# Most Important Person in World History **URL:** \ **Category:** In My Humble Opinion\ **Created:** [December 3, 2005, 9:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/most-important-person-in-world-history/333944 "2005-12-03T21:30:46Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 7\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![NinjaChick](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/71c47a/32.png) [@NinjaChick](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NinjaChick)\ **Post date:** [May 21, 2006, 9:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/most-important-person-in-world-history/333944/81 "2006-05-21T21:59:21Z")
[QUOTE=Mayo Speaks!] Since Jesus and Mohammed have been mentioned, I’ll nominate **Euclid**. For all of the flaws of _The Elements_, (which start at proposition 1!) the idea that given a small number of givens, remarkable results must follow was basically the start of mathematics. Before him, there had been math, and even some “proofs” of things, but Euclid was the first to really introduce rigor. And from that, we get all of modern mathematics. Maybe it’s just the computer scientist in me, but I can think of no development more important in history. It created tools for future scientists to use that they knew were true, which allowed them to focus on their science. YMMV. [/QUOTE] Ah, I was just sitting here going “No one has mentioned Euclid yet?” He basically introduced logic to geometry, and even a chronic math-phobe like myself has to admit that some of his proofs are just…beautiful. ---
**Author:** ![mike1dog](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ba9def/32.png) [@mike1dog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mike1dog)\ **Post date:** [May 22, 2006, 12:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/most-important-person-in-world-history/333944/82 "2006-05-22T00:29:05Z")
What about Henry Ford? He didn’t invent the car, obviously, but he was the first to really mass produce an affordable, reliable car. Whether you love or hate the automobile, you have to admit it has really changed the world. ---
**Author:** ![bup](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/6bbea6/32.png) [@bup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bup)\ **Post date:** [May 22, 2006, 1:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/most-important-person-in-world-history/333944/83 "2006-05-22T01:17:54Z")
[QUOTE=Martini Enfield] The only other person I can think of (off the top of my head) who could be said to have declined absolute power is [T.E. Lawrence](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/T._E._Lawrence), AKA _Lawrence of Arabia_. [/QUOTE] Someone in this thread already mentioned Ghandi. But George Washington was the first since Cincinnatus. But without Ben Franklin doing all the stuff he did in England and France, Washington would’ve never won the war. In fact, the most important victory - Gates over Burgoyne is the politcial capital Franklin really had to spend in jawing the English and in getting French backing - had almost nothing to do with Washington. Franklin in 1778 already had the Brits offering various peaces that included independence. I further think that Franklin would’ve had a more likely shot “creating” a Washington (had Washington not been there) - or impelling his countrymen to overthrow the man who would’ve taken the emperor’s laurels in 1783 - than Washington would’ve had finding a Franklin to negotiate in Europe had Franklin not been there. Similarly, I can believe things would be more the same had Euclid not existed - someone would have come up with mathematical rigor from which the scientific method could follow. ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [May 22, 2006, 12:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/most-important-person-in-world-history/333944/84 "2006-05-22T12:12:12Z")
Aristotle. We can close this thread, now. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![calm\_kiwi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/9fc348/32.png) [@calm\_kiwi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/calm_kiwi)\ **Post date:** [May 22, 2006, 1:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/most-important-person-in-world-history/333944/85 "2006-05-22T13:10:00Z")
[QUOTE=JohnT] Aristotle. We can close this thread, now. 😉 [/QUOTE] No. George Bush. He is fucking up the world better and faster then anyone else could. He will go down in history as the American President who fucked it all up (He likes Gadaffi now? Didn’t America hate him 20 years ago and support someone else? Isn’t pick’n’mix favourites a dangerous/stupid way to go?). What is the point in evaluating brilliant people from the past when one Very Important Person in the present will have more impact on our lives, no matter where we live. ---
**Author:** ![HubZilla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/ccd318/32.png) [@HubZilla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HubZilla)\ **Post date:** [May 22, 2006, 10:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/most-important-person-in-world-history/333944/86 "2006-05-22T22:12:59Z")
[QUOTE=rowrrbazzle] St. Paul is arguably more important than Jesus. As has been observed before, without Paul Christianity would have remained an obscure Jewish cult. This is different from Pacioli because double-entry book-keeping has concrete advantages over other methods in most circumstances. Are there any concrete advantages of Christianity over other religions? [/QUOTE] I would put Constantine above Paul. By making Christianity the official religion of Rome (more or less), it increased its popularity. ---
**Author:** ![Winston\_Smith](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/e95f7d/32.png) [@Winston\_Smith](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Winston_Smith)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2006, 12:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/most-important-person-in-world-history/333944/87 "2006-05-23T00:38:10Z")
Bill Gates. Seriously. And the best is yet to come. It may be generations before the ramifications of his accomplishments are truely understood and appreciated. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/most-important-person-in-world-history/333944.md?page=4)