# Most Liberals are Hateful and Nasty Individuals **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [May 29, 2013, 4:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/most-liberals-are-hateful-and-nasty-individuals/659635 "2013-05-29T16:41:34Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 9
**Author:** ![Strassia](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e8c25b/32.png) [@Strassia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Strassia)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2013, 10:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/most-liberals-are-hateful-and-nasty-individuals/659635/161 "2013-05-30T22:44:59Z")
> [@Kimstu](#): > > See now, those of us in the reality-based community do tend to care about those sorts of positions, because they indicate that the elected officials who hold them are _BATSHIT CRAZY_. > > Name **one** “left-wing wacko” in Congress who is seriously advocating for a liberal cause that you consider equally reality-denying and pernicious as right-wing wacko beliefs such as “vaccines cause retardation, creationism is as valid as evolution, global warming is a hoax, all we need to do is lower taxes to create jobs, Obamacare equals death panels and socialism, voter impersonation is a huge problem that must be addressed even if preventing ten fraudulent ballots prevents hundreds of thousands from voting, all Muslims are evil terrorists, there’s a war on Christmas”. > [@ElvisL1ves](#): > > **jtgain** : What antifactual positions are you accusing the left wing of being “wacko” about? What is there that compares to the long (and by no means exhaustive) list of antifactual positions associated with the likes of _you_? > > If all you can do is what you’ve done, surrender the field of factuality and indulge in psychological projection, then you might want to remind yourself that you’re on a board whose goal is to fight ignorance. While there are probably plenty of liberals with wacky ideas, there are only two anti-factual liberal policy positions that I can think of with any mainstream backing: 1) Alternative medicine 2)anti-nuclear power ---
**Author:** ![Robot\_Arm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/robot_arm/32/18280_2.png) [@Robot\_Arm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Robot_Arm)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2013, 11:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/most-liberals-are-hateful-and-nasty-individuals/659635/162 "2013-05-30T23:03:39Z")
> [@jtgain](#): > > I don’t care if there are 35 Republicans in the House that will outlaw vaccines, or mandate the teaching of Creationism in school. Those things will never pass in a million years. Isn’t that what we used to say about refusing to raise the debt ceiling, or indiscriminate sequester cuts to the federal budget? ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2013, 11:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/most-liberals-are-hateful-and-nasty-individuals/659635/163 "2013-05-30T23:30:43Z")
> [@Strassia](#): > > While there are probably plenty of liberals with wacky ideas, there are only two anti-factual liberal policy positions that I can think of with any mainstream backing: 1) Alternative medicine 2)anti-nuclear power True. The 9-11 Truthers were mostly left-of-center, but that was not so much a policy position as an agitated mood. ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2013, 11:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/most-liberals-are-hateful-and-nasty-individuals/659635/164 "2013-05-30T23:36:09Z")
In fairness, the sequester was a bipartisan fuckup. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2013, 12:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/most-liberals-are-hateful-and-nasty-individuals/659635/165 "2013-05-31T00:46:49Z")
It was only a _bipartisan_ fuckup in the sense that the Dems badly misjudged the extent of the Reps’ batshittedness. Other than that, the debt ceiling fiasco and everything that resulted from it, including the recovery-impeding sequester and the recovery-impeding lowering of the government’s credit rating, is \*entirely \*on the Reps. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2013, 12:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/most-liberals-are-hateful-and-nasty-individuals/659635/166 "2013-05-31T00:55:59Z")
> [@BrainGlutton](#): > > He has many names . . . His name is Lee John. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2013, 2:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/most-liberals-are-hateful-and-nasty-individuals/659635/167 "2013-05-31T02:21:03Z")
