# most incredibly worthless, annoying character in an otherwise decent movie? **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [April 4, 2009, 11:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/most-incredibly-worthless-annoying-character-in-an-otherwise-decent-movie/491961 "2009-04-04T11:23:30Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![Argent\_Towers](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e8c25b/32.png) [@Argent\_Towers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Argent_Towers)\ **Post date:** [April 6, 2009, 2:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/most-incredibly-worthless-annoying-character-in-an-otherwise-decent-movie/491961/81 "2009-04-06T02:38:40Z")
> [@Mississippienne](#): > > Oh my god, yes. PiP is my least-favorite John Hughes movie because of Blaine, and it amazes me that people find it so romantic that he and Andie get together. I mean, Blaine is a spoiled rich kid who makes no attempt to understand Andie’s world. He takes her on the most awkward date ever so she can be insulted by his preppy, snotty friends. When his best friend calls Andie “trash” to his face, all Blaine can muster is a weak “So what if I like her?” He asks her to the prom and then starts avoiding her because his idiot clique doesn’t like her. Then he has the nerve to show up at the prom and tell Andie that he “always believed in her”. Right asshole, you believed in her so much that you treated her like shit and let your friends abuse her. > > Blaine is a total pussy. I hate that movie, but I think it had potential to be something much more interesting. The most compelling character in that movie was Steff (not surprising, since he was played by James Spader.) While Blaine is a totally uninteresting male lead, bland, boring and devoid of any real unique qualities, Steff is somewhat more complicated. Early on in the movie, Steff propositions Andie (I remember, he was leaning against a car or something, or maybe he was in a car, when he did it) and she rejects him. This clearly damages Steff’s ego, to think that a girl from the lower class wouldn’t automatically be willing to sleep with a rich alpha-male like him. After this incident, Steff makes it his personal mission to humiliate Andie and try to make Blaine stop going out with her. This is the point at which Steff becomes a cookie cutter preppy-villain, just like William Zabka in The Karate Kid - and Blaine takes over as the knight in shining armor, who will not only love the poor peasant girl for what she is, but also protect her from the evil Spader. I always thought it would have been a lot more interesting if Andie wound up with Steff in the end. If, over time, they started to like each other - Steff initially attempting to seduce Andie for no other reason than to spite his friend Blaine, who he resents for dating the lower-class girl in the first place, and Andie initially hating him, but the two eventually falling for each other. I mostly just feel this way because I hate Andrew McCarthy’s character and James Spader is awesome; but nevertheless, I still think it would have made the movie way more interesting. Two characters going from outright _hating_ each other, to loving each other, is a more compelling tale than an upper-class guy with snobby friends falling for a lower-class girl who resents the rich guy, even though he loves her and just wants to be her boyfriend, etc. ---
**Author:** ![Horatio\_Hellpop](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/e5b9ba/32.png) [@Horatio\_Hellpop](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Horatio_Hellpop)\ **Post date:** [April 6, 2009, 2:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/most-incredibly-worthless-annoying-character-in-an-otherwise-decent-movie/491961/82 "2009-04-06T02:49:07Z")
Mary Corleone from **Godfather III**. There was a reason Winona Ryder was supposed to play her and it crippled the movie that Sofia Coppolla did it instead. She was a pivotal character who required a major actress to play her. ---
**Author:** ![gonzomax](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e8c25b/32.png) [@gonzomax](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gonzomax)\ **Post date:** [April 6, 2009, 2:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/most-incredibly-worthless-annoying-character-in-an-otherwise-decent-movie/491961/83 "2009-04-06T02:51:05Z")
Clint Eastwood put Sondra Locke in several movies. It was his girlfriend at the time and he thought she would appeal to all of us like she did for him. Wrong. Unappealing and absolutely can not act. ---
