# Most Woman Regret Abortions **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [August 18, 2003, 2:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/most-woman-regret-abortions/195887 "2003-08-18T02:52:10Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![kputt](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/f475e1/32.png) [@kputt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kputt)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2003, 4:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/most-woman-regret-abortions/195887/41 "2003-08-19T16:50:25Z")
IMO, Abortion is MURDER and you should go to jail for it. Sorry. ---
**Author:** ![JThunder](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/e95f7d/32.png) [@JThunder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JThunder)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2003, 4:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/most-woman-regret-abortions/195887/42 "2003-08-19T16:56:28Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by kambuckta \* > \*\*And that is why I question the appropriateness of rabid Pro-Lifers offering so-called ‘counselling’. > > “Let’s turn a bit of self-doubt into some major self-loathing shall we folks? Let’s create some serious depression and make it even MORE difficult for this woman to cope with her life, now that she is a **BABYKILLER** and all. She has to be made aware of the error, nay SIN, of her evil ways. She is a murderer, but we’re going to help her through her time of turmoil”. > Bwahahahahahahaha. :rolleyes: \*\* You have just made a very serious accusation regarding these pro-life counselors. Can you DEMONSTRATE that these organizations do pejoratively denounce post-abortive women as “babykillers,” and that their objective is to “create some serious depression”? Can you PROVE that this is indeed the mindset which they adopt as they attempt to counsel these women? I’ve worked with a great many of these organizations over the past 12 years. Many of their counselors are _themselves_ post-abortive, and they most certainly do not act as you described. Of course, it’s much easier to denounce pro-lifers by painting them with such a caricature. It’s a handy way to denounce one’s opponents without being saddled with the burdens of fairness and accuracy. ---
**Author:** ![wonky](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wonky/32/393_2.png) [@wonky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wonky)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2003, 4:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/most-woman-regret-abortions/195887/43 "2003-08-19T16:56:34Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by kputt \* > \*\*IMO, Abortion is MURDER and you should go to jail for it. Sorry. \*\* That’s nice. But the law disagrees, many (most? I’m unsure) people disagree, and the nature of abortion has nothing to do with the OP. Julie ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2003, 5:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/most-woman-regret-abortions/195887/44 "2003-08-19T17:00:56Z")
I would think it would be more regret of having to be in that situation at all. I also wonder if any depression could be hormonal, or similiar to post-partum. ---
**Author:** ![kputt](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/f475e1/32.png) [@kputt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kputt)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2003, 5:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/most-woman-regret-abortions/195887/45 "2003-08-19T17:01:58Z")
sorry, but I just can’t stand pro-abortion views. They should change the law. It’s not a choice at all. ---
**Author:** ![CrankyAsAnOldMan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crankyasanoldman/32/11670_2.png) [@CrankyAsAnOldMan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CrankyAsAnOldMan)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2003, 5:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/most-woman-regret-abortions/195887/46 "2003-08-19T17:04:06Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by kputt \* > \*\*Actually, they do regret it and fall into a deep Post Partum Depression, and it affects their lives in every possible way: socially, mentally, emotionally, family-wise, etc. > > DOn’t have any sources yet, but I did a research paper once on this and I did find this, so I’m not pulling this out of mid air. \*\* Cites or no, I can’t believe the above statement as written is defendable. “They” do? Does that mean all? Or does it mean they are more likely to? And more likely than who, women who kept their babies, or women in general? When you report “research” (and I’m talking as a researcher here) you’ve got to be a little more precise, even if you don’t have the study in front of you and are being general. > [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by our new member, Emily \* > **If she does think the fetus was a human life, then it most cases it will not be helpful to work with a therapist who himself does not think the fetus was a human life, especially if he feels challenged, provoked or irate by such a notion, or defended around his own past choices or pregnancy losses.