Erich Ludendorrf - 2 - A real bastage but mostly a covering his ass - ‘I didn’t make stupid mistakes and get my ass kicked really’ type of bastage.
Elizabeth Báthory - 2 - most likely truely batshit insane
Pizarro - 1 - Just because I can’t get myself to select another on the list.
**2 for Dahmer
2 for Mao
1 for Khan**
2 for Trujillo for letting the Jews in
2 for Duvalier for his early work as a doctor
1 for Ludendorrf
Are you saying that bathing in virgin’s blood doesn’t make you younger?!
I guess there goes my hobby. 
My votes:
2 for Empress Wu - some good to go with the bad, competent ruler, mostly hated for ruling in her own name;
2 for Erich Ludendorrf - simply not bad enough
1 for Jeffrey Dahmer - nasty psycho, but those are pretty common.
Don’t bother…didn’t work for me. Hmmmm…maybe they weren’t virgins…hmmmmm.
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Sorry…couldn’t help myself.
Makes sense. Same votes for me.
Cortez-2
Trujillo-2 (he was one of the few heads of states to offer his country as a refuge for the Jews during the Holocaust and unlike his Haitian conterpart managed to make his country reasonably ok by now)
Ludendorff-1
Sticking with:
Sargon of Akkade – 2
Adding:
Erich Ludendorrf – 2 (many of those he helped bring to power far surpassed him in evil)
Arnaud-Amalric of Citeaux – 1 (he’s not going to “win”, so might as well eliminate him)
Round 5: Sorry am late. Work has hit.
Mass wipe-out this time!
Erich Ludendorrf - 10
Jeffrey Dahmer - 4
Rafael Trujillo - 4
Empress Wu - 4
This leaves:
Adolf Hitler - Started WWII which resulted in much death and misery. Also had a thing about Jews.
Adolf Eichmann – ‘Banality of evil’ remains evil
Alfredo Stroessner – Paraguayan dictator, enslaved a tribe (in 1959)
Amon Goeth - Concentration camp guard featured in Schindler’s List. Had to tone down his character in the movie
Arnaud-Amalric of Citeaux - Papal legate/inquisitor during the Albigensian crusade, egged on the massacre of Beziers.
Caligula – Psychotic Roman emperor
Carl Panzram - murderer and all-around brutal guy. Others have killed more, or more gruesomely, but Panzram was something else…
Cevdet Bey - Governor in Turkey of Van, carried out some massacres and attempted some more.
Hernan Cortes - Overthrew a genocidal, maniacal empire hellbent on mass human sacrifice. Sort of like a Stalin to a Hitler.
Delphine LaLaurie - sadistic slave-owning socialite fond of torture and mutilation
Elizabeth Báthory - Vlad, not the only player in town
François Duvalier – Haitian dictator and “voodoo despot”
Genghis Khan – Possibly tops in numbers killed (40 million)
Gilles de Rais - Child murdering satanist
Heinrich Himmler: Ran Hitler’s death camps
H.H. Holmes – Sadist who built a Hotel of death traps H. H. Holmes - Wikipedia
Idi Amin - killed 100,000-500,000 countrymen in 8 years
Irma Grese, Bitch of Belsen - Sr Supervisor at Auschwitz; tortured women prisoners with attack dogs, whippings
Ivan the Terrible - had thousands tortured and killed in The Massacre of Novgorod; beat his pregnant DIL, causing a miscarriage
Jean-Bedel Bokassa – Cannibalistic African dictator
Josef Mengele - for the win, good luck topping him
Joseph Stalin - Killed millions of his own people and terrorized the rest
Khalid Sheikh Mohammed - has that rare combination of long distance mass murderer and up close and personal, hands-on slaughterer.
Kim Il Sung (1912-1994) North Korean dictator
Lavrentiy Pavlovich Beria - Stalin’s butcher
Leopold the second of Belgium - cut out the heart of africa and left a 150 years of civil war and genocide
Luigi Cadorna – Worst Military Leader (dis)honoree who literally decimated his forces when they lost
Mao Zedong- capricious, heartless megalomaniac
Maximilien Robespierre (1758-1794) Led Reign of Terror following French Revolution
Mehmed Talat – Initiated the Armenian genocide
Nikolai Yezhov-Soviet NKVD head
Pizarro - Inca, were mean mofos and happily killed tens of thousands
Pol Pot - killed 21% of his people
Oskar Dirlewanger, who murdered tens of thousands of civilians commanding an SS unit and horrified his fellow SS officers
Robert of Belleme - Anglo-Norman nobleman, notorious for his genuine enjoyment in torturing his opponents to death.
