# Most vile STAR TREK characters **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [August 17, 2010, 4:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/most-vile-star-trek-characters/550534 "2010-08-17T16:23:41Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 7
**Author:** ![BMalion](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/e274bd/32.png) [@BMalion](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BMalion)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2010, 4:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/most-vile-star-trek-characters/550534/121 "2010-08-20T16:21:45Z")
> [@Skald\_the\_Rhymer](#): > > > [@BMalion](#): > > > > and he’s been drinking. > > Which distinguishes him from Montgomery “I am a 60s ad exec” Scott how, exactly? 😕 ---
**Author:** ![Skald\_the\_Rhymer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecccb3/32.png) [@Skald\_the\_Rhymer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skald_the_Rhymer)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2010, 4:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/most-vile-star-trek-characters/550534/122 "2010-08-20T16:24:16Z")
> [@BMalion](#): > > > [@Skald\_the\_Rhymer](#): > > > > Which distinguishes him from Montgomery “I am a 60s ad exec” Scott how, exactly? > > 😕 Scotty drank like a fish, just like the (male) characters on MAD MEN. He once saved the Enterprise by drinking an alien into submission. I’ve always assumed he was on his seventh or eighth cloned liver by the time of Star Trek II. ---
**Author:** ![Darth\_Panda](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ee7513/32.png) [@Darth\_Panda](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Darth_Panda)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2010, 4:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/most-vile-star-trek-characters/550534/123 "2010-08-20T16:52:23Z")
> [@kunilou](#): > > How about Armus, the tar pool of pure evil in _TNG_ who killed Tasha Yar? How about Tasha Yar, for being the suck? ---
**Author:** ![Acsenray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/acsenray/32/4519_2.png) [@Acsenray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Acsenray)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2010, 5:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/most-vile-star-trek-characters/550534/124 "2010-08-20T17:05:11Z")
> [@Skald\_the\_Rhymer](#): > > > [@BMalion](#): > > > > 😕 > > Scotty drank like a fish, just like the (male) characters on MAD MEN. He once saved the Enterprise by drinking an alien into submission. I’ve always assumed he was on his seventh or eighth cloned liver by the time of Star Trek II. He was shown indulging in drink on that one occasion, and he outlasted the alien only long enough to use the intercom before passing out. That’s not sufficient evidence to conclude that he was in the habit of overindulging, and certainly not that he drank on the job like they do on _Mad Men_. ---
**Author:** ![antonio107](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/7ea924/32.png) [@antonio107](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/antonio107)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2010, 5:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/most-vile-star-trek-characters/550534/125 "2010-08-20T17:11:45Z")
> [@FordTaurusSHO94](#): > > After Nemesis, I was hoping to see how the Romulans would act after being saved by The Federation. Instead, they were all killed. I guess JJ Abrams might be the most vile person in the history of film and television. Fixed. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Skald\_the\_Rhymer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecccb3/32.png) [@Skald\_the\_Rhymer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skald_the_Rhymer)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2010, 5:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/most-vile-star-trek-characters/550534/126 "2010-08-20T17:11:52Z")
> [@acsenray](#): > > > [@Skald\_the\_Rhymer](#): > > > > Scotty drank like a fish, just like the (male) characters on MAD MEN. He once saved the Enterprise by drinking an alien into submission. I’ve always assumed he was on his seventh or eighth cloned liver by the time of Star Trek II. > > He was shown indulging in drink on that one occasion, and he outlasted the alien only long enough to use the intercom before passing out. That’s not sufficient evidence to conclude that he was in the habit of overindulging, and certainly not that he drank on the job like they do on _Mad Men_. This is what happens when I don’t use smilies. Learn from my mistake, children! I do recall an episode in which McCoy devised some antidote to the dread disease afflicting the crew, gave it to Kirk & Scott, and mentioned that it had to be diluted in either water or alcohol to be drunk. Scott took a sip and asked McCoy how it went with Scotch; when McCoy replied that he had no idea, Scott immediately left the room with the antidote, saying “I’ll let you know!” ---
**Author:** ![friedo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/8edcca/32.png) [@friedo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/friedo)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2010, 6:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/most-vile-star-trek-characters/550534/127 "2010-08-20T18:10:59Z")
> [@Skald\_the\_Rhymer](#): > > > [@friedo](#): > > > > Go suck an egg, pallie. Vic is the bee’s knees. > > I too like Vic Fontaine, though I didn’t care for the episode in which the the crew was trying to save his fictional casino. That was one of the best ones! Classic heist movie, Star Trek style. The one I thought was super-lame is when Vic becomes Nog’s therapist after he gets all sulky when his leg is blown off. ---
