# Most despicable reaction to the Tucson shootings? **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [January 13, 2011, 12:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/most-despicable-reaction-to-the-tucson-shootings/567443 "2011-01-13T12:38:50Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![What\_the](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/f4b2a3/32.png) [@What\_the](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_the)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2011, 12:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/most-despicable-reaction-to-the-tucson-shootings/567443/101 "2011-01-14T12:51:14Z")
Here’s a new candidate. I think this guy sits on the This Week roundtable frequently… [http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/paul-hang-joe-lieberman-effigy-krugman-blames-tucson-shooting-rise-eliminationist-rhetoric\_526](http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/paul-hang-joe-lieberman-effigy-krugman-blames-tucson-shooting-rise-eliminationist-rhetoric_526) ---
**Author:** ![El\_Kabong](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/el_kabong/32/496_2.png) [@El\_Kabong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/El_Kabong)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2011, 2:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/most-despicable-reaction-to-the-tucson-shootings/567443/102 "2011-01-14T14:17:26Z")
> [@What\_the](#): > > Your info doesn’t show that my info was wrong … only that Time Magazine found someone to defend him. I could be wrong though, but I’d like more evidence that the lady and Time are both fair and balanced observers. Didn’t read the rest of the article, did you? Let’s see, on the one hand, we have you, making the unsupported, unsourced hearsay statement that you heard somewhere that Sheriff Dupnik is ‘against enforcing immigration laws’, vs. an article in a national newsmagazine that comprehensively and factually debunks that simplistic notion. As for your demand, I didn’t post this rebuttal to disabuse you of whatever partisan notions you may have; it was to set the record straight for other readers. Can you present any evidence at all that you are a fair and balanced observer? If not, I don’t see how you can justify demanding that others meet a standard that you are unable or unwilling to adhere to yourself. > [@](#): > > To what do you attribute his going off half cocked about the motives of the shooter? I have no earthly idea. Do you? ---
**Author:** ![What\_the](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/f4b2a3/32.png) [@What\_the](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_the)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2011, 10:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/most-despicable-reaction-to-the-tucson-shootings/567443/103 "2011-01-15T10:50:32Z")
> [@El\_Kabong](#): > > Didn’t read the rest of the article, did you? > > Let’s see, on the one hand, we have you, making the unsupported, unsourced hearsay statement that you heard somewhere that Sheriff Dupnik is ‘against enforcing immigration laws’, vs. an article in a national newsmagazine that comprehensively and factually debunks that simplistic notion. As for your demand, I didn’t post this rebuttal to disabuse you of whatever partisan notions you may have; it was to set the record straight for other readers. Can you present any evidence at all that you are a fair and balanced observer? If not, I don’t see how you can justify demanding that others meet a standard that you are unable or unwilling to adhere to yourself. > > I have no earthly idea. Do you? No I didn’t and don’t plan to. If the article fairly and balancedly clears him of being a partisan hack then I accept that. You do recognize the difference between an idiot like me and Dupnik though don’t you? ---
**Author:** ![tomndebb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/b9e5f3/32.png) [@tomndebb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tomndebb)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2011, 12:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/most-despicable-reaction-to-the-tucson-shootings/567443/104 "2011-01-15T12:19:17Z")
> [@What\_the](#): > > You do recognize the difference between . . . me and Dupnik though don’t you? He’s right and you’re wrong? ---
**Author:** ![What\_the](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/f4b2a3/32.png) [@What\_the](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_the)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2011, 9:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/most-despicable-reaction-to-the-tucson-shootings/567443/105 "2011-01-15T21:21:04Z")
> [@What\_the](#): > > No I didn’t and don’t plan to. If the article fairly and balancedly clears him of being a partisan hack then I accept that. > > You do recognize the difference between an idiot like me and Dupnik though don’t you? Hey… I was just twiddling my thumbs waiting for **Marley** to come back and do some modding on me, so I decided to read it. I’m not totally convinced though… maybe I’m just cynical but I got the impression of an effort to rehab the guy. I’ll admit to loosely throwing around certain accusations at him without bothering to get to know the old guy a little better. I attribute it to reading articles about him where he dissed the Tea Party and used the terms “racist” and “disgusting” in reference to the Arizona illegal alien law. Here’s an article for you all to read if interested … [http://newsbusters.org/blogs/kyle-drennen/2011/01/11/cbs-evening-news-tucson-sheriff-dupnik-doubles-down](http://newsbusters.org/blogs/kyle-drennen/2011/01/11/cbs-evening-news-tucson-sheriff-dupnik-doubles-down) ---
