# Mother and her 2 sons write about escaping from a prostitution ring...but someone is silencing them **URL:** \ **Category:** In My Humble Opinion\ **Created:** [June 30, 2015, 2:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mother-and-her-2-sons-write-about-escaping-from-a-prostitution-ring-but-someone-is-silencing-them/723832 "2015-06-30T02:01:46Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![elusive\_mind](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/aeb1de/32.png) [@elusive\_mind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elusive_mind)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2015, 2:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mother-and-her-2-sons-write-about-escaping-from-a-prostitution-ring-but-someone-is-silencing-them/723832/1 "2015-06-30T02:01:46Z")
This story has been getting some attention on kpop websites and forums. i’m not sure what to make of it, but here is the summary that people are passing around: [https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CIGIQWQUYAADMcr.jpg](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CIGIQWQUYAADMcr.jpg) The sources are scattered across different websites, but someone organized them all into this video… [![](https://i.ytimg.com/vi/6AcyFL-ua0c/hqdefault.jpg "#HelpLeeJungHee - Timeline of events for Lee Jung Hee case") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6AcyFL-ua0c) Reading the women’s story sounds outrageous at first, but the more I read and see the evidence she provides, it somehow all fits together…? i don’t know. I mean, if the women was mentally insane as her family claims, then i don’t think she would be that wise to organize such an elaborate and well thought out hoax, right? not to mention that both her sons have spoken out in support for their mother’s claim and I don’t think group delusion about rape is that common. i guess it could be that her sons did get raped and the mother went into a delusion about it being the husband…i don’t know. but then why is her husband’s church giving a reply that the mother just wants the pastors cash (when he could of just replied that his son was raped by someone else). it doesn’t make sense, and i can’t logically understand it as being fake. to me they story makes more sense when i look at it as real. unfortunately, if it is real, then I’m not sure what _ **can** _ be done if the police aren’t even helping her and articles keep getting deleted. what does everyone think? ---
**Author:** ![Robert163](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/4af34b/32.png) [@Robert163](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Robert163)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2015, 2:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mother-and-her-2-sons-write-about-escaping-from-a-prostitution-ring-but-someone-is-silencing-them/723832/2 "2015-06-30T02:17:11Z")
I don’t feel like watching an hour long video but if it were in the USA in such a situation if the local law enforcement did not do a sufficient job of looking into the case can’tit be refereed to the FBI or state police? I agree that starting a media campaign if the facts are in question is itself a questionable path to take. ---
**Author:** ![TriPolar](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tripolar/32/3008_2.png) [@TriPolar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TriPolar)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2015, 2:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mother-and-her-2-sons-write-about-escaping-from-a-prostitution-ring-but-someone-is-silencing-them/723832/3 "2015-06-30T02:59:11Z")
**elusive mind,** if there is evidence in that video why don’t you tell us what or where it is? According to another web site no names have been provided. People seeking justice don’t make outrageous claims anonymously while wearing masks. If it was real the woman would tell us her real name, the names of her husband and family members, the name of the church that is supposed to be a prostitution ring, the name of the mental hospital her son is supposed to be in that allows him to make youtube videos, the names of Korean officials who refuse to investigate, the names of 30 people she claimed raped her and her children that she can remember, and numerous other details that must exist if this story has any basis in fact. ---
**Author:** ![Robert163](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/4af34b/32.png) [@Robert163](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Robert163)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2015, 3:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mother-and-her-2-sons-write-about-escaping-from-a-prostitution-ring-but-someone-is-silencing-them/723832/4 "2015-06-30T03:01:58Z")
> [@TriPolar](#): > > **elusive mind,** if there is evidence in that video why don’t you tell us what or where it is? According to another web site no names have been provided. People seeking justice don’t make outrageous claims anonymously while wearing masks. If it was real the woman would tell us her real name, the names of her husband and family members, the name of the church that is supposed to be a prostitution ring, the name of the mental hospital her son is supposed to be in that allows him to make youtube videos, the names of Korean officials who refuse to investigate, the names of 30 people she claimed raped her and her children that she can remember, and numerous other details that must exist if this story has any basis in fact. I agree with you more or less but with a case like rape the victim may want to remain anonymous. ---
