# Most vile STAR TREK characters **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [August 17, 2010, 4:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/most-vile-star-trek-characters/550534 "2010-08-17T16:23:41Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![dhkendall](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a9adbd/32.png) [@dhkendall](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dhkendall)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2010, 1:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/most-vile-star-trek-characters/550534/61 "2010-08-18T01:29:25Z")
> [@aceplace57](#): > > Data transported just as he fired. The transporter neutralized the weapon discharge. Rikker asks Data about it and Data plays all innocent. Must of been a tech glitch. > > Nope. Data aimed and pulled the trigger. He just didn’t want to admit it. > > > [@](#): > > > > I do not get the debate. Data said he can not allow it to continue, and aimed the phaser (or whatever it was. been a long time for me) at him. I see no doubt that he fired. > > Reply With Quote > [@aceplace57](#): > > There’s debate whether Data shot Fajo. What is this, the “Han shot first” of Star Trek??? > [@panache45](#): > > Hey, there’s a difference between vile and evil. > > I’ve gotta go with those two slugs that had been Janeway and Paris . . . that mated with each other. Ewwwwwww, that is vile. Well, yeah, bonus points to one of the only (if not _the_ only) episode that has later been definitely declared not to be considered canon later. You know the episode sucks giant space donkey balls when … ---
**Author:** ![Procyon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/ac91a4/32.png) [@Procyon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Procyon)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2010, 1:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/most-vile-star-trek-characters/550534/62 "2010-08-18T01:43:50Z")
Of all the vile villains on the Original Series, the ones whose vileness actually aroused my anger (really, I got angry at a show) were the titular pseudo-Greeks from _Plato’s Stepchildren_. Man did I hate those guys. Kirk and friends show up to help cure the Greeks’ leader’s illness and he spends the rest of the episode tormenting and humiliating the helpless crew. He forces Kirk to slap himself, forces Spock to fight Kirk, makes everyone dance for him, removes Spock’s emotional control (!) and continues the apparently life-long torture of a dwarf who happened to be born without telekinetic potential. The whole thing is so over the top vile (not really evil per se, I mean, these guys aren’t genocidal or anything) that by the end of it all I really, really wanted Kirk to phaser blast and/or karate chop these lunatics with extreme prejudice. Just completely wreck them. And that’s what the dwarf _wants_ to do, but for some reason Kirk convinces him he’ll be “just like them” if he carves up their leader with a knife. I guess he has a point, but damn if I didn’t want to see those guys get what they gave. ---
**Author:** ![antonio107](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/7ea924/32.png) [@antonio107](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/antonio107)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2010, 1:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/most-vile-star-trek-characters/550534/63 "2010-08-18T01:47:15Z")
> [@Skald\_the\_Rhymer](#): > > > [@Alessan](#): > > > > That’s the point I stopped watching _Enterprise_. > > Was it the incredibly ill-thought morality, the awecsomely bad science, or the lack of Ensign Cutler? I still watched the series, but I haaaaated that episode. If I remember right, their justification was that the subservient race on that planet was “evolving towards greater intelligence” or some stupid teleological crap like that. Really lets you know Star Trek is Space Opera and not science fiction. Fly far enough forward in time and you’ll poké-evolve into an iguana! ---
**Author:** ![RitterSport](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rittersport/32/6326_2.png) [@RitterSport](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RitterSport)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2010, 2:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/most-vile-star-trek-characters/550534/64 "2010-08-18T02:57:26Z")
> [@Face\_Intentionally\_Left\_Blank](#): > > Nero, from the 2009 reboot. He destroyed like 50+ spaceships full of ppl, destroyed Vulcan (killing billions) and tried to destroy Earth, all because he was having a 25-year snit-fit. He COULD have used his trip back in time to save his planet, but decided to kill billions instead. This isn’t my thread to declare winners or anything, but this is a Win in my book. He killed Spock’s mom and Kirk’s dad, fer cryin’ out loud! ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2010, 3:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/most-vile-star-trek-characters/550534/65 "2010-08-18T03:12:05Z")
> [@Chimera](#): > > “I’ve done far worse than kill you, Admiral. I’ve hurt you. And I wish to go on hurting you. I shall leave you as you left me, as you left her; marooned for all eternity in the center of a dead planet… buried alive! Buried alive…!” buried alive…buried alive, already! ---