** And of course, you failed to include, if the woman is not upset about the human life issue, then it would not be helpful for her to work with a therapist who is strongly against abortion. No matter what one’s beliefs are about abortion, politics, or the price of tea in china, I recommend avoiding the kind of therapist who has as many issues as the type you describe (provoked, challenged, irate, defensive). Sheesh, let’s use a little common sense. ---
**Author:** ![HerMajestyLorna](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/7cd45c/32.png) [@HerMajestyLorna](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HerMajestyLorna)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2003, 5:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/most-woman-regret-abortions/195887/47 "2003-08-19T17:16:40Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by kputt \* > \*\*Actually, they do regret it and fall into a deep Post Partum Depression, and it affects their lives in every possible way: socially, mentally, emotionally, family-wise, etc. > > DOn’t have any sources yet, but I did a research paper once on this and I did find this, so I’m not pulling this out of mid air. \*\* Why are you making such broad presumptions? _They?_ I don’t think so. Don’t assume you know about every woman who has had an abortion. I personally know several women very close to me who have had abortions and feel no regret whatsoever. Please remember not everyone in the world feels the same way you do. Or the way you want them to feel. And yes, you are “pulling this out of mid air.” Please stop. ---
**Author:** ![wonky](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wonky/32/393_2.png) [@wonky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wonky)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2003, 5:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/most-woman-regret-abortions/195887/48 "2003-08-19T17:31:34Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by kputt \* > \*\*sorry, but I just can’t stand pro-abortion views. \*\* Well, then I suppose you had better lock yourself in your house, clap your hands over your ears, and scream “Lalala I’m not listening!” because otherwise you’re going to hear pro-abortion rights views. Julie ---
**Author:** ![kputt](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/f475e1/32.png) [@kputt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kputt)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2003, 5:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/most-woman-regret-abortions/195887/49 "2003-08-19T17:36:00Z")
"feel no regret whatsoever. " Must be stone cold. Let’s have sex and then kill a life. “And yes, you are “pulling this out of mid air.” Please stop.” WRONG!!! ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2003, 5:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/most-woman-regret-abortions/195887/50 "2003-08-19T17:44:34Z")
Not everyone sees a fetus as a life. Or, if they do, they don’t see it as a sentient life. ---
**Author:** ![kputt](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/f475e1/32.png) [@kputt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kputt)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2003, 5:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/most-woman-regret-abortions/195887/51 "2003-08-19T17:45:34Z")
Well Julie, I’m not going to let people tell me that it’s right to kill a baby just because a woman thinks she some God given right to choose to kill it. I’m sorry. End of Discussion in my part. ---
**Author:** ![kputt](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/f475e1/32.png) [@kputt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kputt)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2003, 5:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/most-woman-regret-abortions/195887/52 "2003-08-19T17:49:59Z")
I’m also sorry for fighting just a dad in In my Humble Opinion. I wasn’t trying for that, but this is a sore subject for me. ---
**Author:** ![kputt](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/f475e1/32.png) [@kputt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kputt)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2003, 5:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/most-woman-regret-abortions/195887/53 "2003-08-19T17:54:12Z")
previous post was supposed to say tad and not dad. ---
**Author:** ![HerMajestyLorna](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/7cd45c/32.png) [@HerMajestyLorna](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HerMajestyLorna)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2003, 6:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/most-woman-regret-abortions/195887/54 "2003-08-19T18:06:01Z")
Agreed, **kputt** , that the arguing should be kept away from here. So I will let that particular debate end for now. **Giun** is right…many people see sentience as the issue here. If a woman (for whatever reason) does not see a 4-week-old fetus as a sentient human being, she may very well not feel any regret over terminating its growth. ---