**Author:** ![elusive\_mind](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/aeb1de/32.png) [@elusive\_mind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elusive_mind)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2015, 3:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mother-and-her-2-sons-write-about-escaping-from-a-prostitution-ring-but-someone-is-silencing-them/723832/5 "2015-06-30T03:05:43Z")
> [@Robert163](#): > > I don’t feel like watching an hour long video but if it were in the USA in such a situation if the local law enforcement did not do a sufficient job of looking into the case can’tit be refereed to the FBI or state police? I agree that starting a media campaign if the facts are in question is itself a questionable path to take. The mother’s first post pretty much explains most of the story. You can read it here at your own pace: [[Pann] Woman pleas for help on her lifetime of sexual abuse](http://netizenbuzz.blogspot.com/2015/06/pann-woman-pleas-for-help-on-her.html) Everything else is just additional posts and evidence (since many people initially didn’t believe what the mother claimed in her first post). So you can just read the first post and assume evidence was later provided to support it. They are living in South Korea. however the rape and prostitution began in Los Angeles, California (her sons were born in LA). I’m not sure if the US/FBI has any control over the case now that they moved to korea though? And I think what people were hoping to accomplish with the social media campaign was to have the story reach international media, so that it forces south korea to investigate the case properly once the world’s attention is all on them ---
**Author:** ![TriPolar](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tripolar/32/3008_2.png) [@TriPolar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TriPolar)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2015, 3:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mother-and-her-2-sons-write-about-escaping-from-a-prostitution-ring-but-someone-is-silencing-them/723832/6 "2015-06-30T03:12:35Z")
> [@Robert163](#): > > I agree with you more or less but with a case like rape the victim may want to remain anonymous. Then why exclude all the other names? > [@elusive\_mind](#): > > The mother’s first post pretty much explains most of the story. You can read it here at your own pace: [[Pann] Woman pleas for help on her lifetime of sexual abuse](http://netizenbuzz.blogspot.com/2015/06/pann-woman-pleas-for-help-on-her.html) > > Everything else is just additional posts and evidence (since many people initially didn’t believe what the mother claimed in her first post). So you can just read the first post and assume evidence was later provided to support it. > > They are living in South Korea. however the rape and prostitution began in Los Angeles, California (her sons were born in LA). I’m not sure if the US/FBI has any control over the case now that they moved to korea though? > > And I think what people were hoping to accomplish with the social media campaign was to have the story reach international media, so that it forces south korea to investigate the case properly once the world’s attention is all on them What evidence? It’s just the statements of someone who can’t be identified and might not exist. Why wouldn’t South Korea investigate this case properly if there was anything to it? ---
**Author:** ![Robert163](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/4af34b/32.png) [@Robert163](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Robert163)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2015, 3:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mother-and-her-2-sons-write-about-escaping-from-a-prostitution-ring-but-someone-is-silencing-them/723832/7 "2015-06-30T03:12:38Z")
> [@elusive\_mind](#): > > The mother’s first post pretty much explains most of the story. You can read it here at your own pace: [[Pann] Woman pleas for help on her lifetime of sexual abuse](http://netizenbuzz.blogspot.com/2015/06/pann-woman-pleas-for-help-on-her.html) > > Everything else is just additional posts and evidence (since many people initially didn’t believe what the mother claimed in her first post). So you can just read the first post and assume evidence was later provided to support it. > > They are living in South Korea. however the rape and prostitution began in Los Angeles, California (her sons were born in LA). I’m not sure if the US/FBI has any control over the case now that they moved to korea though? > > And I think what people were hoping to accomplish with the social media campaign was to have the story reach international media, so that it forces south korea to investigate the case properly once the world’s attention is all on them No offense but I don’t want to read up on what is either a very very sad story or a hoax mimicking that. I was just trying to respond to your basic claim that it was being ignored by local police that I hope she can refer her case to other people but that without solid facts a media campaign may not be the best idea. ---