**Author:** ![Dallas\_Jones](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dallas_jones/32/3277_2.png) [@Dallas\_Jones](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dallas_Jones)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2010, 3:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/most-vile-star-trek-characters/550534/66 "2010-08-18T03:58:25Z")
> [@Chimera](#): > > “I’ve done far worse than kill you, Admiral. I’ve hurt you. And I wish to go on hurting you. I shall leave you as you left me, as you left her; marooned for all eternity in the center of a dead planet… buried alive! Buried alive…!” > > Cohen!!! It’s the rich, Corinthian leather in the 1975 Chyrsler Cordova that \*drove \*him to this end. [![](https://i.ytimg.com/vi/vIL3fbGbU2o/hqdefault.jpg "1975 Chrysler Cordoba") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vIL3fbGbU2o) ---
**Author:** ![whiterabbit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/cab0a1/32.png) [@whiterabbit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/whiterabbit)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2010, 4:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/most-vile-star-trek-characters/550534/67 "2010-08-18T04:26:18Z")
There are books with a (weak) explanation for the surfer dudes with Khan. Something to do with the genetic tinkering that resulted in the original group having odd effects when they had kids, turning said kids into blond surfer dudes. They had to explain it somehow, I guess. I’ll give McGivers one thing – _damn that man was hot!__fanning self_ Also creepily manipulative, but…wow. She was still an idiot. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Tooth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/c67d28/32.png) [@The\_Tooth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Tooth)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2010, 4:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/most-vile-star-trek-characters/550534/68 "2010-08-18T04:35:09Z")
> [@Captain\_Amazing](#): > > Second, the people in charge should have known better than to put somebody nicknamed “the Executioner” in charge of a colony in the first place. “I don’t understand it! He was a perfectly respectable Grand Vizier.” ---
**Author:** ![FordTaurusSHO94](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/f07891/32.png) [@FordTaurusSHO94](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FordTaurusSHO94)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2010, 4:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/most-vile-star-trek-characters/550534/69 "2010-08-18T04:57:59Z")
I always though Khan’s group looked like they should be circling a desert bar with Broncos, dirt bikes, and dune buggy’s. The most vile characters are any TNG-era Admirals. Were there any that weren’t crooked? ---
**Author:** ![antonio107](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/7ea924/32.png) [@antonio107](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/antonio107)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2010, 5:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/most-vile-star-trek-characters/550534/70 "2010-08-18T05:33:20Z")
> [@FordTaurusSHO94](#): > > I always though Khan’s group looked like they should be circling a desert bar with Broncos, dirt bikes, and dune buggy’s. > > The most vile characters are any TNG-era Admirals. Were there any that weren’t crooked? There was that one that told Picard about the conspiracy at Star Fleet Command with the neck worms, but then he died. So…yeah, no. All evil. ---
**Author:** ![SciFiSam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/47e85d/32.png) [@SciFiSam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SciFiSam)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2010, 7:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/most-vile-star-trek-characters/550534/71 "2010-08-18T07:51:35Z")
From the POV of those in the Delta Quadrant, it’s probably Janeway. Right now on TV there’s an episode where a Delta Quadrant alien kidnaps her and Seven because a treaty Janeway made with the Borg lead to his entire civilisations being destroyed - billions of people on several planets being killed or assimilated. Janeway isn’t even the slightest bit remorseful. ---
**Author:** ![Alessan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alessan/32/465_2.png) [@Alessan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alessan)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2010, 12:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/most-vile-star-trek-characters/550534/72 "2010-08-18T12:03:03Z")
> [@Skald\_the\_Rhymer](#): > > > [@Alessan](#): > > > > That’s the point I stopped watching _Enterprise_. > > Was it the incredibly ill-thought morality, the awecsomely bad science, or the lack of Ensign Cutler? I don’t really remember Ensign Cutler (the series wasn’t making that much of an impact on me even before the episode in question), so I’ll have to say the other two, particularly the first. Bad science is the bread and butter of Trek, after all; bad morality, particularly self-righteously bad morality, is much harder to accept. ---
**Author:** ![BMalion](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/e274bd/32.png) [@BMalion](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BMalion)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2010, 12:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/most-vile-star-trek-characters/550534/73 "2010-08-18T12:16:48Z")
> [@Andy\_L](#): > > The Starfleet officers who betrayed their oaths to a) become “Roman” aristocrats (“Bread and Circuses”, 2) have a shot at extended life (“The Omega Glory”) are pretty vile. All the evil versions of Star Trek characters are pretty bad too, but evil Kirk stands out. And I’ll add Lord Garth (though he was insane). … _ **LORD** _ Garth! ---
