# Most spectacularly over-the-top perspective on Netanyahu's speech, courtesy of the NY Post **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [March 4, 2015, 11:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/most-spectacularly-over-the-top-perspective-on-netanyahus-speech-courtesy-of-the-ny-post/714231 "2015-03-04T23:09:45Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Donald\_Rump](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/9fc29f/32.png) [@Donald\_Rump](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Donald_Rump)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2015, 11:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/most-spectacularly-over-the-top-perspective-on-netanyahus-speech-courtesy-of-the-ny-post/714231/1 "2015-03-04T23:09:45Z")
So my morning began with text messages from my father-in-law asking if we can trade in Obama for the real leader, Netanyahu; followed by more text messages about how the Democratic congressmen who skipped the speech are not only anti-Semitic, but that they need to “show up and do their job” (because their job clearly demands that they bob obediently up and down in their seats every time some warmongering foreign demagogue comes to sabotage our president’s foreign policy). Followed by the usual stuff about the Democrats being slaves to Dear Leader and how if Lincoln had known Obama was going to be president he would have saved Booth the trouble and killed himself, yadda yadda, etc. and etc. I figured that this perspective of almost hallucinatory disconnection from reality came from the usual source of all that my father-in-law believes about the world, namely the NY Post, but even by their usual standards the writers over there have officially exited the building, the solar system, and the known universe in their distinct take on Netanyahu’s frankly execrable speech. Behold, “[Moses in Congress](http://nypost.com/2015/03/03/moses-in-congress/)”: > [@](#): > > “The ideology of Iran’s revolutionary regime is deeply rooted in militant Islam, and that’s why this regime will always be an enemy of America.” > > The words come from Benjamin Netanyahu. Others have said similar things, but these are more powerful for two reasons: They were delivered inside the US Capitol, and they stand in bracing contrast to a president who speaks weakly of “violent extremism” and “random attacks.” > > … > > That Netanyahu can make a compelling case where Obama cannot — and win enthusiastic cheers from Democrats and Republicans in the process — underscores a sad, simple fact: Israel’s prime minister has a clear-cut and coherent policy. The president of the United States does not. But [John Podhoretz](http://nypost.com/2015/03/03/bibis-grand-slam-boxing-in-obama-on-irans-nukes/) is the one who truly hits the ball out of the park with his extravagant, contrary-to-reality nonsense: > [@](#): > > Netanyahu yesterday laid out, calmly and comprehensively, the reasons the deal is likely to be a bad one — and he had not only an audience of Americans vastly larger than he would’ve had if the president hadn’t had his hissy fit, but also the ear of the audience that matters most in this regard. > > That audience is the United States Senate. > > And his audience heard him. > > … > > Almost from the outset, I thought the speech was a bad political idea — on the grounds that Netanyahu should’ve understood just how enraged the whole plan would make the president, whose hostility to Israel is nearly unprecedented. > > Well, I was wrong. > > I forgot I was talking about Barack Obama here, whose own political smarts extend as far as his own brilliance in getting himself elected and no further. > > The president thought (and I thought) he could use the coming speech to set up a confrontation with Bibi that would make his job of selling the Iran deal easier. > > It might have worked if the speech had been a dud. You know, like Obama’s own State of the Union, delivered on the very same spot six weeks ago. > > But it wasn’t. **It was a triumph — because, unlike Obama, Netanyahu had something of surpassing importance to say, and he said it with force, with strength, with conviction and with grace.** Soft, supple, and thoroughly absorbent - thanks for the laughs, NY Post! ---
**Author:** ![Stringbean](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/d6d6ee/32.png) [@Stringbean](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stringbean)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2015, 11:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/most-spectacularly-over-the-top-perspective-on-netanyahus-speech-courtesy-of-the-ny-post/714231/2 "2015-03-04T23:17:06Z")
Netanyahu gave a good speech and Obama hasn’t done so since early in his first term. Your butthurt is showing. (By the way, those links were calm and reasoned. Most spectacularly over-the-top…not) ---
