10:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/most-convicted-rapists-are-white-males-genetic-component/646082/28 "2013-01-04T22:03:54Z")
> [@Honesty](#): > > In the spirit of this [thread](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=674550), can anyone provide biological evidence for the observation that white males are more likely to rape and/or sexually assault children and white women? Indeed, according to the [U.S government](http://bjs.ojp.usdoj.gov/content/pub/pdf/SOO.PDF), “imprisoned violent sex offenders were more likely to have been male and white than other violent offenders.” Furthermore, in the category of sexual assault, whites made up nearly 75% of all offenders imprisoned for sexual assault vs. 23% for blacks and 3% for other races. The U.S government also found that 52% vs 44% of sexual offenders were white and black, respectively. > > More striking are the victim statistics: over 75% of sexual assault victims were white women, compared to 20% for black women and 3% for other races. Further, when the government examined the rate in which sexual assault victims are killed, the report concluded that “compared to all murder victims, those who died as a consequence of a sexual assault were substantially more likely to be female and white”. This coupled with the aforementioned paragraph indicate that if a white male is the rapist, the victim is statistically more likely to be white and killed during the crime. > > When the U.S government examined abuse of minors, they found that from nearly 300,000 children abused in 2000 over 60% of those abused children/victims were little white girls and boys. Curiously, black children were _less_ likely to be molested and _most_ likely to report the crime to the authorities than their white counterparts.In 2010, the [Justice Department](http://www.justice.gov/psc/docs/natstrategyreport.pdf) reported a disturbing trend where “American child sex tourists typically are Caucasian males aged 40 or older. Such predators may be either situational or preferential child sex tourists. . . Some organizations estimate that U.S. citizens account for 25 percent of child sex tourists worldwide, and as high as 80 percent in Latin America.” > > In [this](http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0006322311006354) peer-reviewed paper, Pinessi et al. found that R177H mutation in the _PGRN_ gene is correlated with “abnormal sexual behavior”. Since _PGRN_ is expressed in neurons, this data point may represent a “genes-to-behavior” in white males. [In another study](http://www-ncbi-nlm-nih-gov.proxy.lib.ohio-state.edu/pubmed/17634757), Blanchard et al. found that low IQ and left-handedness is correlated with paedophilia. Finally, Sartorious et al. reported that activation of the the region of the brain responsible for fear is reversed in patients with paedophilia. The persistence of paedophilia and sexual abuse of children/women to middle-aged by white males suggests there are neural and genetic that correlates with these abnormal, illegal behaviors. > > Topic for Debate: Could the putative persistence of paedophilia and sexual assault in white males compared to other SIRE\* groups be explained by genes? Could genetic screening for PGRN be used as an indicator to predict the development of deviant sexual behavior? What about left-handedness and low IQ? Also, could there be a genetic component as to why black children are less likely to be molested and more likely to report the crime to their parents? Discuss. > > - Honesty > > - 😉 I’m not sure if anyone noted this yet, but this is actually just an acurate representation of the population. The USA is about 70% white. You will notice that if you look at the same offenses in other nations, say Japan, most of THOSE offenders are Japanese. Same seems consistent with other nations. I’ll dig up the research somewhere… Anyhoo, my theory is that just as those liberal suspect, minorities just generally get railroaded in this country when it comes to the criminal justice system. Whites aren’t over representative of the serial killer/rapest population, minorities are overepresented every where else in the criminal justice system. I just believe that what ever preference may be given to a person based on their race, that is incrementally lose as the criminal offense gets incrementally worse. So basically if you are a child rapist or serial killer, no one gives a crap what your race is, what sort of family support you have, what sort of abuse your suffered or how much money you spend on your attorney, some crimes are just too horrible. ---