Sargon of Akkade - The first imperial conqueror; established the state as an aggressor.
Shiro Ishii - WWII Japanese that was really into ‘experimentation’ on people.
Tamerlane - Truly pointless butcher; made ruins of cities and towers of skulls
Tani Hisao - commander of the division most involved in the Rape of Nanking.
Torquemada – greatly expanded the Inquisition; his name became a byword for torture and fanaticism
Vasili Blokhin: Personally killed thousands for Stalin
Vlad the Impaler - Estimates are he killed 30 percent of his own people. He was a nasty.
Zhang Xianzhong-Warlord of Sichuan in the 1640s. Reduced the province’s population by ninety-nine percent
Eliminated:
Joseph McCarthy: Destroyed the careers of many by falsely accusing them of being Communists. Lied like a Persian rug.
Rasputin: Helped bring down the Russian Empire by continually tellling a dimbulb he was the only legitimate authority in Russia
Trofim Lysenko - Scientific crackpot used Stalin to strongarm opponents
John Chrysostom - influential early exponent of Christian antisemitism
Charles Manson: Evil occultist led a group that killed at least eight people, maybe more. Most notorious serial killer in American history.
Tojo - Helped bring Japan into World War 2
Attila the Hun - Led rapacious, murderous hordes
Isabella of Castile - helped create and oversee the Spanish Inquisition
Ibn Taymiyyah - intellectual founder of radical Islam.
Francisco Solano Lopez: Almost destroyed his “beloved” Paraguay
Robert Berdella-Carrot Fucker
Ilse Koch, Bitch of Buchenwald - wife of commandant at concentration camps; took money from inmates; made lampshades etc. from their tattooed skin
Erich Ludendorrf: German general who started the rumor of “Stabbed in the Back,” helping prepare the way for Nazism
Jeffrey Dahmer: Odious, cannibalistic serial killer
Rafael Trujillo – bloody Dominican strongman and personality cult center
Empress Wu - the single cruellest ruler China ever had, no loyalty whatsoever, and coldly using everyone and everything
Round 6 will be due End of day Sunday.
Sargon of Akkade, 2 - A lot better than some other megalomaniacal rulers
Josef Mengele, 2 - A monster, but relatively small-scale compared to others on this list
Elizabeth Báthory, 1 - Ditto
Hold on, though - couldn’t Eichmann have resigned? Or, heck, even requested another assignment? Yes, the Nazis were profoundly evil, and often deeply stupid - but they had enough common sense, I should think, to realize that you don’t conscript someone against his will to perform complicated administrative or planning work. If Eichmann had declined the gig, would he have been shot?
If not, then I think it’s fair to say he “wanted” to do his evil deeds at least as badly as the other tinpot tyrants did. He had a choice, and chose genocide. He can stick around this list a while.
Fair enough. On a list of very, very evil people such as this, though, I just don’t see him as being at quite the same level in terms of scope or discretion.
I understand your point, but I respectfully disagree. Eichmann has millions of deaths on his hands, and worked very hard to make those deaths happen. If you want to say that Hitler was more evil - okay, fine, I’ll grant you that. But I would submit that Eichmann is at least as evil as any other Nazi on this list short of Hitler.
Sticking with:
Sargon of Akkade – 2
Arnaud-Amalric of Citeaux – 2
Adding:
Irma Grese – 1 (Bitch of Belsen just too minor a figure to advance much further)
Cortez-2
Pizarro-2
Ivan the Terrible-1
Talk about the banality of evil. Looks like this petered out. I’ve been checking the front page of the games forum for it periodically , and finally decided to do a search using the Necromantic Arts.
I know I wasn’t participating as much as I had hoped…been pretty distracted lately…but didn’t expect it to vanish.
To mis-quote Burke: “All that is needed for no Evil Bastage to triumph is for good men, women, and Internet trolls to do nothing.”
Any interest in keeping this going?
I’m game, but maybe we should just let it die.
Honestly, I don’t have much of an appetite for reviewing the histories of the various serial killers & genocides to determine which is the least awful. May be worth bringing the concept back with another topic in a month or two, but I really didn’t miss this thread when it disappeared.
It’s true that this topic makes for queasy lunchtime reading. 