**Author:** ![antonio107](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/7ea924/32.png) [@antonio107](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/antonio107)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2010, 7:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/most-vile-star-trek-characters/550534/128 "2010-08-20T19:50:35Z")
I’m watching DS9 right now, and I would like to add Dr. Bashir’s Mu-tards to the list of characters I despise. Yeah, I get it, being augmented turns you into rain man. But their predictions about the demise of the Federation were wrong, so they clearly had much worse foresight than they thought. And on top of that, what was the deal with the woman? I had no idea that being genetically augmented turns you into a huge gaping slut. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![FordTaurusSHO94](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/f07891/32.png) [@FordTaurusSHO94](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FordTaurusSHO94)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2010, 8:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/most-vile-star-trek-characters/550534/129 "2010-08-20T20:09:52Z")
> [@Skald\_the\_Rhymer](#): > > > [@acsenray](#): > > > > He was shown indulging in drink on that one occasion, and he outlasted the alien only long enough to use the intercom before passing out. That’s not sufficient evidence to conclude that he was in the habit of overindulging, and certainly not that he drank on the job like they do on _Mad Men_. > > This is what happens when I don’t use smilies. Learn from my mistake, children! > > I do recall an episode in which McCoy devised some antidote to the dread disease afflicting the crew, gave it to Kirk & Scott, and mentioned that it had to be diluted in either water or alcohol to be drunk. Scott took a sip and asked McCoy how it went with Scotch; when McCoy replied that he had no idea, Scott immediately left the room with the antidote, saying “I’ll let you know!” He also had a pretty good hangover in Relics after getting into Guinan’s special stash. I watched Genesis for the first time last night and actually jumped at a scene. I’ve never had a Star Trek make me jump, so Barclay/Spider-Man is on the vile list. ---
**Author:** ![Icerigger](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/icerigger/32/432_2.png) [@Icerigger](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Icerigger)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2010, 11:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/most-vile-star-trek-characters/550534/130 "2010-08-20T23:48:52Z")
> [@FordTaurusSHO94](#): > > I always thought Tomalak was a great enemy. The Defector just came on tv and I watched it. I wouldn’t call him the most vile, but he was always as shady as can be, making him a great Romulan. Too bad he disappeared about halfway through the series. I believe he took another job at a space station somewhere in neutral space.😉 ---
**Author:** ![Uosdwis\_R.Dewoh](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/9e8a1a/32.png) [@Uosdwis\_R.Dewoh](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Uosdwis_R.Dewoh)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2010, 12:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/most-vile-star-trek-characters/550534/131 "2010-08-21T00:14:45Z")
> [@friedo](#): > > > [@Skald\_the\_Rhymer](#): > > > > I too like Vic Fontaine, though I didn’t care for the episode in which the the crew was trying to save his fictional casino. > > That was one of the best ones! Classic heist movie, Star Trek style. I thought Sisko’s objections to the heist and the casino were weird. Basically he objected to the program because it was set in the 1960s and black people weren’t allowed in the casinos at that time. Dude, the 1960s were over 400 years ago. Get over it. Same thing in that TNG episode when the people of a Native-American settlement were mad at Picard because of something his forefather did to them. That was 700 years ago! Picard was all grovelling and apologetic when he should have told them to go fuck themselves. ---
**Author:** ![Chimera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/8e8cbc/32.png) [@Chimera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chimera)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2010, 12:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/most-vile-star-trek-characters/550534/132 "2010-08-21T00:20:01Z")
> [@Uosdwis\_R.Dewoh](#): > > Same thing in that TNG episode when the people of a Native-American settlement were mad at Picard because of something his forefather did to them. That was 700 years ago! Picard was all grovelling and apologetic when he should have told them to go fuck themselves. Dude, there are still people in the world feuding over shit that happened a thousand years ago. Hell, even in this country we have people playing at being steamed over something that ended 155 years ago. ---
**Author:** ![Skald\_the\_Rhymer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecccb3/32.png) [@Skald\_the\_Rhymer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skald_the_Rhymer)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2010, 12:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/most-vile-star-trek-characters/550534/133 "2010-08-21T00:24:33Z")
> [@Uosdwis\_R.Dewoh](#): > > > [@friedo](#): > > > > That was one of the best ones! Classic heist movie, Star Trek style. > > I thought Sisko’s objections to the heist and the casino were weird. Basically he objected to the program because it was set in the 1960s and black people weren’t allowed in the casinos at that time. Dude, the 1960s were over 400 years ago. Get over it. I don’t remember the episode well, so I’ll comment but little. Sisko’s objections only seemed odd because it was Star Trek, and he was departing from the usual _Earth is paradise_ bit. I don’t think Uhura, say, would have had any objection; but then, Uhura was not American in any sense, so she might not have considered it part of her history. I don’t think they ever specified Sisko’s girlfriend’s background, but if she was from, say, Ireland, she might not have gotten it either. But Sisko was from New Orleans, and US history may have been more real to him than it would have to either of those two. I wouldn’t participate in a Civil War re-enactment. Sisko may have had a similar issue. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_Q](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/898d66/32.png) [@Johnny\_Q](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_Q)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2010, 12:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/most-vile-star-trek-characters/550534/134 "2010-08-21T00:25:56Z")
