# Most pro-choicers have it all wrong. **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [July 19, 2006, 2:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/most-pro-choicers-have-it-all-wrong/365118 "2006-07-19T02:50:12Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 6\ **Page:** 26
**Author:** ![Stratocaster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/stratocaster/32/16393_2.png) [@Stratocaster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stratocaster)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2006, 12:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/most-pro-choicers-have-it-all-wrong/365118/501 "2006-07-29T12:04:23Z")
> [@Bryan Ekers](#): > > Pretty much; inside her, attached to her. Seems significant enough to me. > No, I’ve made several good-faith attempts to clarify. I would understand if you don’t _agree_ with my position, but to persistently claim that it’s incomprehensible is too transparently willful. You’re ignoring something along the way, **and I suspect on purpose**. Bolding added. I will no longer indulge this nonsense. Have fun. ---
**Author:** ![monavis](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e0b2c6/32.png) [@monavis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/monavis)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2006, 12:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/most-pro-choicers-have-it-all-wrong/365118/502 "2006-07-29T12:27:47Z")
> [@Stratocaster](#): > > No, it does not imply that. Why would you think so? My thought is; that it is just as bad to have a baby be born and slowly starve to death when you have a very good idea this will happen, preventing it’s conception is the far best choice when possible, many are conceived by rape(according to the media I have watched).Having a morning after pill or abortion in the early part would be far more merciful and Moral than to let it be born and starve and suffer for monthes before it dies. The present administration withheld help because of the fact that ‘maybe’ there would be abortions. They say they value “Life” which to me is the key word. It isn’t persons they are anxious to save just want to have their beliefs pushed on others. When life begins seems to be their creed, yet it is a proven fact that life began eons ago and so the life(human) is like all other life a passed on thing. There is as much life in a sperm as in a person it just hasn’t been used to it’s potential. a woman has to consider her health both mental and Physical, plus the financial needs of her offspring, or the mental trauma of bearing a child and giving it up for adoption. Monavis ---
**Author:** ![Stratocaster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/stratocaster/32/16393_2.png) [@Stratocaster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stratocaster)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2006, 12:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/most-pro-choicers-have-it-all-wrong/365118/503 "2006-07-29T12:50:11Z")
> [@monavis](#): > > My thought is; that it is just as bad to have a baby be born and slowly starve to death when you have a very good idea this will happen, preventing it’s conception is the far best choice when possible, many are conceived by rape(according to the media I have watched).Having a morning after pill or abortion in the early part would be far more merciful and Moral than to let it be born and starve and suffer for monthes before it dies. The present administration withheld help because of the fact that ‘maybe’ there would be abortions. > They say they value “Life” which to me is the key word. It isn’t persons they are anxious to save just want to have their beliefs pushed on others. When life begins seems to be their creed, yet it is a proven fact that life began eons ago and so the life(human) is like all other life a passed on thing. There is as much life in a sperm as in a person it just hasn’t been used to it’s potential. > > a woman has to consider her health both mental and Physical, plus the financial needs of her offspring, or the mental trauma of bearing a child and giving it up for adoption. > > Monavis Are we talking about birth control or abortion? For abortion, I don’t buy the argument, for the same reason I don’t buy it for killing the “born,” though the same argument could be made. I disagree that a sperm and a person are alike in any way essential to assigning rights, which is the key, of course. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2006, 7:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/most-pro-choicers-have-it-all-wrong/365118/504 "2006-07-29T19:27:29Z")
Incidentally, my post #492 suggests I’m claiming credit for raising the crime statistics issue. Much as I’d like to do so, since it very effectively demonstrated the indifference to consequences of several opponents, the issue was first mentioned in this thread by **Least Original User Name Ever** in post #219. I didn’t jump on that bandwagon until #291. ---
**Author:** ![Stratocaster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/stratocaster/32/16393_2.png) [@Stratocaster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stratocaster)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2006, 9:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/most-pro-choicers-have-it-all-wrong/365118/505 "2006-07-29T21:48:57Z")
> [@Bryan Ekers](#): > > Much as I’d like to do so, since it very effectively demonstrated the indifference to consequences of several opponents, the issue was first mentioned in this thread by **Least Original User Name Ever** in post #219. Yes, your clever trap was too much for us. Curse your Jedi mind tricks. :rolleyes: Anyway, thanks for owning up. We’ll withdraw the Nobel nomination immediately. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2006, 11:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/most-pro-choicers-have-it-all-wrong/365118/506 "2006-07-29T23:37:05Z")
> [@Stratocaster](#): > > Yes, your clever trap was too much for us. Curse your Jedi mind tricks. :rolleyes: Hey, if you can build an argument on top of your axiom, I’m not stopping you. I acknowledge your stance on the issue and not demanding you justify it or exaggerated versions of it. I just ask that you expand on it and speculate on what would happen if it were written into law. Alternately, you could keep your beliefs sealed up in a glass jar, isolated from real-world application, if that turns you on. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/most-pro-choicers-have-it-all-wrong/365118.md?page=25)