# Most impressive franchise from the most mediocre beginning

**URL:** <https://boards.straightdope.com/t/most-impressive-franchise-from-the-most-mediocre-beginning/1002401>\
**Category:** Cafe Society\
**Tags:** movies, star-trek-paramount\
**Created:** [June 2, 2024, 12:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/most-impressive-franchise-from-the-most-mediocre-beginning/1002401 "2024-06-02T00:39:53Z")\
**Posts on this page:** 6\
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**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\
**Post date:** [June 4, 2024, 5:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/most-impressive-franchise-from-the-most-mediocre-beginning/1002401/101 "2024-06-04T17:20:28Z")

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> [@Larry\_Borgia](#):
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> My favorite line was when Carlo opens the door, expecting to get good news and before anyone says anything he sees that Michael knows his treachery.

Is this the Abe Vigoda character?

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**Author:** ![Stratocaster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/stratocaster/32/16393_2.png) [@Stratocaster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stratocaster)\
**Post date:** [June 4, 2024, 5:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/most-impressive-franchise-from-the-most-mediocre-beginning/1002401/102 "2024-06-04T17:21:48Z")

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Connie’s husband and Sonny’s betrayer.

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**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\
**Post date:** [June 4, 2024, 5:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/most-impressive-franchise-from-the-most-mediocre-beginning/1002401/103 "2024-06-04T17:23:01Z")

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Oh, yeah. I remember that guy. Gets beat up in the street.

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**Author:** ![Stratocaster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/stratocaster/32/16393_2.png) [@Stratocaster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stratocaster)\
**Post date:** [June 4, 2024, 5:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/most-impressive-franchise-from-the-most-mediocre-beginning/1002401/104 "2024-06-04T17:25:49Z")

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He gets his for Sonny in the end, too. “You have to answer for Santino, Carlo.” Chilling.

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**Author:** ![Kent\_Clark](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kent_clark/32/105_2.png) [@Kent\_Clark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kent_Clark)\
**Post date:** [June 4, 2024, 6:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/most-impressive-franchise-from-the-most-mediocre-beginning/1002401/105 "2024-06-04T18:01:07Z")

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> [@Stratocaster](#):
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> Well, “middling” is a pretty good description of its artistic merit.

The relationship between artistic merit and a franchise is pretty tenuous. Remember, we’ve mentioned franchises built from cartoon characters, children’s toys, and felt puppets on someone’s hand.

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**Author:** ![Stratocaster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/stratocaster/32/16393_2.png) [@Stratocaster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stratocaster)\
**Post date:** [June 4, 2024, 7:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/most-impressive-franchise-from-the-most-mediocre-beginning/1002401/106 "2024-06-04T19:34:49Z")

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Fair point.

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