# Most Liberals are Hateful and Nasty Individuals **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [May 29, 2013, 4:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/most-liberals-are-hateful-and-nasty-individuals/659635 "2013-05-29T16:41:34Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 10
**Author:** ![miss\_elizabeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/838e76/32.png) [@miss\_elizabeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/miss_elizabeth)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2013, 3:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/most-liberals-are-hateful-and-nasty-individuals/659635/181 "2013-05-31T15:13:05Z")
> [@tiescore](#): > > It was then I realized I am to the left, just a revenue source and not a citizen. My government worker friends feel I need to pay more taxes, the investments I have to make to save for my meager retirement… while they get pensions with annuity values in the multiple millions handed to them on my dime. It sounds like you made poor financial and career decisions. I don’t see why you think it’s your right to deny someone the compensation they earned just because they work for the government. I mean, it’s not fucking welfare- they are doing a job. Maybe you should have made smarter choices and sought similar work, or done a better job preparing for your retirement. Sounds like you need to stop being lazy and pull yourself up by your bootstraps. ---
**Author:** ![bup](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/6bbea6/32.png) [@bup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bup)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2013, 3:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/most-liberals-are-hateful-and-nasty-individuals/659635/182 "2013-05-31T15:35:33Z")
> [@Damuri\_Ajashi](#): > > Why are guns a conservative thing? I’m not talking about abortion guns. I thought that was clear in context. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2013, 3:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/most-liberals-are-hateful-and-nasty-individuals/659635/183 "2013-05-31T15:54:38Z")
> [@Acsenray](#): > > When is the last time Sanders advocated something radical and extreme anyway? > [@jtgain](#): > > He caucuses with you. You don’t scorn him because he has an extreme ideology. > > Um, he’s a socialist! > [@Acsenray](#): > > That doesn’t answer the question. “Socialist” has no specific meaning. Neither is it necessarily nor definitionally an “extreme ideology”. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2013, 3:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/most-liberals-are-hateful-and-nasty-individuals/659635/184 "2013-05-31T15:57:08Z")
Or antifactual, which was the question being responded to. Amazing, isn’t it, that after over a century it is still possible to convince so many that socialism is another word for communist totalitarianism. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2013, 4:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/most-liberals-are-hateful-and-nasty-individuals/659635/185 "2013-05-31T16:02:55Z")
> [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](#): > > **jtgain** , you do understand that “socialist” does actually have a meaning, and it is not pedophile, mass murderer or divorce attorney, right? You can’t just shout “socialist” and have that stand as some kind of condemnation. That is, being a socialist is not necessarily a bad thing, just like being a conservative is not necessarily a bad thing. > > The reason why people object to Obama being called a socialist is because he is not. If you understood the word, you would understand the objection. “Indeed, the only people who seem to think Obama displays even the slightest social democratic tendency are those who imagine that the very mention of the word ‘socialism’ should inspire a reaction like that of a vampire confronted with the Host.” – [John Nichols](http://www.thenation.com/article/159929/how-socialists-built-america) ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2013, 4:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/most-liberals-are-hateful-and-nasty-individuals/659635/186 "2013-05-31T16:04:59Z")
> [@ElvisL1ves](#): > > Or antifactual, which was the question being responded to. > > Amazing, isn’t it, that after over a century it is still possible to convince so many that socialism is another word for communist totalitarianism. Blame the Communist totalitarians, they kept **using** that word. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2013, 4:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/most-liberals-are-hateful-and-nasty-individuals/659635/187 "2013-05-31T16:06:31Z")
> [@tiescore](#): > > I worked the Republican campaign in 2004. After the polls closed I called the head of the local DNC campaign office to congratulate him on a well run campaign. He told me to go F… myself. And you deserved it. Do you not remember a single thing **about** the 2004 presidential campaign?! ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2013, 4:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/most-liberals-are-hateful-and-nasty-individuals/659635/188 "2013-05-31T16:06:48Z")
“_Oy_! Have _you_ ever picked the \*wrong \*vampire!” - old, old joke ---
**Author:** ![RTFirefly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c77e96/32.png) [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2013, 4:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/most-liberals-are-hateful-and-nasty-individuals/659635/189 "2013-05-31T16:20:21Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > I wager that most liberals are liberals precisely because they wish to help those less fortunate than they are – hardly a recipe for nastiness in and of itself, is it? > > Of course, in my view, liberals are mostly wrong about the best way to help those less fortunate – but that’s an issue of tactics, not temperament. > [@ElvisL1ves](#): > > That assertion might carry a little weight if the conservatives did, in fact, \*have \*a different way to \*actually \*accomplish that goal. But, as long as the party line is “Fuck 'em”, then the assertion that they’re bad people remains grounded. QFT. Not so long ago, the two parties largely agreed on what problems we faced as a nation, but proposed different approaches to dealing with them. Lately, the Republicans seem to have concluded that most of those things that everybody used to agree were problems, aren’t. From massive unemployment to climate change, from discrimination against gays to impediments to access to contraceptives - not a problem, at least not anything that the body politic should address. Hell, not even natural disasters like hurricanes. This is the great political divergence of our time. What’s astounding is how little notice it’s gotten. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2013, 4:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/most-liberals-are-hateful-and-nasty-individuals/659635/190 "2013-05-31T16:41:09Z")
I remember when it was an obvious truism that “Politics is played between the 40-yard lines.” I date the change to the rise of Newt Gingrich as GOP House leader, and his success in convincing his party that the way to power was to demonize rather than to convince the Democrats and their supporters. Viz. [this memo](http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article4443.htm), as evidence. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2013, 4:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/most-liberals-are-hateful-and-nasty-individuals/659635/191 "2013-05-31T16:45:44Z")