**Author:** ![Rilchiam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/2bfe46/32.png) [@Rilchiam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rilchiam)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2011, 1:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/most-despicable-reaction-to-the-tucson-shootings/567443/106 "2011-01-16T01:43:54Z")
[Reaction to Trent Humphries’s reaction.](http://www.cnn.com/2011/CRIME/01/15/arizona.shooting.victim.custody/index.html?iref=NS1) ---
**Author:** ![Magiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4491bb/32.png) [@Magiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Magiver)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2011, 5:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/most-despicable-reaction-to-the-tucson-shootings/567443/107 "2011-01-16T05:36:41Z")
> [@Rilchiam](#): > > [Reaction to Trent Humphries’s reaction.](http://www.cnn.com/2011/CRIME/01/15/arizona.shooting.victim.custody/index.html?iref=NS1) Isn’t he the same guy who showed up at the shooter’s house wanting to forgive him? Can’t find a video of it but there can’t be too many people who were shot in the leg. [His thoughts are hypnotic](http://www.dakotavoice.com/2011/01/j-eric-fullers-profile-a-few-answers-and-many-questions/). The good news is Giffords is off the ventilator so we can all breath easier. ---
**Author:** ![Magiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4491bb/32.png) [@Magiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Magiver)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2011, 7:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/most-despicable-reaction-to-the-tucson-shootings/567443/108 "2011-01-16T07:24:27Z")
It WAS Eric Fuller who went over to Loughner’s parent’s house. Story and video link [here.](http://www.azcentral.com/12news/news/articles/2011/01/14/20110114giffords-shooting-victim-loughner-parents.html) Best quote of it: “you may think I’m crazy”, followed by mad scientist laugh. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2011, 7:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/most-despicable-reaction-to-the-tucson-shootings/567443/109 "2011-01-16T07:41:53Z")
Shot in the knee, most likely ripped to the tits on pain killers, as would any sensible person be. As well, there is no mention of laughter. Oh, and what possible point might you have here? ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2011, 8:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/most-despicable-reaction-to-the-tucson-shootings/567443/110 "2011-01-16T20:08:09Z")
> [@What\_the](#): > > I’ll admit to loosely throwing around certain accusations at him without bothering to get to know the old guy a little better. I attribute it to reading articles about him where he dissed the Tea Party and used the terms “racist” and “disgusting” in reference to the Arizona illegal alien law. Well? That honesty – honesty that is politically risky, therefore courageous, for an elected official in AZ at this time – ought to have disposed you well towards Dupnik rather than the reverse. ---
**Author:** ![Magiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4491bb/32.png) [@Magiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Magiver)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2011, 8:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/most-despicable-reaction-to-the-tucson-shootings/567443/111 "2011-01-16T20:14:11Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > Shot in the knee, most likely ripped to the tits on pain killers, as would any sensible person be. As well, there is no mention of laughter. Oh, and what possible point might you have here? The video on the link showed him laughing and my point is that he’s a got a screw loose. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2011, 8:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/most-despicable-reaction-to-the-tucson-shootings/567443/112 "2011-01-16T20:16:58Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > Alan Dershowitz is “famed”? Since when? Since the von Bulow trial. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2011, 8:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/most-despicable-reaction-to-the-tucson-shootings/567443/113 "2011-01-16T20:24:15Z")
> [@What\_the](#): > > Here’s an article for you all to read if interested … > > [http://newsbusters.org/blogs/kyle-drennen/2011/01/11/cbs-evening-news-tucson-sheriff-dupnik-doubles-down](http://newsbusters.org/blogs/kyle-drennen/2011/01/11/cbs-evening-news-tucson-sheriff-dupnik-doubles-down) :rolleyes: [NewsBusters?](http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Media_Research_Center) Seriously? ---