**Author:** ![Donald\_Rump](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/9fc29f/32.png) [@Donald\_Rump](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Donald_Rump)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2015, 11:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/most-spectacularly-over-the-top-perspective-on-netanyahus-speech-courtesy-of-the-ny-post/714231/3 "2015-03-04T23:51:29Z")
> [@Stringbean](#): > > Netanyahu gave a good speech and Obama hasn’t done so since early in his first term. > > Your butthurt is showing. > > (By the way, those links were calm and reasoned. Most spectacularly over-the-top…not) Hehe, au contraire, haricot vert. Likening Netanyahu to Moses is spectacularly over-the-top. The man is an opportunistic, chronic threat exaggerator who’s been so spectacularly wrong on matters of foreign policy it’s unbelievable that any member of congress should care what he has to say on such topics. Despite his rhetorical skill in delivering the speech–you know, the sort of qualities that right-wingers discount to zero when Barack Obama is the subject–he had the platform of a lifetime and instead offered no realistic alternative to the approach being taken. It was a transparently self-serving political stunt, and the editors of the Post and their readers are but his useful idiots. ---
**Author:** ![Stringbean](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/d6d6ee/32.png) [@Stringbean](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stringbean)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2015, 11:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/most-spectacularly-over-the-top-perspective-on-netanyahus-speech-courtesy-of-the-ny-post/714231/4 "2015-03-04T23:55:43Z")
All true. But it was a great speech, well-delivered, and clear in its intent. A notion foreign to Obama, of “the Islamic State is not Islamic” inanity, who dismissed it 'cause he’s butthurt about Congress not asking his permission. ---
**Author:** ![Shagnasty](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9dc877/32.png) [@Shagnasty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shagnasty)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2015, 11:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/most-spectacularly-over-the-top-perspective-on-netanyahus-speech-courtesy-of-the-ny-post/714231/5 "2015-03-04T23:58:25Z")
I don’t usually take up for the NY Post but I don’t see anything wrong with their comments in this case at all. Most of it is obviously opinion but it isn’t baseless and it is hardly ‘over the top’. ---
**Author:** ![Donald\_Rump](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/9fc29f/32.png) [@Donald\_Rump](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Donald_Rump)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2015, 12:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/most-spectacularly-over-the-top-perspective-on-netanyahus-speech-courtesy-of-the-ny-post/714231/6 "2015-03-05T00:09:17Z")
Likening Netanyahu to Moses: over the top Describing his speech as a triumph and as being of “surpassing importance” when it was a stump speech filled with no viable policy proposal: over the top Describing Obama’s alleged hostility to Israel as unprecedented: over the top (at the very least there’s Eisenhower) In short, lots of over the top nonsense as usual from the Post. ---
**Author:** ![andros](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e480ec/32.png) [@andros](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/andros)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2015, 12:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/most-spectacularly-over-the-top-perspective-on-netanyahus-speech-courtesy-of-the-ny-post/714231/7 "2015-03-05T00:24:17Z")
> [@Stringbean](#): > > But it was a great speech, well-delivered, and clear in its intent. This is very true. Of course, its intent was to marginalize the Obama administration and its foreign policy, foment war with Iran, and win reelection. > [@](#): > > A notion foreign to Obama, Bulshit. > [@](#): > > of “the Islamic State is not Islamic” inanity, Crap. > [@](#): > > who dismissed it 'cause he’s butthurt about Congress not asking his permission. Manure. ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2015, 1:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/most-spectacularly-over-the-top-perspective-on-netanyahus-speech-courtesy-of-the-ny-post/714231/8 "2015-03-05T01:01:25Z")
> [@Stringbean](#): > > butthurt > [@Stringbean](#): > > butthurt > [@Hush up, Lance Strongarm.](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hush-up-lance-strongarm/633651/127): > > butthurt That’s quite a word of the day calendar you got there, Stringbean. ---
**Author:** ![Stringbean](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/d6d6ee/32.png) [@Stringbean](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stringbean)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2015, 2:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/most-spectacularly-over-the-top-perspective-on-netanyahus-speech-courtesy-of-the-ny-post/714231/9 "2015-03-05T02:18:44Z")
Feces. ---
**Author:** ![xenophon41](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/xenophon41/32/253_2.png) [@xenophon41](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/xenophon41)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2015, 2:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/most-spectacularly-over-the-top-perspective-on-netanyahus-speech-courtesy-of-the-ny-post/714231/10 "2015-03-05T02:22:29Z")
> [@Stringbean](#): > > Feces. Brilliantly concise statement of principles. I applaud you sir! ---