> [@ElvisL1ves](#): > > I remember when it was an obvious truism that “Politics is played between the 40-yard lines.” Ah, yes, but you always find those lines by measuring from the **goalposts,** you see. And, while you weren’t looking . . . ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2013, 4:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/most-liberals-are-hateful-and-nasty-individuals/659635/192 "2013-05-31T16:57:48Z")
> [@Strassia](#): > > While there are probably plenty of liberals with wacky ideas, there are only two anti-factual liberal policy positions that I can think of with any mainstream backing: 1) Alternative medicine 2)anti-nuclear power Good points, and thanks. However, I would point out that those who embrace alternative medicine mostly do not dismiss the validity of conventional, science-based medicine, but simply call it inadequate. The exceptions are too few to call mainstream. The anti-nuke people I generally agree about, but would point out that their fallacy is more about considering too narrow and shallow a range of facts than in claiming arrant falsehoods to be fact. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2013, 5:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/most-liberals-are-hateful-and-nasty-individuals/659635/193 "2013-05-31T17:56:55Z")
> [@bup](#): > > I’m not talking about abortion guns. I thought that was clear in context. Abortion guns? What an awesome idea! The NRA-crowd would love them because they’re guns, and us lefties would want one in every house because they do abortions. On second thought, I suppose all guns can be abortion guns. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2013, 6:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/most-liberals-are-hateful-and-nasty-individuals/659635/194 "2013-05-31T18:03:36Z")
[They already beat you to it.](http://gawker.com/5994568/texas-congressman-asks-you-to-imagine-a-fetus-shooting-a-gun-in-the-womb) ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2013, 6:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/most-liberals-are-hateful-and-nasty-individuals/659635/195 "2013-05-31T18:13:13Z")
> [@ElvisL1ves](#): > > [They already beat you to it.](http://gawker.com/5994568/texas-congressman-asks-you-to-imagine-a-fetus-shooting-a-gun-in-the-womb) Great idea-abortions would then be allowed under the “Castle Doctrine”, right? ---
**Author:** ![Sinaptics](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/278dde/32.png) [@Sinaptics](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sinaptics)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2013, 7:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/most-liberals-are-hateful-and-nasty-individuals/659635/196 "2013-05-31T19:10:03Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > Great idea-abortions would then be allowed under the “Castle Doctrine”, right? Obligatory spot-on Family Guy reference: [Baby with a Gun](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=echXodHi9x0) ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2013, 7:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/most-liberals-are-hateful-and-nasty-individuals/659635/197 "2013-05-31T19:19:52Z")
> [@RTFirefly](#): > > Lately, the Republicans seem to have concluded that most of those things that everybody used to agree were problems, aren’t. From massive unemployment to climate change, from discrimination against gays to impediments to access to contraceptives - not a problem, at least not anything that the body politic should address. Hell, not even natural disasters like hurricanes. You believe that everybody used to agree that every item on your list was a problem? Really? ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2013, 7:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/most-liberals-are-hateful-and-nasty-individuals/659635/198 "2013-05-31T19:55:49Z")
Quite right, he should have used a term like “broad consensus” or “general agreement”. Excellent semantic nitpick, **Counselor** , you win again. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2013, 7:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/most-liberals-are-hateful-and-nasty-individuals/659635/199 "2013-05-31T19:57:05Z")
You’re familiar with the colloquial meaning of “everybody”, aren’t you? Dipshit. ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2013, 8:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/most-liberals-are-hateful-and-nasty-individuals/659635/200 "2013-05-31T20:24:32Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > Quite right, he should have used a term like “broad consensus” or “general agreement”. Excellent semantic nitpick, **Counselor** , you win again. I still don’t agree. There’s more broad consensus NOW that climate change is a problem than at prior points in time. In other words, to say, “…the Republicans seem to have concluded that most of those things that everybody used to agree were problems, aren’t,” suggests that a once-broad consensus was once accepted by Republicans, but now they’ve changed their mind. I don’t think either Republicans or the country at large have moved from agreement to disagreement on that point – if anything, the trend has been the other way: TOWARDS broad consensus. In the same vein: [ul] [li]massive unemployment – yes, there was always broad consensus in the past that this was a problem[/li][li]climate change – no, there wasn’t always broad consensus in the past that this was a problem[/li][li]discrimination against gays to impediments – no[/li][li]access to contraceptives – no[/li][/ul] [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/most-liberals-are-hateful-and-nasty-individuals/659635.md?page=9) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/most-liberals-are-hateful-and-nasty-individuals/659635.md?page=11)