**Author:** ![elusive\_mind](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/aeb1de/32.png) [@elusive\_mind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elusive_mind)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2015, 3:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mother-and-her-2-sons-write-about-escaping-from-a-prostitution-ring-but-someone-is-silencing-them/723832/8 "2015-06-30T03:20:01Z")
> [@TriPolar](#): > > **elusive mind,** if there is evidence in that video why don’t you tell us what or where it is? According to another web site no names have been provided. People seeking justice don’t make outrageous claims anonymously while wearing masks. If it was real the woman would tell us her real name, the names of her husband and family members, the name of the church that is supposed to be a prostitution ring, the name of the mental hospital her son is supposed to be in that allows him to make youtube videos, the names of Korean officials who refuse to investigate, the names of 30 people she claimed raped her and her children that she can remember, and numerous other details that must exist if this story has any basis in fact. What website said no names were provided? because names were provided. whatever website it was probably only viewed this video that the son uploaded: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oMjOEi1Et30](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oMjOEi1Et30) (this video was unfortunately the main thing used by people to spread their story since it was in english). but the story began before this video. Evidence are scattered throughout the video, I’m not sure which one you want. But you can go to 33:44 for phone recordings with the detective and police (in which names of officials and suspects are mentioned) . You can also go to 17:30 for names of the hospital and church. ---
**Author:** ![elusive\_mind](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/aeb1de/32.png) [@elusive\_mind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elusive_mind)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2015, 3:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mother-and-her-2-sons-write-about-escaping-from-a-prostitution-ring-but-someone-is-silencing-them/723832/9 "2015-06-30T03:25:55Z")
> [@TriPolar](#): > > Then why exclude all the other names? > > What evidence? It’s just the statements of someone who can’t be identified and might not exist. Why wouldn’t South Korea investigate this case properly if there was anything to it? see above, They can be identified. also, there are more phone recordings that were not included in this video. as to why the police aren’t investigating, the person they are accusing is wealthy and is associated with people in positions of power. the woman also sounds emotional and insistent during the phone recordings, which might have annoyed them. ---
**Author:** ![tomndebb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/b9e5f3/32.png) [@tomndebb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tomndebb)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2015, 3:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mother-and-her-2-sons-write-about-escaping-from-a-prostitution-ring-but-someone-is-silencing-them/723832/10 "2015-06-30T03:29:39Z")
I don’t really see a debate, here. Let’s try IMHO. [/Moderating] ---
**Author:** ![elusive\_mind](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/aeb1de/32.png) [@elusive\_mind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elusive_mind)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2015, 3:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mother-and-her-2-sons-write-about-escaping-from-a-prostitution-ring-but-someone-is-silencing-them/723832/11 "2015-06-30T03:30:50Z")
> [@elusive\_mind](#): > > What website said no names were provided? because names were provided. whatever website it was probably only viewed this video that the son uploaded: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oMjOEi1Et30](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oMjOEi1Et30) (this video was unfortunately the main thing used by people to spread their story since it was in english). but the story began before this video. > > Evidence are scattered throughout the video, I’m not sure which one you want. But you can go to 33:44 for phone recordings with the detective and police (in which names of officials and suspects are mentioned) . > > You can also go to 17:30 for names of the hospital and church. Sorry, I meant 38:48, not 33:44 ---