**Author:** ![Mr.Kobayashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4af34b/32.png) [@Mr.Kobayashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr.Kobayashi)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2010, 2:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/most-vile-star-trek-characters/550534/74 "2010-08-18T14:07:11Z")
> [@silenus](#): > > Jean-Luc Picard, for failing to wipe out the Borg when he had the chance. Genocide, schmenocide…kill 'em all! To be fair that was mostly Crusher’s fault. Earlier JLP shouts that “It’s not a person, damn it, it’s a Borg!”. So every single person assimilated after that has a woman who screws ghosts to blame. Oh, and I second Neelix the shithead. ‘Chief’ morale officer my ass. ---
**Author:** ![Skald\_the\_Rhymer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecccb3/32.png) [@Skald\_the\_Rhymer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skald_the_Rhymer)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2010, 3:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/most-vile-star-trek-characters/550534/75 "2010-08-18T15:09:19Z")
> [@panache45](#): > > Hey, there’s a difference between vile and evil. > > I’ve gotta go with those two slugs that had been Janeway and Paris . . . that mated with each other. Ewwwwwww, that is vile. Slug-Janeway was, of course, repellent, on account of being a slug. Actual-Janeway was kinda hot. ---
**Author:** ![Skald\_the\_Rhymer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecccb3/32.png) [@Skald\_the\_Rhymer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skald_the_Rhymer)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2010, 3:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/most-vile-star-trek-characters/550534/76 "2010-08-18T15:15:56Z")
> [@Alessan](#): > > > [@Skald\_the\_Rhymer](#): > > > > Was it the incredibly ill-thought morality, the awecsomely bad science, or the lack of Ensign Cutler? > > I don’t really remember Ensign Cutler (the series wasn’t making that much of an impact on me even before the episode in question), so I’ll have to say the other two, particularly the first. Bad science is the bread and butter of Trek, after all; bad morality, particularly self-righteously bad morality, is much harder to accept. I wonder if it wasn’t a sneak attackon the theory of evolution? The whole episode propounded the idea that persons who believe in evolution will, because of that belief, be willing to commit atrocities. ---
**Author:** ![Mollie\_Magill](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mollie_magill/32/20882_2.png) [@Mollie\_Magill](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mollie_Magill)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2010, 5:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/most-vile-star-trek-characters/550534/77 "2010-08-18T17:26:06Z")
I’ll have to vote Nero. Countless billions killed because he had a bad day. > [@Skald\_the\_Rhymer](#): > > There was NOTHING wrong with Tuvok. Tuvok rocked. > > Also, he was totally doing Kes behind behind Neelix’s back. Till she left. Then, when Seven arrived, he was doing her behind Janeway’s back. And he was doing Janeway behind her own back the entire time. > > Black Vulcans are descended from Shaft. Tuvok is one logical motherf- ---
**Author:** ![Skald\_the\_Rhymer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecccb3/32.png) [@Skald\_the\_Rhymer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skald_the_Rhymer)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2010, 5:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/most-vile-star-trek-characters/550534/78 "2010-08-18T17:29:50Z")
> [@Mollie\_Magill](#): > > I’ll have to vote Nero. Countless billions killed because he had a bad day. > > > [@Skald\_the\_Rhymer](#): > > > > There was NOTHING wrong with Tuvok. Tuvok rocked. > > > > Also, he was totally doing Kes behind behind Neelix’s back. Till she left. Then, when Seven arrived, he was doing her behind Janeway’s back. And he was doing Janeway behind her own back the entire time. > > > > Black Vulcans are descended from Shaft. > > Tuvok is one logical motherf- I’m not going to say it, so you can keep waiting. ---
**Author:** ![Biffy\_the\_Elephant\_Shrew](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/e47c2d/32.png) [@Biffy\_the\_Elephant\_Shrew](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biffy_the_Elephant_Shrew)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2010, 6:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/most-vile-star-trek-characters/550534/79 "2010-08-18T18:47:27Z")
> [@acsenray](#): > > This one drives me crazy: it’s Khan not Kahn. Thats not a small difference. He’s Indian, not Jewish “In Levittown did Irving Kahn A lovely Cape Cod house decree…” ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2010, 7:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/most-vile-star-trek-characters/550534/80 "2010-08-18T19:06:31Z")
> [@Biffy\_the\_Elephant\_Shrew](#): > > “In Levittown did Irving Kahn > A lovely Cape Cod house decree…” …and even Sam Mcgee… Ah, Mad Magazine… [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/most-vile-star-trek-characters/550534.md?page=3) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/most-vile-star-trek-characters/550534.md?page=5)