> [@Strassia](#): > > While there are probably plenty of liberals with wacky ideas, there are only two anti-factual liberal policy positions that I can think of with any mainstream backing: 1) Alternative medicine 2)anti-nuclear power > [@BrainGlutton](#): > > True. The 9-11 Truthers were mostly left-of-center, but that was not so much a policy position as an agitated mood. Not quite, as it has been for several years, and taking into account that it is very rare to get super majorities nowadays, Republicans are also part of the problem in this areas, as I noticed before, while there are democrats that do support and vote in favor of Alternative medicine woo, the reality is that they would not be as effective if other Republicans like Orrin Hatch were not for woo too. On the nuclear front there is a lot of members of the Democratic leadership that are on record of supporting Nuclear power, but sadly, most legislation that supports nuclear power is usually torpedoed by Republicans, simply because it is part of plans to deal with the global warming issue: that is, that when plans are proposed to support alternatives and cleaner energy sources like wind, solar **and nuclear** , the anti-scientific part of the Republicans is too strong and they are willing to throw the (nuclear) baby with the bathwater. > **[Clean Energy Standard Act of 2012 Introduced - OurEnergyPolicy](https://www.ourenergypolicy.org/clean-energy-standard-act-of-2012-introduced/)** > > Senate Energy & Natural Resources Chairman Jeff Bingaman (D-NM) has introduced the Clean Energy Standard Act of 2012, which would require electric utilities to derive increasing percentages of their supply mix from low-CO2 sources. The bill would... > [@](#): > > Sources eligible under the legislation include: renewables, such as wind and solar, “qualified” renewable biomass and waste-to-energy, hydropower, natural gas, and nuclear. Facilities with CO2 capture and storage, and some combined heat and power facilities, are also eligible. The bill establishes a market-based credit trading scheme, within which utilities could purchase compliance credits from other utilities. > > … > > **The Act was introduced with no Republican support**. Senator Lisa Murkowski (R-AK), the top Republican on the Energy & Natural Resources Committee has said that she will “only get behind such a standard if it replaces federal climate regulations.” [The Hill] And as usual, no support then leads to acts like this one languishing in congress. ---
**Author:** ![gaffa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e68b1a/32.png) [@gaffa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gaffa)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2013, 4:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/most-liberals-are-hateful-and-nasty-individuals/659635/168 "2013-05-31T04:10:17Z")
> [@Damuri\_Ajashi](#): > > I wish there was a “sportcenter” type meta-show that would give highlights of the other shows. I watch an hour of Maddow for about 20 minutes of really brilliant stuff. I’d like to watch the others (and I like it when they guest host TRMS) but I’ve got shit to do and their shows are like three hours long. So I generally just watch Stewart and Colbert and assume they cover the same talking points as MSNBC. Generally speaking, her first segment contains the best writing. > [@](#): > > She used to be but she has become much more opinionated in the last year or so. Her coverage of guns was especially not even handed. I’d agree with that. But I think she’s become more indignant as the NRA has become more extreme. If they still supported background checks, I think she would be more open to having more pro-gun guests. > [@](#): > > Me: _I do have good friends who are conservative, …He’s a very devout Catholic, and he starts from the basis that abortion is murder, therefore anyone that supports abortion is a supporter of murderers - and actual political discussion is impossible. “Murder” brooks no negotiation._ > I have several friends that fall into this category. They see liberals as baby killers and this bleeds into their view of everything else liberals support. Its just very hard to see good in people that you think are killing babies no matter how much they accuse you of hating women. The whole abortion thing really comes down to religion. There are some people who believe God installs a soul in every zygote. > [@](#): > > me: _Other good conservative friends are business owners who resent every penny they pay in taxes_ > I have no tolerance for friends like this. They are either ignorant or unbelievably selfish. They are genuinely good and nice people, but are seemingly incapable of recognizing the hypocrisy of their position - that they benefit from publicly built roads, a food safety programs that makes sure they have wholesome food to serve to their customers and from a government program that allows them to have a business in **a motherfucking flood plain!** As I said, they have been good customers for decades, and I really like them as people. But…fuck! ---
**Author:** ![AlienVessels](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ba8739/32.png) [@AlienVessels](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AlienVessels)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2013, 4:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/most-liberals-are-hateful-and-nasty-individuals/659635/169 "2013-05-31T04:39:42Z")
> [@jtgain](#): > > He caucuses with you. You don’t scorn him because he has an extreme ideology. > > Um, he’s a socialist! Name some specifics of his specific incarnation of that extreme ideology. Um, how much of the Federal budget is socialist? ---
