Most incredible historical inaccuracies in movies.

Especially since he sent them to Japan 50 years before it was opened to outsiders and male Dutch merchants were the only Europeans allowed to set foot in the country (even then they were confined to their own island).

If we consider TV series Rome took all sorts of liberties with the timeline, the Juli family, and Atia’s character in particular (the real life Atia Balboa was apparenly a shinging example of a virtuous Roman matron)

Thanks for the interesting visual of Atia beating up pig carcases.

It’s Atia Balba Caesonia. :smiley:

Well. She was Augustus’s mother. They pretty much had to say that…:smiley:

Then again, they said some pretty raunchy stuff about his daughter, so maybe they wouldn’t have left it out even if his mom had been a badass.

Suppose Congress passed a law making it illegal to advocate assassinating a President in any manner or encourage other people to do so. Not saying this would be a fair or just law but accept for the sake of argument that it is a law.

Now suppose I wrote an article for publication in which I wrote: “I think no elected official, even those in the highest of positions, is entitled to protection if he is disloyal. If that official is of questionable loyalty due to having spent years living in a foreign country (like Indonesia for example) and may have even been born in another country (like Kenya for example) and might thereby not be legally qualified for the office he holds, then Americans need to take action. In such a case, I think it is the duty of every American to do whatever it takes, even assassination, to right the great wrong that was done.”

Following this I get arrested. In my defense I state, “I can honestly state that I never wrote that people should assassinate President Obama. I never even mentioned his name.” But do you honestly think there’s any question of who I was talking about?

How is it pronounced? Is it with that long “ah” before the “g”? Like a Copenhaaaaahgen?

Colbert did that the other week and it was an assault on my ears every time he did it.

Wild Wild West?

Nemo, if you think that A Man for All Seasons was about the railroading of an innocent, you don’t understand either the play or the character. It’s certainly implied, if not explicitly stated, that More disapproved of Henry’s actions and conveyed this in his writings and actions , short of actually explicitly saying or doing anything against the letter of the law – all of More’s statements about the law (“There I’m a forester” “A Technicality”“Yes, but it’s there, thank God”) point to that.

Your example of writing about assassination is spot-on. Except that More wasn’t advocating killing anyone. He was protesti ng the action of a monarch that (at least in the play – I’m not certain of More’s real intent) he felt went directly against divine law, and that he was duty-bound to oppose to the best of his ability. That is the point of the play – More’s person and soul were bound up in that belief. Bolt regarded that as somewhat ridiculous, saying that all More had to do was put his hand on a book and lie, and saying that the point of view of the Common Man (a character from the play absent from the movie), who certainly would have done so, was unassailable. But the headstrong yet witty More comes off as more admirable and honorable. And it’s precisely because he opposed the king, and expressed this, yet avoided direct transgression. He was executed by the King’s side cheating which constitutes a victory of sorts. But the play and movie would be pretty meaningless if More wasn’t issuing such protests.

Damn - that’s Hellboy ruined for me too.

I feel I do understand the play and the character. But I feel that the character that Robert Bolt created was not an accurate reflection of Thomas More.

Bolt’s More was somebody who held to a strong principle and was attempting to avoid dissent as much as possible while living inside that principle. He was portrayed as someone who was forced into a confrontation.

The historical More did not do all he could to avoid the confrontation. He repeatedly made public statements of his beliefs, which were illegal.

I’m not saying one situation is more moral than the other. But a person who is forced into a defiance he didn’t seek is different than a character who willingly defies something he feels is unjust.

Well, from what I understand, that Dutch “g” is a trick by itself. Dave Barry some years ago mentioned the Dutch “g,”, its awful sound, and how every Dutch word had at least three of them. I’ve heard that it was used as a shibboleth in WWII to smoke out Dutch-speaking Germans speakers from the natives.

Sounds like your typical Civil War Confederate.

It would be a horrible historical inaccuracy to put Copenhagen in the Netherlands.

And ignoring that, the local pronunciation of the “g” isn’t really important seeing as the local (ie Danish) name for the city doesn’t have a “g” in it: Køpenhavn.

From Merriam-Webster:

Pronunciation: \ˌkō-pən-ˈhā-gən, -ˈhä-; ˈkō-pən-ˌ
Variant(s): or Danish Kö·ben·havn \ˌkœ-bən-ˈhau̇n\

So I guess the preferred pronunciation in American English would be something like coh-pun-HAY-gun, although I would have said COH-pun-hay-gun.

Michael Collins has a number of inaccuracies, the most infamous being an incident involving a car bomb (which weren’t even invented until roughly half a century later). And while this mightn’t be an “inaccuracy”, strictly speaking, there is an intimation in the film that Eamon de Valera was behind his killing. No historian that I’m aware of seems to believe this.

Walker is filled with anachronisms, by artisitc choice, of course.

The impression I got from the film was that Swigert was most definitely up to the task, but that there was some doubt in his abilities that proved unjustified.

The argument was ahistorical, but as historical movies go, Apollo 13 was vastly more accurate than most.

The Alamo with John Wayne had so many inaccurate that Historians J. Frank Dobie and Lon Tinkle demanded that their names be removed from the credits as historical advisors.

Little Nemo, just out of curiosity, what books did More write condemning the King’s actions?

Finally a thread where I can trot out my Sig for relevance, and I’m beaten to it.

As for me, Pirates of Silicon Valley remains the funniest movie I’ve ever seen in my life.