**Author:** ![NDP](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ndp/32/55_2.png) [@NDP](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NDP)\ **Post date:** [April 6, 2009, 4:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/most-incredibly-worthless-annoying-character-in-an-otherwise-decent-movie/491961/84 "2009-04-06T04:06:52Z")
> [@Lamia](#): > > I don’t want to spoil anything for you, but there is another major (and non-evil) female character in **Crystal Skull** who does have a romantic relationship with Indy. Unless there was some secret unbilled actress whom none of the reviews talked about, I did know they brought back Karen Allen’s Marion in the movie. However, Blanchett had higher billing. (Of course, it was probably a wise move not to have Indy involved with Blanchett’s character since she was young enough to be his daughter.) ---
**Author:** ![maplekiwi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/a4c791/32.png) [@maplekiwi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/maplekiwi)\ **Post date:** [April 6, 2009, 4:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/most-incredibly-worthless-annoying-character-in-an-otherwise-decent-movie/491961/85 "2009-04-06T04:10:41Z")
> [@Argent\_Towers](#): > > I hate that movie, but I think it had potential to be something much more interesting. The most compelling character in that movie was Steff (not surprising, since he was played by James Spader.) While Blaine is a totally uninteresting male lead, bland, boring and devoid of any real unique qualities, Steff is somewhat more complicated. Early on in the movie, Steff propositions Andie (I remember, he was leaning against a car or something, or maybe he was in a car, when he did it) and she rejects him. This clearly damages Steff’s ego, to think that a girl from the lower class wouldn’t automatically be willing to sleep with a rich alpha-male like him. > > After this incident, Steff makes it his personal mission to humiliate Andie and try to make Blaine stop going out with her. This is the point at which Steff becomes a cookie cutter preppy-villain, just like William Zabka in The Karate Kid - and Blaine takes over as the knight in shining armor, who will not only love the poor peasant girl for what she is, but also protect her from the evil Spader. > > I always thought it would have been a lot more interesting if Andie wound up with Steff in the end. If, over time, they started to like each other - Steff initially attempting to seduce Andie for no other reason than to spite his friend Blaine, who he resents for dating the lower-class girl in the first place, and Andie initially hating him, but the two eventually falling for each other. > > I mostly just feel this way because I hate Andrew McCarthy’s character and James Spader is awesome; but nevertheless, I still think it would have made the movie way more interesting. Two characters going from outright _hating_ each other, to loving each other, is a more compelling tale than an upper-class guy with snobby friends falling for a lower-class girl who resents the rich guy, even though he loves her and just wants to be her boyfriend, etc. No, I think if she had gone with the James Spader character she would hav eneded up with another rich, good looking guy who was going to let her down every single time! I do hope some day they release a “director’s cut” verson where she ends up with Ducky as up till the crappy cop out ending this is one of my favourite teen movies ---
**Author:** ![Stranger\_On\_A\_Train](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/13edae/32.png) [@Stranger\_On\_A\_Train](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stranger_On_A_Train)\ **Post date:** [April 6, 2009, 4:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/most-incredibly-worthless-annoying-character-in-an-otherwise-decent-movie/491961/86 "2009-04-06T04:28:12Z")
> [@maplekiwi](#): > > No, I think if she had gone with the James Spader character she would hav eneded up with another rich, good looking guy who was going to let her down every single time! I do hope some day they release a “director’s cut” verson where she ends up with Ducky as up till the crappy cop out ending this is one of my favourite teen movies And of course Ducky will turn out to be the same beery, boozy loser her father was, leaving her to raise her five hell-spawn on her own in a trailer park next door to her meth-head neighbors. Stranger ---
**Author:** ![Critical1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/3e96dc/32.png) [@Critical1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Critical1)\ **Post date:** [April 6, 2009, 5:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/most-incredibly-worthless-annoying-character-in-an-otherwise-decent-movie/491961/87 "2009-04-06T05:07:59Z")
Man I LOVED Tucker in 5th element, its the only movie hes ever done that I like. how about the Matrix…Neo/block o wood/Reeves. that is a movie that would have rocked with an actual lead instead of a 2x4. ---
