# Most vile STAR TREK characters **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [August 17, 2010, 4:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/most-vile-star-trek-characters/550534 "2010-08-17T16:23:41Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![RitterSport](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rittersport/32/6326_2.png) [@RitterSport](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RitterSport)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2010, 8:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/most-vile-star-trek-characters/550534/21 "2010-08-17T20:10:13Z")
> [@Captain\_Amazing](#): > > Second, the people in charge should have known better than to put somebody nicknamed “the Executioner” in charge of a colony in the first place. _snerk_ Jack the Ripper from the TOS was pretty vile. Especially since he stole Winnie the Pooh’s voice to terrorize women. Marla McGivers is pretty bad, though, although she did end up saving Kirk’s life, right? ---
**Author:** ![Skald\_the\_Rhymer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecccb3/32.png) [@Skald\_the\_Rhymer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skald_the_Rhymer)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2010, 8:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/most-vile-star-trek-characters/550534/22 "2010-08-17T20:14:58Z")
> [@RitterSport](#): > > > [@Captain\_Amazing](#): > > > > Second, the people in charge should have known better than to put somebody nicknamed “the Executioner” in charge of a colony in the first place. > > _snerk_ > > Jack the Ripper from the TOS was pretty vile. Especially since he stole Winnie the Pooh’s voice to terrorize women. > > Marla McGivers is pretty bad, though, although she did end up saving Kirk’s life, right? I’ll grant that. She was still a spineless wimp, though, even by the standards of TOS women. Uhura, Chapel–hell, even that blonde chick who fell in love with Apollo – would have all told Khan to go fuck himself. ---
**Author:** ![Andy\_L](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/c67d28/32.png) [@Andy\_L](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Andy_L)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2010, 8:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/most-vile-star-trek-characters/550534/23 "2010-08-17T20:21:44Z")
Mrs. Andy L nominates the captain and crew of the USS Equinox who use torture on an alien to drive their ship (as I recall) ---
**Author:** ![Lobohan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobohan/32/79_2.png) [@Lobohan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobohan)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2010, 8:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/most-vile-star-trek-characters/550534/24 "2010-08-17T20:22:26Z")
> [@Skald\_the\_Rhymer](#): > > > [@Lobohan](#): > > > > I’d like to think Riker would have the sense to leave Tuvix in place. Boiling down two annoying cast members into one kinda cool one is not something you undo. > > Take that back! > > There was NOTHING wrong with Tuvok. Tuvok rocked. > > Also, he was totally doing Kes behind behind Neelix’s back. Till she left. Then, when Seven arrived, he was doing her behind Janeway’s back. And he was doing Janeway behind her own back the entire time. Aside: I wanted Tuvok to have the Vulcan Beatles haircut. There is no reason a dark skinned alien needs to have a fro. > [@](#): > > Black Vulcans are descended from Shaft. _Shut yo’ mouth!_ ---
**Author:** ![Kamino\_Neko](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kamino_neko/32/34_2.png) [@Kamino\_Neko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kamino_Neko)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2010, 8:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/most-vile-star-trek-characters/550534/25 "2010-08-17T20:25:44Z")
> [@RitterSport](#): > > Jack the Ripper from the TOS was pretty vile. Especially since he stole Winnie the Pooh’s voice to terrorize women. Piglet’s voice, not Pooh’s. Tsk. This stuff is important, man! ---
**Author:** ![RitterSport](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rittersport/32/6326_2.png) [@RitterSport](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RitterSport)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2010, 8:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/most-vile-star-trek-characters/550534/26 "2010-08-17T20:28:09Z")
> [@Skald\_the\_Rhymer](#): > > I’ll grant that. She was still a spineless wimp, though, even by the standards of TOS women. Uhura, Chapel–hell, even that blonde chick who fell in love with Apollo – would have all told Khan to go fuck himself. My original post was going to bolster your case and compare her to the chick who fell in love with Apollo, but then I remembered that McGivers also came through in the end, so I left her out. Those folks from outside the galaxy who turn people into lumps of chemicals were pretty casual with crumbling them up, but they also turned around in the end. Jack the Ripper was never redeemed. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2010, 8:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/most-vile-star-trek-characters/550534/27 "2010-08-17T20:30:29Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > > [@Captain\_Amazing](#): > > > > In defense of Kodos the Executioner, first, he was in an untenable situation there. There was only enough food for half of the people on the colony, and so if he didn’t kill the other half (and had the Federation relief force not come earlier than it had supposed to), everyone would have died, so it makes a utilitarian sort of sense. > > This. Do you really let the entire colony die? He made a call. It didn’t turn out well. Bad call… those people are DEAD, Bricker! Do you have any idea what he’s done there?! I’d be willing to exile the “Nagilum” entity (who was going to waste a third of the crew of the Enterprise-D just for the heck of it) from that “Where Silence Has Lease” episode. The Q, too, just for annoying me. ---
