Most grueling pro sport?

I think Tom Simpson would argue for cycling if he had the chance. He basically rode himself to death. And there are a few instances of riders dying from crashes.

Typical pros would race 40-60 days a season. The season being roughly March - October. Some guys might do two of the three “Grand Tours” (Italy, France, Spain) which are 3 weeks of racing with 2 rest days; the same guys would also be expected to do some of the one day races.

I would echo someone else’s suggestion to break up the “grueling” into sub-gruels. Cycling is certainly grueling, but in a different way than American football.

Plus, in cycling you have to eat while you participate.

What, Al MacInnis and Rob Blake, and maybe three other players at most?

Cyclists are gluttons for punishment. They love those long, multi-mountain-pass rides. Gives 'em something to brag about.

Mike Fisher, Andrej Meszaros and Daniel Alfredsson of the Senators all broke the 100 MPH barrier just recently. I can name plenty of other players who have done it as well.

2 players broke 100 mph at the recent All-Stars skills competition. The hardest shot recorded during a skills competition was 105.2 mph by Al Iafrate in the mid 1990s IIRC. Of course it is said that Bobby Hull went over 120 mph, but I don’t trust the 1960’s radar guns too much.

The puck probably doesn’t get that fast too often in a game since you don’t have the time since you are likely to be rushed, but I am sure it has happened.

Just to add to the earlier replies:

The season lasts about six months, give or take, with matches about once a week. There will be some rotation within the squad to cover for injuries and fatigue. The major Rugby-playing nations will each play about ten internationals a year (f’rinstance, over here we have the Six Nations which is five matches each, we had three autumn internationals and we typically play a three-international tour over summer).

A single match is 80 minutes, with a few minutes of extra time if there are appreciable losses owing to injury. Play is nominally continuous during this time, with slight delays for scrums and line-outs - as long as it takes to form the set-piece and retrieve the ball. There isn’t a “time out” as such.

There are up to seven replacements (at the low end of the amateur scale you are doing well to manage to get fifteen players in the first place :smiley: ) and as a rule replacements are permanent. Minor injuries that are fixable off-field - typically surface bleeding - allow for a temporary replacement while repairs are under way. If a key player has been sin-binned then another player may be temporarily substituted - usually if a front-row forward has been sent off, as the sharp end of a scrum is physically hazardous if you don’t have the special training. Otherwise, everyone’s on for the full 80 minutes, attack, defend or whatever.

Johnny Wilkinson, lately returned to the England side, kicks the equivalent of field goals, extra points after touchdown, and drop-goals (which exist as a theoretical possibility in gridiron, I understand), and also punts, runs, throws laterals, and tackles. Certainly any specialist goalkicker in Rugby would laugh at the notion of being a pampered hothouse flower who steps up only for the one duty and expects never to be touched by the opposition. :slight_smile:
There are no national differences between English and Australian Rugby, but there are two different forms of the game, League and Union. I’ve described Union above; anecdotally, League is a tougher game altogether. (Oz also has “Rules”, Australian Rules football - more like an oval-ball variant of Gaelic football than anything else, and not especially Rugby-like.)

I think Malacandra has synthesized the game of Rugby Union well. I played American Football in High School and Rugby for 10 years through University and afterwars for a US club side. When trying to explain the difference between Football players and Rugby players I like to use a medical analogy. Rugby players are to General Practitioners as Football payers are to specialized surgeons.

In American Football, although certain basic characteristics are desirable in all players – speed, quickness, intelligence, toughness – the skill sets needed to play different positions do not overlap that much. What an interior lineman does is very different from what a tight end does which is different from a receiver to the full back to the halfback to the quarterback. And that’s just on offense.

In Rugby, by contrast, there is a basic breakdown in duties for forwards and backs – forwards handle set plays while backs are responsible for advancing the ball – there is a broader set of skills that all players must share. In the course of an average rugby match, all players will handle the ball, all players will have to pass the ball, all will have to ruck and present the ball and all will at some point have to make a tackle.

The OP is an interesting one but one that I think is subjective. In the end, IMHO, the “gruelingness” of a sport depends on so many different factors including injuries and training that comparing them is difficult. Jerry Rice, for instance, loved training, was always in shape, rarely hurt and in his 20+ years of playing organized football probably never found it grueling. Conrad Dobler or the family of Mike Webster might have a different opinion (I did see the piece on HBO). The principal thing I took from the HBO piece, though, was that players now disabled wouldn’t change what the game asked of them in the past. Rather they want the game and the union to provide them more now in the way of pensions and benefits, especially medical care. I think they’re entitled to that. One player (I don’t recall who) pointed out that although the NFL does not consider him disabled, the federal government does for which he receives support through Social Security.

American Football, in my mind, leaves the greatest number of permanent cripples of any sport on any continent. That is because a premium is paid to sheer size and the body is used as a weapon. There is only one place in the modern game for the small and that’s at kicker, the most specialized position of all. Human joints can’t handle the speed and size of today’s players and I don’t see things changing any time soon. It is an issue the NFL will have to deal with eventually.

Rugby, by contrast has a place for smaller players – although bigger is better – and does more to protect the individual, especially from injuries to joints, than american football. That’s not to say rugby is any less grueling. I found myself less tired after playing a 48-minute football game in high school at offensive guard than I did playing an 80-minute rugby match in college where I had to set in at prop 30 or 50 times (not uncommon when players are inexperienced).

In a recent interview, Bryan O’Driscoll, captain for Ireland and Leicester, mentioned that his new contract limits him to about 25 games a year. I’m not certain that includes games with the national team or not, but it seems an awful lot either way. If it doesn’t he might play as many as 40 during the course of a year. I would add that few players in any professional sport play a whole season or, to be more exact, in every possible game or match they’re eligible for. Most are injured or rested or scratched at some point during a long season.

I wasn’t a very good football player in high school, so I didn’t play very much and really didn’t get injured. I played rugby between ages 20 and 30 and matured into a respectable player. In those 10 years, I broke my nose twice, a wrist, both thumbs and twisted both ankles innumerable times. I was probably concussed twice. Today, 12 years later, my mind is fine, but I have arthritis in both ankles and my knees creak and hurt in the morning but are otherwise okay. I love the game of rugby and feel lucky I played. I wouldn’t change the time I played for anything. It was tough, but not grueling.

Hockey.

No other sport gives you a weapon and allows you to use it basically as you see fit with the punishment generally being 2 minutes or less.

Somebody mentioned “playing in the cold” about hockey. But NHL hockey players don’t play in the cold. The temperature is constant in an indoor rink, and when you’re playing in full gear you sweat like crazy. You might get a bit chilly if you were sitting in the stands watching the game, but not playing. Football players probably have to worry about cold more than hockey players.

As a kid I did get cold when we played outdoor hockey, but kids don’t put the all-out effort. And we only canceled games at -20F.

The rules may be the same, but…

Southern Hemisphere Rugby has a longer season and is played at a higher intensity than Northern Hemisphere rugby.

In NZ, top players play internationals, national provincial and Super 14 matches. The Super14 are super-regional teams from South Africa, Australia and NZ, so 14 matches over about 18 weeks with international travel. The teams are all made up of international and ex/near international players. The NPC in NZ is almost as intense. And the TriNations series (Australia, South Africa, NZ) is hugely tough.

As for the physical impacts felt by these guys, I agree that the quality of impact is different to something like American football, pads or no pads. But the fact is that for 80 minutes these guys are running into each other hard. They split skin and get stitched up on the sidelines and come back on. They climb all over each other with studded boots. They bruise all over, and climb into an ice bath for 10 minutes after the game so that they can move the next day.

These guys are hard.

Si