**Author:** ![Argent\_Towers](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e8c25b/32.png) [@Argent\_Towers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Argent_Towers)\ **Post date:** [April 6, 2009, 5:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/most-incredibly-worthless-annoying-character-in-an-otherwise-decent-movie/491961/88 "2009-04-06T05:25:35Z")
> [@maplekiwi](#): > > No, I think if she had gone with the James Spader character she would hav eneded up with another rich, good looking guy who was going to let her down every single time! I do hope some day they release a “director’s cut” verson where she ends up with Ducky as up till the crappy cop out ending this is one of my favourite teen movies If Ducky went to my high school, I would kick his ass. Annoying, whiny, weaselly, self-righteous, pompous, pretentious, and downright creepy motherfucker. Bitches and moans that he can’t get the girl, but there’s nothing about his personality that would be appealing to a woman. Harry Dean Stanton should have hit him over the head with a cast-iron skillet. Spader is awesome and his Miami Vice white suit is right slick. James Spader is basically the movie equivalent of fucking two women in the back of a Lincoln convertible (in other words, awesome.) Every character he plays steals the whole movie. Spader steals movies better than Bernard Madoff steals money. ---
**Author:** ![foolsguinea](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/foolsguinea/32/14751_2.png) [@foolsguinea](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/foolsguinea)\ **Post date:** [April 6, 2009, 5:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/most-incredibly-worthless-annoying-character-in-an-otherwise-decent-movie/491961/89 "2009-04-06T05:34:08Z")
Really, it’s a tie between Chris Tucker’s & Gary Oldman’s characters in\* The Fifth Element.\* No, wait, at least Oldman was the antagonist (if an awful one). Tucker was a waste. :does page search: ETA: Yeah, I think we have a winner. ---
**Author:** ![Bosstone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/22d042/32.png) [@Bosstone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bosstone)\ **Post date:** [April 6, 2009, 5:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/most-incredibly-worthless-annoying-character-in-an-otherwise-decent-movie/491961/90 "2009-04-06T05:55:28Z")
> [@foolsguinea](#): > > Really, it’s a tie between Chris Tucker’s & Gary Oldman’s characters in\* The Fifth Element.\* > > No, wait, at least Oldman was the antagonist (if an awful one). Tucker was a waste. > > :does page search: > ETA: Yeah, I think we have a winner. I agree Oldman was somewhat useless, although he does push the plot along behind the scenes, but annoying? He gets the best scene in the movie! ---
**Author:** ![AngelSoft](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/angelsoft/32/440_2.png) [@AngelSoft](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AngelSoft)\ **Post date:** [April 6, 2009, 6:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/most-incredibly-worthless-annoying-character-in-an-otherwise-decent-movie/491961/91 "2009-04-06T06:03:08Z")
> [@panache45](#): > > Nobody has mentioned Mickey Rooney’s “Mr. Yunioshi,” in \*Breakfast at Tiffany’s. \*A totally gratuitous, offensive, obnoxious, pointless . . . I’d need a thesaurus to list all the adjectives. And the worst thing is, the character was supposed to be funny, not offensive. I’ve never seen the movie so I had no idea who this was. But seeing this post made me curious to just HOW offensive it could really be. My god. After seeing clips on Youtube, I wasn’t surprised to read about the movie being banned from playing in some places. I understand that things were different back then but sheesh! ---
**Author:** ![Larry\_Borgia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/larry_borgia/32/156_2.png) [@Larry\_Borgia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Larry_Borgia)\ **Post date:** [April 6, 2009, 2:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/most-incredibly-worthless-annoying-character-in-an-otherwise-decent-movie/491961/92 "2009-04-06T14:55:43Z")
I’d say Jar-jar binks wasn’t even the most annoying character in TPM. That honor goes to young Annakin himself. Jake Loyd was a terrible child actor who bellowed every one of his lines. The movie took a turn for the crappy when he showed up. Before then Jar-jar was annoying unfunny comic relief, but the movie had potential to be a good movie with an annoying character. When Annakin showed up it just started sucking. ---
**Author:** ![cactus\_waltz](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/74df32/32.png) [@cactus\_waltz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cactus_waltz)\ **Post date:** [April 6, 2009, 3:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/most-incredibly-worthless-annoying-character-in-an-otherwise-decent-movie/491961/93 "2009-04-06T15:03:24Z")
> [@Ludovic](#): > > icwydt 🙂 Gesundheit. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Captain\_Carrot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/f0a364/32.png) [@Captain\_Carrot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Captain_Carrot)\ **Post date:** [April 6, 2009, 3:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/most-incredibly-worthless-annoying-character-in-an-otherwise-decent-movie/491961/94 "2009-04-06T15:11:07Z")