**Author:** ![Lumpy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lumpy/32/446_2.png) [@Lumpy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lumpy)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2015, 3:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/most-spectacularly-over-the-top-perspective-on-netanyahus-speech-courtesy-of-the-ny-post/714231/11 "2015-03-05T03:04:45Z")
> [@Donald\_Rump](#): > > some warmongering foreign demagogue When someone has repeatedly declared their hate for you, have repeatedly said they wished you were dead, and have repeatedly said that it would be evil and wrong of them not to kill you the first chance they get, then why wouldn’t you take them at their word? Naively scoffing at the “warmongers” was very fashionable in 1938 too. ---
**Author:** ![andros](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e480ec/32.png) [@andros](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/andros)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2015, 3:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/most-spectacularly-over-the-top-perspective-on-netanyahus-speech-courtesy-of-the-ny-post/714231/12 "2015-03-05T03:08:15Z")
Ya know who else read the New York Post? ---
**Author:** ![Donald\_Rump](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/9fc29f/32.png) [@Donald\_Rump](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Donald_Rump)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2015, 3:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/most-spectacularly-over-the-top-perspective-on-netanyahus-speech-courtesy-of-the-ny-post/714231/13 "2015-03-05T03:23:59Z")
The New York Post… comparing every foreign crisis to 1938 since 1938! ---
**Author:** ![Ibanez](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/a4c791/32.png) [@Ibanez](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ibanez)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2015, 3:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/most-spectacularly-over-the-top-perspective-on-netanyahus-speech-courtesy-of-the-ny-post/714231/14 "2015-03-05T03:32:28Z")
I found his power point slides, [very powerful.](http://www.wnd.com/files/2015/03/weasel-bibi-putin-600.jpg) ---
**Author:** ![BlankSlate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/blankslate/32/80_2.png) [@BlankSlate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BlankSlate)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2015, 6:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/most-spectacularly-over-the-top-perspective-on-netanyahus-speech-courtesy-of-the-ny-post/714231/15 "2015-03-05T06:20:56Z")
Netanyahu needed an election hummer and the treasonous republicans dropped to their knees and deep-throated the shit out of him. American interests are irrelevant to these people. ---
**Author:** ![Ibn\_Warraq](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/e19b73/32.png) [@Ibn\_Warraq](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ibn_Warraq)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2015, 6:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/most-spectacularly-over-the-top-perspective-on-netanyahus-speech-courtesy-of-the-ny-post/714231/16 "2015-03-05T06:57:34Z")
> [@BlankSlate](#): > > Netanyahu needed an election hummer and the treasonous republicans dropped to their knees and deep-throated the shit out of him. American interests are irrelevant to these people. How are the Republicans “treasonous”? Are people who were more supportive of the “Spear of the Nation” than Ronald Reagan “treasonous”? ---
**Author:** ![camille](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/22d042/32.png) [@camille](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/camille)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2015, 8:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/most-spectacularly-over-the-top-perspective-on-netanyahus-speech-courtesy-of-the-ny-post/714231/17 "2015-03-05T08:50:00Z")
> [@Ibn\_Warraq](#): > > How are the Republicans “treasonous”? > > Are people who were more supportive of the “Spear of the Nation” than Ronald Reagan “treasonous”? No, don’t be ridiculous. Going against St. Ronnie was blasphemy. ---
**Author:** ![Merneith](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/57b2e6/32.png) [@Merneith](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Merneith)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2015, 2:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/most-spectacularly-over-the-top-perspective-on-netanyahus-speech-courtesy-of-the-ny-post/714231/18 "2015-03-05T14:46:28Z")
I think the real question for Donald Rump is why hasn’t he blocked his father-in-law’s phone number? ---
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2015, 2:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/most-spectacularly-over-the-top-perspective-on-netanyahus-speech-courtesy-of-the-ny-post/714231/19 "2015-03-05T14:55:54Z")
> [@Ibn\_Warraq](#): > > How are the Republicans “treasonous”? > > Are people who were more supportive of the “Spear of the Nation” than Ronald Reagan “treasonous”? “Treason” is a bit much. How about “sedition?” ---
**Author:** ![Shodan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2015, 3:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/most-spectacularly-over-the-top-perspective-on-netanyahus-speech-courtesy-of-the-ny-post/714231/20 "2015-03-05T15:10:14Z")
Support for Netanyahu and Israel is treason and sedition, but the NY Post is the most over the top perspective you can see. You people never fail to amuse. Regards, Shodan [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/most-spectacularly-over-the-top-perspective-on-netanyahus-speech-courtesy-of-the-ny-post/714231.md?page=2)