**Author:** ![RitterSport](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rittersport/32/6326_2.png) [@RitterSport](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RitterSport)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2010, 8:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/most-vile-star-trek-characters/550534/28 "2010-08-17T20:32:39Z")
> [@Tengu](#): > > > [@RitterSport](#): > > > > Jack the Ripper from the TOS was pretty vile. Especially since he stole Winnie the Pooh’s voice to terrorize women. > > Piglet’s voice, not Pooh’s. Tsk. This stuff is important, man! Well, shut my mouth, you’re right! I knew that Fiedler had a high voice and Pooh had a high voice, so I figured he did that part. Looking at imdb, it looks like maybe Jim Cummings was the main Pooh voice. ---
**Author:** ![Alessan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alessan/32/465_2.png) [@Alessan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alessan)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2010, 8:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/most-vile-star-trek-characters/550534/29 "2010-08-17T20:34:17Z")
> [@Andy\_L](#): > > But the two I find most vile are Archer and Phlox, who find an alien race looking for a cure to a plague - Phlox finds a cure, but Archer and Phlox deliberately misinform the aliens, telling them that the disease is incurable and refuse to aid them in finding some other group that might be able to find a cure (and since there’s no Prime Directive at the time, the guilt falls directly on Archer and Phlox - they can’t blame regulations) That’s the point I stopped watching _Enterprise_. ---
**Author:** ![Skald\_the\_Rhymer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecccb3/32.png) [@Skald\_the\_Rhymer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skald_the_Rhymer)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2010, 8:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/most-vile-star-trek-characters/550534/30 "2010-08-17T20:41:08Z")
> [@Alessan](#): > > > [@Andy\_L](#): > > > > But the two I find most vile are Archer and Phlox, who find an alien race looking for a cure to a plague - Phlox finds a cure, but Archer and Phlox deliberately misinform the aliens, telling them that the disease is incurable and refuse to aid them in finding some other group that might be able to find a cure (and since there’s no Prime Directive at the time, the guilt falls directly on Archer and Phlox - they can’t blame regulations) > > That’s the point I stopped watching _Enterprise_. Was it the incredibly ill-thought morality, the awecsomely bad science, or the lack of Ensign Cutler? ---
**Author:** ![aceplace57](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aceplace57/32/3500_2.png) [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2010, 8:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/most-vile-star-trek-characters/550534/31 "2010-08-17T20:52:29Z")
I make a distinction between random mass murder and cruel psychotics that kill. The Crystalline Entity is a classic mass murderer. I cheered when Dr. Kila Marr shattered the thing with a resonant frequency. > **[Crystalline Entity](https://memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/Crystalline_Entity)** > > A Crystalline Entity (also called a Crystal Entity) was a powerful, spaceborne lifeform that resembled a large snowflake. It could travel at warp speeds and had the ability to consume all life on a planet or starship. The first Crystalline Entity... A single psychotic is Fajo. A selfish prick that collects rare and beautiful items. He poisoned the water supply on Beta Agni II so the Enterprise would purchase hytritium from him. He fakes a shuttle explosion and steals Data. His treatment of Data and his female assistant is beyond cruel. He frags his assistant with a Varon-T disruptor. A weapon banned because of the agony it inflicts. There’s debate whether Data shot Fajo. I think he did. The dude deserved it. Fajo didn’t wipe out planets. But in his own way he was just as bad. > [@](#): > > he Varon-T disruptor is a hand-held directed-energy weapon banned in the Federation due to its vicious nature: the disruptor literally tears the body apart from the inside out, resulting in a relatively slow and excruciating death. Only five were ever produced; four of them were owned by Zibalian trader Kivas Fajo and he slept with one of them under his pillow. Fajo used a Varon-T disruptor to kill Varria when she and Data attempted to escape his ship. > **[Varon-T disruptor](https://memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/Varon-T_disruptor)** > > The Varon-T disruptor was a hand-held directed-energy weapon banned in the Federation due to its vicious nature: the disruptor literally tore the body apart at the molecular level from the inside out, resulting in a relatively slow and excruciating... ---
**Author:** ![The\_Man\_In\_Black](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/bcef8e/32.png) [@The\_Man\_In\_Black](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Man_In_Black)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2010, 8:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/most-vile-star-trek-characters/550534/32 "2010-08-17T20:57:44Z")
> [@aceplace57](#): > > There’s debate whether Data shot Fajo. I think he did. The dude deserved it. Fajo didn’t wipe out planets. But in his own way he was just as bad. I do not get the debate. Data said he can not allow it to continue, and aimed the phaser (or whatever it was. been a long time for me) at him. I see no doubt that he fired. ---