**Author:** ![aag3981](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/53a042/32.png) [@aag3981](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aag3981)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2013, 10:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/most-convicted-rapists-are-white-males-genetic-component/646082/29 "2013-01-04T22:15:13Z")
> [@Honesty](#): > > You would think, but according to [this](http://bjs.ojp.usdoj.gov/content/pub/pdf/cr.pdf), there were 1,511,000 victims from 1973 to 1982. Of those, 1,228,000 were white women vs. 265,000 were blacks. That’s statistically significant. Unfortunately, this paper doesn’t explore race of the perpetrator but if we extrapolate from the data collected in the 90’s, we can surmise that about 70% of that 1,511,000 number were raped/assaulted by white men. That’s huge (no pun intended). You can’t hand-wave these statistics as whites being the majority, if that were the case, you can do that when every conceivable crime under the sun. > > I’m more interested, however, in discussing the biological differences between blacks and whites that could predicate the observed behavior. > > - Honesty As you said, the paper doesn’t mention the race of the perpetrator, but very commonly the victim and offender are of the same race. Conveniently enough, whites aren’t just the majority, they are roughly 70% of the majority. As far as every conceivable crime under the sun, some research has shown that whites are responsible for much of the crime, however, this gets skewed more and more towards minorities the farther into the criminal justice system you go. Whites and minorities are arrested at rates somewhat skewed compared to the population, the minories then have less resources and family support which leads to more harsh convictions where a white person (or someone with more resources and support) could plea to a lesser charge, minorities are sentenced more harshly and there fore more end up in prison with longer sentences or community superivison. ---
**Author:** ![Honesty](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/f04885/32.png) [@Honesty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Honesty)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2013, 10:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/most-convicted-rapists-are-white-males-genetic-component/646082/30 "2013-01-04T22:21:09Z")
> [@](#): > > Yes, it is striking that black women, who make up only about 13% of the US female population, make up 20% of sexual assault victims. If your figures are correct then black women are disproportionately likely to be sexually assaulted. More than white women? ---
**Author:** ![Honesty](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/f04885/32.png) [@Honesty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Honesty)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2013, 10:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/most-convicted-rapists-are-white-males-genetic-component/646082/31 "2013-01-04T22:42:26Z")
Also, just so that I’m clear. 1. Whites are expected to commit X% of the crime if they are X% of the population. For example, when the U.S government claims that 80% of paedophile sex tourist in South America are from the U.S and the majority of those are white males, this surprises none of you because white males make up a disproportionate percentage of the population? 2. Despite committing the most rapes and sexual assaults (number and percentage), white males are _statistically_ no more likely to indulge in this criminal behavior? 3. “Most convicted rapist are white males. Genetic component?” is not good title and doesn’t make sense while the title “Most high school dropouts are minorities. Genetic component?” is aesthetically more pleasing and a little less eye-searing? 4. Will someone, please, pretty please with sugar-on-top, explain why black children are **LESS** likely to be molested and **MORE** likely to tell an parent of the abuse. 5. In the history of the United States, has there been a moment when a black perpetrator was involved Columbine/Newton/Virginia Tech-style massacre in a school followed by a suicide? I can’t recall any but I’m hopeful there’s an example of blacks “going off the deep end”. Could genes be involved here, too? - Honesty ---
**Author:** ![Human\_Action](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/ac91a4/32.png) [@Human\_Action](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Human_Action)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2013, 11:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/most-convicted-rapists-are-white-males-genetic-component/646082/32 "2013-01-04T23:24:02Z")
> [@Honesty](#): > > 1. Whites are expected to commit X% of the crime if they are X% of the population. All else being equal, yes. > [@Honesty](#): > > For example, when the U.S government claims that 80% of paedophile sex tourist in South America are from the U.S and the majority of those are white males, this surprises none of you because white males make up a disproportionate percentage of the population? Yes. Sex offenders are overwhelmingly male, and there are about 70 white men in America for every 13 black men, 5 Asian men, and 12 other-ethnicity men. So, it follows that the average sex tourist would probably be a white male. The factors that lead to black men being overrepresented in some crimes, such as murder, don’t influence sex tourism, I don’t think. > [@Honesty](#): > > 1. Despite committing the most rapes and sexual assaults (number and percentage), white males are statistically no more likely to indulge in this criminal