**Author:** ![Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/8edcca/32.png) [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hentor_the_Barbarian)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2013, 10:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/most-liberals-are-hateful-and-nasty-individuals/659635/170 "2013-05-31T10:12:51Z")
**jtgain** , you do understand that “socialist” does actually have a meaning, and it is not pedophile, mass murderer or divorce attorney, right? You can’t just shout “socialist” and have that stand as some kind of condemnation. That is, being a socialist is not necessarily a bad thing, just like being a conservative is not necessarily a bad thing. The reason why people object to Obama being called a socialist is because he is not. If you understood the word, you would understand the objection. ---
**Author:** ![Lightnin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lightnin/32/180_2.png) [@Lightnin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lightnin)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2013, 10:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/most-liberals-are-hateful-and-nasty-individuals/659635/171 "2013-05-31T10:32:47Z")
> [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](#): > > **jtgain** , you do understand that “socialist” does actually have a meaning, and it is not pedophile, mass murderer or divorce attorney, right? You can’t just shout “socialist” and have that stand as some kind of condemnation. That is, being a socialist is not necessarily a bad thing, just like being a conservative is not necessarily a bad thing. > > The reason why people object to Obama being called a socialist is because he is not. If you understood the word, you would understand the objection. Back when Obama was first running, and the “socialist” word was being thrown around like a frisbee at a Republican picnic, I started to wonder how far back I could search to see when they first started using that epithet for their opponents. I managed to get back over sixty years before I got bored. As near as I can tell, that’s their go-to “vote against my opponent” name-calling. They don’t \*care \*what the word actually means. ---
**Author:** ![tiescore](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/4bbf92/32.png) [@tiescore](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tiescore)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2013, 12:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/most-liberals-are-hateful-and-nasty-individuals/659635/172 "2013-05-31T12:33:58Z")
I worked the Republican campaign in 2004. After the polls closed I called the head of the local DNC campaign office to congratulate him on a well run campaign. He told me to go F… myself. It was then I realized I am to the left, just a revenue source and not a citizen. My government worker friends feel I need to pay more taxes, the investments I have to make to save for my meager retirement… while they get pensions with annuity values in the multiple millions handed to them on my dime. ---
**Author:** ![Bridget\_Burke](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/7cd45c/32.png) [@Bridget\_Burke](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bridget_Burke)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2013, 12:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/most-liberals-are-hateful-and-nasty-individuals/659635/173 "2013-05-31T12:48:10Z")
> [@tiescore](#): > > I worked the Republican campaign in 2004. After the polls closed I called the head of the local DNC campaign office to congratulate him on a well run campaign. He told me to go F… myself. > > It was then I realized I am to the left, just a revenue source and not a citizen. My government worker friends feel I need to pay more taxes, the investments I have to make to save for my meager retirement… while they get pensions with annuity values in the multiple millions handed to them on my dime. What kind of campaign did _you_ run? I’d have to know before judging the Democrat. Here in Texas, the thought of any Bush in office will drive many of us to rude language… And it’s sad to realize that you made poor financial decisions earlier in life. This bleeding heart liberal is sorry for you–but some folks would just remind you that Actions Have Consequences! ---