**Author:** ![CrankyAsAnOldMan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crankyasanoldman/32/11670_2.png) [@CrankyAsAnOldMan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CrankyAsAnOldMan)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2003, 6:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/most-woman-regret-abortions/195887/55 "2003-08-19T18:11:39Z")
kputt, I understand that it’s a hot-button issue for you, but you’ve got to step back enough to realize that your language is inflammatory and not even conducive to a debate. Understand that the terms like"Killing" and “baby” don’t provide any sort of common lanaguage to work with, because many pro-choice people don’t feel those terms apply. Yes, I know _you_ do. Yes, I know you think it’s “killing” and “murder.” I know you think it’s a full-fledged life and a chortling little baby. I get it. But using those terms immediately prevents there from being any sort of discussion–and it sure as hell doesn’t sway me. I will remind you that I am a mother. If I were so insensitive to the needs and rights of babies, I could never have raised one. I just happen to define “baby” differently from you. I could never kill what _I_ think of as a baby. See, then, how your words are like Greek to me? My views make me a monster in your eyes. I have to live with that; I can deal. But I will say that I probably is best for you to quit this discussion, because I can’t fathom a productive thread where you see me (and others) as inhuman. ---
**Author:** ![kputt](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/f475e1/32.png) [@kputt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kputt)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2003, 6:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/most-woman-regret-abortions/195887/56 "2003-08-19T18:22:21Z")
Look, I’m sorry for getting that worked up about it. I always believe adoption is a better answer than abortion. Also, if a person doesn’t want a baby, then don’t get pregnant. Of course, rape is a different story. I get more upset when people want to have sex and not a baby, but don’t use birth control, and they have this abortion for the heck of having an abortion. ---
**Author:** ![tramp](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/4491bb/32.png) [@tramp](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tramp)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2003, 7:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/most-woman-regret-abortions/195887/57 "2003-08-19T19:57:21Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by kputt \* > \*\*Look, I’m sorry for getting that worked up about it. I always believe adoption is a better answer than abortion. Also, if a person doesn’t want a baby, then don’t get pregnant. Of course, rape is a different story. > > I get more upset when people want to have sex and not a baby, but don’t use birth control, and they have this abortion for the heck of having an abortion. \*\* :rolleyes: kputt, I was on birth control. I was on the pill. I did not have an abortion just to have an abortion, that is the most ridiculous thing I have ever heard. ---
**Author:** ![wonky](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wonky/32/393_2.png) [@wonky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wonky)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2003, 8:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/most-woman-regret-abortions/195887/58 "2003-08-19T20:21:13Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by kputt \* > \*\*Well Julie, I’m not going to let people tell me that it’s right to kill a baby just because a woman thinks she some God given right to choose to kill it. I’m sorry. End of Discussion in my part. \*\* Of course you’re going to let people tell you that it’s right. They can tell you lots of things, and you can’t prevent that aside from hiding away somewhere. You don’t have to believe it, but you’ll still be told. If abortion discussions offend you, don’t join them! Julie ---
**Author:** ![CrazyCatLady](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/dfb087/32.png) [@CrazyCatLady](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CrazyCatLady)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2003, 8:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/most-woman-regret-abortions/195887/59 "2003-08-19T20:25:27Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by kputt \* > \*\*Look, I’m sorry for getting that worked up about it. I always believe adoption is a better answer than abortion. Also, if a person doesn’t want a baby, then don’t get pregnant. Of course, rape is a different story. > > I get more upset when people want to have sex and not a baby, but don’t use birth control, and they have this abortion for the heck of having an abortion. \*\* Yeah, because abortions are so much _fun_. I know I just can’t wait for my birth control to fail so I can have a nozzle stuffed through my cervix. (Trust me, cervical dilation in someone who’s never given birth is NOT fun.) Oooh, maybe **DrJ** will buy me an abortion for my birthday. Or maybe he’s planning it as an extra-special surprise for our anniversary. I’m going to say this once, then I’m going to stop feeding this debate in an inappropriate forum. BIRTH CONTROL ISN’T FOOLPROOF. And if you think I’m giving up having sex with my husband because I might get pregnant despite birth control, you’re nuts, buddy. If you think I’m going through the hell of pregnancy and childbirth just because I want a healthy, happy marriage, then you’re an absolute lunatic. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2003, 11:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/most-woman-regret-abortions/195887/60 "2003-08-19T23:06:44Z")
I think I’ll move this to Great Debates. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/most-woman-regret-abortions/195887.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/most-woman-regret-abortions/195887.md?page=4)