behavior? It doesn’t appear so. Your cite, the SOO report from 1997, gives the figures that 52.2% of those incarcerated for rape and 73.9% of those incarcerated for sexual assault are white. [This DoJ](http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/abstract/cvusst.htm) report is more current, being from 2006. Table 40 has data on perceived race of offender by the victim, rather than using conviction data. For rape and sexual assault (combined in this table), the data is 48.8% of offenders perceived as white, 18.1% as black, 16.2% as other, and 17% not known or not available. Given that white men are about 70% of the male population, that means white men are underrepresented in conviction for rape, and \*slightly \* overrepresented in conviction for sexual assault in the SOO numbers, and underrepresented on both in the DoJ Crime Victimization Statistics Tables. > [@Honesty](#): > > 1. “Most convicted rapist are white males. Genetic component?” is not good title and doesn’t make sense while the title “Most high school dropouts are minorities. Genetic component?” is aesthetically more pleasing and a little less eye-searing? Both make sense, and both have a high burden of proof. Good luck proving either. > [@Honesty](#): > > 1. Will someone, please, pretty please with sugar-on-top, explain why black children are LESS likely to be molested and MORE likely to tell an parent of the abuse. I couldn’t find this in the SOO report, what’s the source for this claim? > [@Honesty](#): > > 1. In the history of the United States, has there been a moment when a black perpetrator was involved Columbine/Newton/Virginia Tech-style massacre in a school followed by a suicide? I can’t recall any but I’m hopeful there’s an example of blacks “going off the deep end”. Could genes be involved here, too? Why does it matter that it be a school, exactly? It took a few seconds to find a mass shooting by a black man that ended in suicide: [Omar Thornton.](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hartford_Distributors_shooting) It’s been mentioned here before that school shootings are a suburban phenomenon, taking place in small-to-midsized towns. It could be the case that blacks are underrepresented in those communities. It _could_ be genetic, but, again, high burden of proof. ETA: There’s [Nicholas Elliot](http://articles.dailypress.com/1989-12-13/news/8912130120_1_mr-elliott-nicholas-elliott-portable-classroom), who entered his classroom with a handgun and shot two teachers before his gun jammed and he was overtaken and captured. Sounds like a mass school shooting prevented by a lucky accident. ---
**Author:** ![Wesley\_Clark](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wesley_clark/32/20581_2.png) [@Wesley\_Clark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wesley_Clark)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2013, 11:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/most-convicted-rapists-are-white-males-genetic-component/646082/33 "2013-01-04T23:25:10Z")
We may have lost the presidency but at least we still have this. Also since whites make up 70-80% of the public they are going to make up 70-80% of sexual abusers as your stats show. I don’t see the controversy. ---
**Author:** ![Lamia](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/8e7dd6/32.png) [@Lamia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lamia)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2013, 11:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/most-convicted-rapists-are-white-males-genetic-component/646082/34 "2013-01-04T23:25:21Z")
> [@Honesty](#): > > > [@](#): > > > > Yes, it is striking that black women, who make up only about 13% of the US female population, make up 20% of sexual assault victims. If your figures are correct then black women are disproportionately likely to be sexually assaulted. > > More than white women? Yes, it looks like it’s quite a bit more likely for a black woman to be sexually assaulted. 75-80% of the US population is white, so the percentage of white sexual assault victims seems to match up pretty well with the percentage of white women in the general US female population. But there are about 50% more black women in the sexual assault victim group than there are in the general US female population (20% vs 13%). > [@Honesty](#): > > 1. Will someone, please, pretty please with sugar-on-top, explain why black children are **LESS** likely to be molested and **MORE** likely to tell an parent of the abuse. You have not demonstrated that black children are less _likely_ to be molested, only that they are outnumbered by white victims. If 60% of child molestation victims are white then it sounds like it’s actually white children who are less likely to be molested. ---