> [@acsenray](#): > > This one drives me crazy: it’s Khan not Kahn. Thats not a small difference. He’s Indian, not Jewish That’s funny, I thought he was Mexican. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2010, 12:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/most-vile-star-trek-characters/550534/135 "2010-08-21T00:40:22Z")
> [@Skald\_the\_Rhymer](#): > > Sisko’s objections only seemed odd because it was Star Trek, and he was departing from the usual _Earth is paradise_ bit. He bitches at length once that “On Earth, it is a Paradise! Hear, it is” I forget the quite, something like, “A Hellhole, cesspool of the universe, armpit of the Quadrant!” Dark, bad, evil is what DS9 did best. ---
**Author:** ![Andy\_L](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/c67d28/32.png) [@Andy\_L](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Andy_L)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2010, 12:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/most-vile-star-trek-characters/550534/136 "2010-08-21T00:51:04Z")
> [@Uosdwis\_R.Dewoh](#): > > > [@friedo](#): > > > > That was one of the best ones! Classic heist movie, Star Trek style. > > I thought Sisko’s objections to the heist and the casino were weird. Basically he objected to the program because it was set in the 1960s and black people weren’t allowed in the casinos at that time. Dude, the 1960s were over 400 years ago. Get over it. I thought he was upset because it was a lie to show the 1960s as an era of racial equality. Even though I’m not a Native American, it would be annoying to play an interactive game that showed Pizarro and his ilk palling around with the Incans and Mayans, and the Spanish priests taking care to preserve and honor the native religious documents. Sisko’s reaction doesn’t seem all that unreasonable - he had no problem with anyone else participating in the casino heist, he was just reluctant to do so himself. ---
**Author:** ![Captain\_Amazing](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/6de8d8/32.png) [@Captain\_Amazing](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Captain_Amazing)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2010, 12:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/most-vile-star-trek-characters/550534/137 "2010-08-21T00:54:44Z")
> [@Skald\_the\_Rhymer](#): > > I wouldn’t participate in a Civil War re-enactment. Sisko may have had a similar issue. Here’s the actual conversation between him and his girlfriend about it: > [@](#): > > SISKO: Kas, I can’t believe you’re involved in this… the whole thing is ridiculous. > > KASIDY: I guess that means you’re not going to wish me luck. > > SISKO: And you’re telling me that virtually my entire senior staff is part of this nonsense? > > KASIDY: You’re supposed to help your friends when they’re in trouble. And Vic – hologram or not – is in trouble. Not that I’d expect you to care. > > SISKO: Look… this is not about Vic Fontaine. > > KASIDY: Then what’s your problem? > > SISKO: You want to know? I’ll tell you. It’s Las Vegas, nineteen sixty-two! That’s my problem. In nineteen sixty-two, brown people weren’t made to feel very welcome there. Oh, sure they could be performers or janitors, but customers? Never. > > KASIDY: Maybe it was like that in the real Vegas, but that’s not how it is at Vic’s. I’ve never felt uncomfortable there – and neither has Jake. > > SISKO: But don’t you see, that’s the lie. In nineteen sixty-two, the Civil Rights movement was still in its infancy. It wasn’t an easy time for our people and I don’t want to pretend that it was. I’ve got to say, I sort of understand his point. And he doesn’t have a problem with other people going there. He just doesn’t want to be a part of it himself. ---
**Author:** ![Captain\_Amazing](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/6de8d8/32.png) [@Captain\_Amazing](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Captain_Amazing)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2010, 1:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/most-vile-star-trek-characters/550534/138 "2010-08-21T01:02:01Z")
To finish it with her answer: > [@](#): > > KASIDY: Baby – I know Vic’s isn’t a totally accurate representation of how things were. But it isn’t meant to be. It shows the way things could’ve been. The way they should’ve been. > > SISKO: We can’t ignore the truth about the past. > > KASIDY: Going to Vic’s isn’t going to make us forget who we are or where we came from. What it does is remind us that we’re no longer bound by any limitations…except the ones we impose on ourselves. I see her point too. That’s one of the things I liked about DS9. People actually could disagree, and both of them would have reasonable positions. ---
**Author:** ![Peter\_Morris](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/peter_morris/32/359_2.png) [@Peter\_Morris](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Peter_Morris)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2010, 2:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/most-vile-star-trek-characters/550534/139 "2010-08-21T02:08:43Z")
> [@Uosdwis\_R.Dewoh](#): > > Same thing in that TNG episode when the people of a Native-American settlement were mad at Picard because of something his forefather did to them. I don’t recall that one. Which episode was it? Seems unlikely anyway, Picard’s forefathers lived in France. His brother still did. I don’t think they had any interaction with Native Americans. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2010, 2:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/most-vile-star-trek-characters/550534/140 "2010-08-21T02:15:53Z")
> [@Peter\_Morris](#): > > Seems unlikely anyway, Picard’s forefathers lived in France. His brother still did. I don’t think they had any interaction with Native Americans. The War of 1812 comes to mind. _The Deerslayer,_ and all that. 🙂 [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/most-vile-star-trek-characters/550534.md?page=6) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/most-vile-star-trek-characters/550534.md?page=8)