Good God, Jake Lloyd is almost my age. ---
**Author:** ![Rocketeer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rocketeer/32/4437_2.png) [@Rocketeer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rocketeer)\ **Post date:** [April 6, 2009, 5:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/most-incredibly-worthless-annoying-character-in-an-otherwise-decent-movie/491961/95 "2009-04-06T17:57:31Z")
> [@Birdmonster](#): > > If only this was Minnie Driver instead of Annie McDowell. In fact, if we could replace Annie McDowell with Minnie Driver, carte blanche, forever and ever, I’d be on board. Oh my god, that’s like replacing spinach with Brussels sprouts. :dubious: ---
**Author:** ![Mannish](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e36b37/32.png) [@Mannish](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mannish)\ **Post date:** [April 6, 2009, 6:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/most-incredibly-worthless-annoying-character-in-an-otherwise-decent-movie/491961/96 "2009-04-06T18:12:01Z")
> [@Rocketeer](#): > > Oh my god, that’s like replacing spinach with Brussels sprouts. :dubious: And on that note, I’d like to nominate Minnie Driver’s character in _Good Will Hunting_…I wish someone would have given HER the Belt\Stick\Wrench Choice during the film. ---
**Author:** ![maplekiwi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/a4c791/32.png) [@maplekiwi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/maplekiwi)\ **Post date:** [April 6, 2009, 7:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/most-incredibly-worthless-annoying-character-in-an-otherwise-decent-movie/491961/97 "2009-04-06T19:00:46Z")
For the record its **Andie** MacDowell not Annie - but I agree shes terrible. & I would like to nominate Andrew McCarthy. Hes cute but I only remember being convinced by one his characters in St Elmos Fire ---
**Author:** ![Ellen\_Cherry](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ellen_cherry/32/3600_2.png) [@Ellen\_Cherry](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ellen_Cherry)\ **Post date:** [April 6, 2009, 7:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/most-incredibly-worthless-annoying-character-in-an-otherwise-decent-movie/491961/98 "2009-04-06T19:04:44Z")
**Argent Towers** ’ re-write of _Pretty in Pink_ sounds a lot like another John Hughes staple, _The Breakfast Club_. Isn’t that what happens to the Molly Ringwald character — she, this time the rich girl, finally understands and then falls for bad boy/poor boy Judd Nelson. I love it that they’re unsure what will happen come Monday morning. But I do nominate Ally Sheedy in that movie as worthless and annoying. Gah! She draws a pictures and then _snows dandruff_ from her own head down upon it! _sticks finger down throat_ And then, after Molly cleans her up a bit and she starts to seem almost human, she reveals that she didn’t have to be there at all that day. She just had nothing else to do! Gah again! The boredom in the initial scenes is palpable, and she’s so worthless that this is entertainment for her?! But it’s mostly the dandruff that turns me against her. ---
**Author:** ![BlinkingDuck](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/eada6e/32.png) [@BlinkingDuck](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BlinkingDuck)\ **Post date:** [April 6, 2009, 7:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/most-incredibly-worthless-annoying-character-in-an-otherwise-decent-movie/491961/99 "2009-04-06T19:25:08Z")
IIRC Ally Sheedy was asked to do the Molly Ringwald role…but wanted to do the freaky girl instead. She did such a good job that you think she was a terrible actress! Not bad… ---
**Author:** ![Ellen\_Cherry](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ellen_cherry/32/3600_2.png) [@Ellen\_Cherry](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ellen_Cherry)\ **Post date:** [April 6, 2009, 8:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/most-incredibly-worthless-annoying-character-in-an-otherwise-decent-movie/491961/100 "2009-04-06T20:47:26Z")
No, I do not think she is a terrible actress. I think her _character_ is annoying and disgusting, and pretty much worthless as pertaining to the plot, as per the thread topic. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/most-incredibly-worthless-annoying-character-in-an-otherwise-decent-movie/491961.md?page=4) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/most-incredibly-worthless-annoying-character-in-an-otherwise-decent-movie/491961.md?page=6)