**Author:** ![Inbred\_Mm\_domesticus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/aca169/32.png) [@Inbred\_Mm\_domesticus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Inbred_Mm_domesticus)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2013, 11:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/most-convicted-rapists-are-white-males-genetic-component/646082/35 "2013-01-04T23:27:44Z")
> [@Honesty](#): > > Also, just so that I’m clear. > > 1. Whites are expected to commit X% of the crime if they are X% of the population. For example, when the U.S government claims that 80% of paedophile sex tourist in South America are from the U.S and the majority of those are white males, this surprises none of you because white males make up a disproportionate percentage of the population? White males from the USA are vastly overrepresented in child sex tourism. Worldwide and in the Americas. The clearest genetic component is the _SRY_ gene which is the single gene on the Y chromosome that initiates the cascade of events leading to male development. > [@Honesty](#): > > 1. Despite committing the most rapes and sexual assaults (number and percentage), white males are _statistically_ no more likely to indulge in this criminal behavior? They’re statistically less likely according to the types of data you provided. That data is subject to many biases. > [@Honesty](#): > > 1. “Most convicted rapist are white males. Genetic component?” is not good title and doesn’t make sense while the title “Most high school dropouts are minorities. Genetic component?” is aesthetically more pleasing and a little less eye-searing? No. If most high school dropouts are minorities then that’s a problem of over-representation. If convicted rapists are mostly white then this is unsurprising because our population is mostly white. > [@Honesty](#): > > 1. Will someone, please, pretty please with sugar-on-top, explain why black children are **LESS** likely to be molested and **MORE** likely to tell an parent of the abuse. Are they under-represented among abused children? > [@Honesty](#): > > 1. In the history of the United States, has there been a moment when a black perpetrator was involved Columbine/Newton/Virginia Tech-style massacre in a school followed by a suicide? I can’t recall any but I’m hopeful there’s an example of blacks “going off the deep end”. Could genes be involved here, too? [John Allen Muhammad](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Allen_Muhammad) I thought you were making a parody of scientific racist thinking earlier. I kinda take back what I said now. If you actually are serious with this then you’re not any different than they are. ---
**Author:** ![Honesty](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/f04885/32.png) [@Honesty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Honesty)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2013, 1:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/most-convicted-rapists-are-white-males-genetic-component/646082/36 "2013-01-05T01:00:26Z")
> [@Inbred\_Mm\_domesticus](#): > > The clearest genetic component is the _SRY_ gene which is the single gene on the Y chromosome that initiates the cascade of events leading to male development. Wow! That’s what I’m talking about. _SRY_, huh? You’re awesome. I love you. > [@Inbred\_Mm\_domesticus](#): > > I kinda take back what I said now. If you actually are serious with this then you’re not any different than they are. You’re free to have your opinion. When we have a monthly “BLKS R DUMB” thread, the silence on this message board is so deafening that you can hear a mouse piss on cotton. I guess the fight against ignorance starts with wielding sword of silence and donning the armor of deafness. When and if I start these threads every month about the intrinsic, gene-driven evilness of white people, then I’ll gladly take the mantle of just like the closet racists. Otherwise, try to give me some credit. > [@Inbred\_Mm\_domesticus](#): > > No. If most high school dropouts are minorities then that’s a problem of over-representation. If convicted rapists are mostly white then this is unsurprising because our population is mostly white. I think I understand now. Because whites are the majority, they can only be underrepresented and very rarely over-represented for any crime. Therefore, whether it’s sexual violence, rape, or money laundering, the crime rate for whites will remain unremarkable while crime rates for minorities will be looked at as high. That’s some flawless armor, not something I think I can chink or chip away at. - Honesty ---
**Author:** ![Inbred\_Mm\_domesticus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/aca169/32.png) [@Inbred\_Mm\_domesticus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Inbred_Mm_domesticus)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2013, 3:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/most-convicted-rapists-are-white-males-genetic-component/646082/37 "2013-01-05T03:29:39Z")
> [@Honesty](#): > > You’re free to have your opinion. When we have a monthly “BLKS R DUMB” thread, the silence on this message board is so deafening that you can hear a mouse piss on cotton. I guess the fight against ignorance starts with wielding sword of silence and donning the armor of deafness. When and if I start these threads every month about the intrinsic, gene-driven evilness of white people, then I’ll gladly take the mantle of just like the closet