**Author:** ![What\_the](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/f4b2a3/32.png) [@What\_the](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_the)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2011, 11:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/most-despicable-reaction-to-the-tucson-shootings/567443/114 "2011-01-17T11:31:14Z")
> [@BrainGlutton](#): > > :rolleyes: [NewsBusters?](http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Media_Research_Center) Seriously? What? Didn’t they put Obama on their cover enough during the election to be considered fair? Yes, Newsbusters… where else are you going to find out that things like [Christiane Amanpour didn’t report the threats of violence the Dems are drumming up on This Week.](http://newsbusters.org/blogs/noel-sheppard/2011/01/16/christiane-amanpour-omits-fuller-saying-tea-partier-week-town-hall-yo)? ---
**Author:** ![DMC](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dmc/32/18049_2.png) [@DMC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DMC)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2011, 12:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/most-despicable-reaction-to-the-tucson-shootings/567443/115 "2011-01-17T12:47:38Z")
> [@What\_the](#): > > Yes, Newsbusters… where else are you going to find out that things like Christiane Amanpour didn’t report the threats of violence the Dems are drumming up on This Week.? Probably nowhere since, much like many of your other posts in this thread, it just isn’t true. First, she did report the threat, second who are these “Dems” you speak of? The only threat I’m aware of was from James Eric Fuller, who doesn’t appear to be a conjoined twin. [QUOTE=Christiane Amanpour (directly from your link, which you apparently didn’t actually read.)] As our town hall concluded, one of the victims of the shooting in our audience became agitated and was detained by security. James Eric Fuller, who was shot twice last Saturday, **appeared to direct a threat** towards a member of the Tea Party in our audience when he spoke. Fuller was charged with a misdemeanor and involuntarily committed according to the Pima County Sheriff’s office. [/QUOTE] Newsbusters seems to be upset that she didn’t actually quote the exact threat that was used. I bet they (and you) were just as pissed when Fox news (and everyone else) [did the same basic thing](http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,226757,00.html), using the term “racial epithet”, as opposed to actually quoting the threat. Unless your goal is to have a 12 foot wingspan, you really need to stop reaching. ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2011, 3:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/most-despicable-reaction-to-the-tucson-shootings/567443/116 "2011-01-17T15:01:55Z")
> [@What\_the](#): > > Yes, Newsbusters… where else are you going to find out that things like [Christiane Amanpour didn’t report the threats of violence the Dems are drumming up on This Week.](http://newsbusters.org/blogs/noel-sheppard/2011/01/16/christiane-amanpour-omits-fuller-saying-tea-partier-week-town-hall-yo)? The article is about how she did report them, and simply complains that she didn’t directly quote Fuller. When you have to exaggerate claims _Newsbusters_ is making to score points, you should probably give up. ---
**Author:** ![What\_the](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/f4b2a3/32.png) [@What\_the](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_the)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2011, 4:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/most-despicable-reaction-to-the-tucson-shootings/567443/117 "2011-01-17T16:16:19Z")
> [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](#): > > The article is about how she did report them, and simply complains that she didn’t directly quote Fuller. When you have to exaggerate claims _Newsbusters_ is making to score points, you should probably give up. Twenty-three (23) seconds worth and didn’t mention “You’re dead!” Is that your idea of reporting? In an event that they created to boot? ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2011, 4:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/most-despicable-reaction-to-the-tucson-shootings/567443/118 "2011-01-17T16:30:19Z")
Yes. And any other person’s who isn’t desperately searching for something to feign outrage about. ---
**Author:** ![What\_the](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/f4b2a3/32.png) [@What\_the](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_the)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2011, 4:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/most-despicable-reaction-to-the-tucson-shootings/567443/119 "2011-01-17T16:56:33Z")
> [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](#): > > Yes. And any other person’s who isn’t desperately searching for something to feign outrage about. **Really** … I’m being as intellectually honest as I can possibly be when I ask you the following… Don’t you find it outrageous that the Democrats manufactured the whole violent rhetoric thing as it applies to this shooting, and are going to ride it (with the help of ABC and others) for as long as they can. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2011, 5:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/most-despicable-reaction-to-the-tucson-shootings/567443/120 "2011-01-17T17:01:52Z")
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