**Author:** ![dzeiger](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/46a35a/32.png) [@dzeiger](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dzeiger)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2010, 8:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/most-vile-star-trek-characters/550534/33 "2010-08-17T20:59:41Z")
The Organians. Paternalistic bastards who let the two sides get to the point of war and then just yanked away the weapons without doing much of anything to alleviate the tensions other than “someone more powerful won’t let you fight.” Then they create this treaty that says that disputed planets will go to whichever side can develop the planet more efficiently. Note that there is no option for self-determination of the natives of any such planets. “What’s that? You want to join the Federation or remain neutral? Too bad, the Klingons have shown they can do a better job exploiting your resources, so you’re part of the Klingon Empire now.” ---
**Author:** ![aceplace57](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aceplace57/32/3500_2.png) [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2010, 9:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/most-vile-star-trek-characters/550534/34 "2010-08-17T21:03:12Z")
Data transported just as he fired. The transporter neutralized the weapon discharge. Rikker asks Data about it and Data plays all innocent. Must of been a tech glitch. Nope. Data aimed and pulled the trigger. He just didn’t want to admit it. > [@](#): > > I do not get the debate. Data said he can not allow it to continue, and aimed the phaser (or whatever it was. been a long time for me) at him. I see no doubt that he fired. > Reply With Quote ---
**Author:** ![Kent\_Clark](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kent_clark/32/105_2.png) [@Kent\_Clark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kent_Clark)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2010, 9:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/most-vile-star-trek-characters/550534/35 "2010-08-17T21:08:47Z")
How about Armus, the tar pool of pure evil in _TNG_ who killed Tasha Yar? ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2010, 9:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/most-vile-star-trek-characters/550534/36 "2010-08-17T21:14:03Z")
> [@kunilou](#): > > How about Armus, the tar pool of pure evil in _TNG_ who killed Tasha Yar? He gets tortured by having to watch Denise Crosby performances for eternity. Oh, no! I went after the actor in contravention of the OP! ---
**Author:** ![Captain\_Amazing](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/6de8d8/32.png) [@Captain\_Amazing](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Captain_Amazing)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2010, 9:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/most-vile-star-trek-characters/550534/37 "2010-08-17T21:17:23Z")
Oh, also in Kodos’s defense, apparently, according to a screen capture, one of the people killed was Hoshi Saito, from the show Enterprise, and anyone who’s responsible for the death of an _Enterprise_ character can’t be all bad. ---
**Author:** ![Skald\_the\_Rhymer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecccb3/32.png) [@Skald\_the\_Rhymer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skald_the_Rhymer)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2010, 9:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/most-vile-star-trek-characters/550534/38 "2010-08-17T21:25:57Z")
> [@Captain\_Amazing](#): > > Oh, also in Kodos’s defense, apparently, according to a screen capture, one of the people killed was Hoshi Saito, from the show Enterprise, and anyone who’s responsible for the death of an _Enterprise_ character can’t be all bad. Take that back as well! Hoshi was too pretty to die. ---
**Author:** ![AncientHumanoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ancienthumanoid/32/278_2.png) [@AncientHumanoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AncientHumanoid)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2010, 9:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/most-vile-star-trek-characters/550534/39 "2010-08-17T21:29:39Z")
Porthos. Peed on the alien guy’s stuff. ---
**Author:** ![AncientHumanoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ancienthumanoid/32/278_2.png) [@AncientHumanoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AncientHumanoid)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2010, 9:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/most-vile-star-trek-characters/550534/40 "2010-08-17T21:32:39Z")
> [@silenus](#): > > Soran, if for no other reason than that he was also STUPID! All he had to do was fly a shuttle into the Nexus. He didn’t have to do all the potential civilization killing to get his fix. > > And the members of the Selection Board that made Janeway a Captain. The shuttle option carried the risk of the shuttle being destroyed (with you breathing vacuum or being torn asunder) before you got to touch the Nexus. Standing on a big, huge, atmosphere holding planet seems totally logical to me. Plus, Soran had a great haircut. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/most-vile-star-trek-characters/550534.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/most-vile-star-trek-characters/550534.md?page=3)