racists. Otherwise, try to give me some credit. I’ll be glad to help with your alternative point of view in the future. I’ve spent a lot of time arguing in the “BLKS R DUMB” threads. Considering that the main supporters of the “BLKS R DUMB” position have: (1) persevered in their distortions of genetic data, social data, and psychological data, (2) wrapped this monstrosity all in a speculative little bow, (3) have not the faintest ability to analyze where they are making weak leaps in their logic, and (4) are completely unaffected by 1000s of person hours in showing how they are wrong by myself and people far more eloquent than me, then it’s unsurprising people are bored of arguing it. > [@Honesty](#): > > I think I understand now. Because whites are the majority, they can only be underrepresented and very rarely over-represented for any crime. Yeah, it’s all due to the social ramifications of being the ‘majority’. It may also be a statistical artifact. It may be that if we actually sat down and did the chi-square test for independence we would see no significance. > [@Honesty](#): > > Therefore, whether it’s sexual violence, rape, or money laundering, the crime rate for whites will remain unremarkable while crime rates for minorities will be looked at as high. That’s some flawless armor, not something I think I can chink or chip away at. Why are white males such huge sexual deviants that they feel the need to be overrepresented in the world child sex tourism industry? 25%? SICK! Clearly men over 40 should be castrated in order to prevent the white genetic deficiency from victimizing more of our world’s children. ---
**Author:** ![ed\_anger](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/bbce88/32.png) [@ed\_anger](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ed_anger)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2013, 3:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/most-convicted-rapists-are-white-males-genetic-component/646082/38 "2013-01-05T03:39:20Z")
> [@Inbred\_Mm\_domesticus](#): > > Clearly men over 40 should be castrated in order to prevent the white genetic deficiency from victimizing more of our world’s children. I don’t trust anyone over 30. (don’t ask my age) ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2013, 5:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/most-convicted-rapists-are-white-males-genetic-component/646082/39 "2013-01-05T05:58:35Z")
> [@ed\_anger](#): > > I don’t trust anyone over 30. > > (don’t ask my age) **Don’t** trust anyone over 30; and don’t respect anyone under 30. ---
**Author:** ![Chief\_Pedant](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/a6a055/32.png) [@Chief\_Pedant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chief_Pedant)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2013, 1:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/most-convicted-rapists-are-white-males-genetic-component/646082/40 "2013-01-05T13:14:58Z")
Your title is: “ **Most convicted rapists are white males. Genetic component?** ” It appears the source of your confusion here is the difference between absolute numbers and expected rates based on percentage representation of a given population in the total group being evaluated. From your [cite:](http://bjs.ojp.usdoj.gov/content/pub/pdf/SOO.PDF) “_The racial distribution of arrestees for rape is similar to the racial distribution for all violent UCR arrests. 56% of arrestees for rape in 1995 were white, 42% were black, and 2% were of other races._” From [the FBI tables for 2010](http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2010/crime-in-the-u.s.-2010/tables/table-43), we see blacks represent about 1/3 of arrests for forcible rape; whites about 2/3. Roughly 13% of the US population self-describes as black; 73% self-describes as white. So blacks are arrested for rape at something like three times the rate that whites are. In other violent crimes such as homicide, of course, the difference is even more disproportionate to the larger population. Statistics for violent crime–including rape–in the United States do show a markedly disproportionate number of crimes are committed by blacks. Before assigning a genetic component to this, one avenue of research might be to look into similar relative rates worldwide to see if a general pattern of these SIRE categories holds. The relative rates would be more helpful than absolute numbers, since laws and prosecution rates vary so markedly from one area to another. **PS:** I thought you said [“Every human being on this planet has the same set of genes”](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=15842098&postcount=103) in that other thread. What’s all this stuff about an R177H mutation driving a difference from one group to another? Is PGRN just a nickname for a whole set of genes, each variant of which might drive a different phenotypic outcome? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/most-convicted-rapists-are-white-males-genetic-component/646082.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/most-convicted-rapists-are-white-males-genetic-component/646082.md?page=3)