**Author:** ![Chimera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/8e8cbc/32.png) [@Chimera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chimera)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2013, 12:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/most-liberals-are-hateful-and-nasty-individuals/659635/174 "2013-05-31T12:55:36Z")
> [@tiescore](#): > > I worked the Republican campaign in 2004. After the polls closed I called the head of the local DNC campaign office to congratulate him on a well run campaign. He told me to go F… myself. > > It was then I realized I am to the left, just a revenue source and not a citizen. My government worker friends feel I need to pay more taxes, the investments I have to make to save for my meager retirement… while they get pensions with annuity values in the multiple millions handed to them on my dime. Translation: One person was a dickweed, therefore I feel justified in smearing everyone on that side as being less than human. :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![Ravenman](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ravenman/32/2929_2.png) [@Ravenman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ravenman)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2013, 1:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/most-liberals-are-hateful-and-nasty-individuals/659635/175 "2013-05-31T13:01:51Z")
> [@tiescore](#): > > I worked the Republican campaign in 2004. After the polls closed I called the head of the local DNC campaign office to congratulate him on a well run campaign. He told me to go F… myself. I’m a 49ers fan. If a Ravens fan had congratulated me and my team on a good Super Bowl right after a crushing loss, I might not be as polite as I should be. That doesn’t mean the Ravens fan should carry a grudge for the next 9 years about how he’s thought of as being less than human by someone else. You did a nice thing but it might have come across as gloating. Cut some slack to someone who had a crappy day. Get over yourself and stop thinking you’re the victim. You got your four more years of a terrible president; isn’t that enough for you? ---
**Author:** ![Acsenray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/acsenray/32/4519_2.png) [@Acsenray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Acsenray)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2013, 1:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/most-liberals-are-hateful-and-nasty-individuals/659635/176 "2013-05-31T13:01:57Z")
Not to mention taking out the entire context of the nasty 2004 campaign. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2013, 1:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/most-liberals-are-hateful-and-nasty-individuals/659635/177 "2013-05-31T13:06:26Z")
> [@tiescore](#): > > I worked the Republican campaign in 2004. After the polls closed I called the head of the local DNC campaign office to congratulate him on a well run campaign. He told me to go F… myself. > > It was then I realized I am to the left, just a revenue source and not a citizen. My government worker friends feel I need to pay more taxes, the investments I have to make to save for my meager retirement… while they get pensions with annuity values in the multiple millions handed to them on my dime. How lucky for you to find the Official Spokesperson For The Left on your very first try! ---
**Author:** ![Ravenman](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ravenman/32/2929_2.png) [@Ravenman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ravenman)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2013, 1:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/most-liberals-are-hateful-and-nasty-individuals/659635/178 "2013-05-31T13:10:38Z")
> [@Acsenray](#): > > Not to mention taking out the entire context of the nasty 2004 campaign. No shit. “Hey, your unpatriotic malingering useless liberal candidate finished just a couple points behind. Way to go!!!” ---
**Author:** ![Acsenray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/acsenray/32/4519_2.png) [@Acsenray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Acsenray)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2013, 1:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/most-liberals-are-hateful-and-nasty-individuals/659635/179 "2013-05-31T13:43:42Z")
> [@tiescore](#): > > I worked the Republican campaign in 2004. After the polls closed I called the head of the local DNC campaign office to congratulate him on a well run campaign.. “Congratulations on running a good campaign so that my side could beat you with one if the nastiest campaigns in recent history.” ---
**Author:** ![Sitnam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/6a8cbe/32.png) [@Sitnam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sitnam)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2013, 2:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/most-liberals-are-hateful-and-nasty-individuals/659635/180 "2013-05-31T14:40:47Z")
> [@Acsenray](#): > > “Congratulations on running a good campaign so that my side could beat you with one if the nastiest campaigns in recent history.” The Rep Primary wasn’t pretty either, so ‘the ends justify the means’ extends to even those candidates with your exact ideology. Shit, that’s right, this thread is about _liberals_ being hateful and nasty individuals. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/most-liberals-are-hateful-and-nasty-individuals/659635.md?page=8) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/most-liberals-are-hateful-and-nasty-individuals/659635.md?page=10)