**Author:** ![elusive\_mind](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/aeb1de/32.png) [@elusive\_mind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elusive_mind)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2015, 3:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mother-and-her-2-sons-write-about-escaping-from-a-prostitution-ring-but-someone-is-silencing-them/723832/12 "2015-06-30T03:31:56Z")
> [@tomndebb](#): > > I don’t really see a debate, here. > > Let’s try IMHO. > > [/Moderating] We’re debating if this story is real or not ---
**Author:** ![TriPolar](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tripolar/32/3008_2.png) [@TriPolar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TriPolar)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2015, 3:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mother-and-her-2-sons-write-about-escaping-from-a-prostitution-ring-but-someone-is-silencing-them/723832/13 "2015-06-30T03:33:08Z")
There are no phone recordings at 33:44 and no hospital or church is mentioned at 17:30. ---
**Author:** ![elusive\_mind](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/aeb1de/32.png) [@elusive\_mind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elusive_mind)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2015, 3:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mother-and-her-2-sons-write-about-escaping-from-a-prostitution-ring-but-someone-is-silencing-them/723832/14 "2015-06-30T03:35:38Z")
> [@TriPolar](#): > > There are no phone recordings at 33:44 and no hospital or church is mentioned at 17:30. yeah i meant 38:48 the church is sungmin church, the hospital is on the hospital records. ---
**Author:** ![Robert163](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/4af34b/32.png) [@Robert163](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Robert163)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2015, 3:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mother-and-her-2-sons-write-about-escaping-from-a-prostitution-ring-but-someone-is-silencing-them/723832/15 "2015-06-30T03:38:55Z")
> [@elusive\_mind](#): > > yeah i meant 38:48 > > the church is sungmin church, the hospital is on the hospital records. look, i think this incident is worthy of a proper discussion/debate i’ve just reached my “bad news quota” for the day i don’t have any problem with you starting the thread or with any of your comments ---
**Author:** ![TriPolar](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tripolar/32/3008_2.png) [@TriPolar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TriPolar)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2015, 3:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mother-and-her-2-sons-write-about-escaping-from-a-prostitution-ring-but-someone-is-silencing-them/723832/16 "2015-06-30T03:43:47Z")
> [@elusive\_mind](#): > > Sorry, I meant 38:48, not 33:44 At 38:48 there are recordings alleged to be with some officials who explain to the woman that she has not presented any credible evidence. She refuses to come to the police station for further investigation. Apparently she provided video that did not show what she claimed. The only name I saw was of someone she said did not rape her. This is nonsense. ---
**Author:** ![elusive\_mind](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/aeb1de/32.png) [@elusive\_mind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elusive_mind)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2015, 3:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mother-and-her-2-sons-write-about-escaping-from-a-prostitution-ring-but-someone-is-silencing-them/723832/17 "2015-06-30T03:56:09Z")
> [@TriPolar](#): > > At 38:48 there are recordings alleged to be with some officials who explain to the woman that she has not presented any credible evidence. She refuses to come to the police station for further investigation. Apparently she provided video that did not show what she claimed. The only name I saw was of someone she said did not rape her. This is nonsense. yeah, thats the part that threw me off too. the detective claimed to believe her, but then the police didn’t. but then the police went into some sort of nitpicking about the group sex she mentioned in the press conference not being part of her testimony. so I wonder if there was any nitpicking about that specific video not being evidence for the specific testimony she gave. and she’s apparently paranoid because people were making threats to capture her sons they were hanging out near the police station after she held the press conference. the names of the police investigator is in the video. her husbands and his father’s name are also available online. there are more tbh, that’s the only point in the video that made me doubt her story. but i guess it really didn’t disprove it, just that she was making it difficult for the investigators. ---
**Author:** ![Deeg](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/deeg/32/2955_2.png) [@Deeg](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Deeg)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2015, 4:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mother-and-her-2-sons-write-about-escaping-from-a-prostitution-ring-but-someone-is-silencing-them/723832/18 "2015-06-30T04:50:23Z")
I’ll admit that my Skept-O-Meter nearly red-lined when I read the first line: “Please read and share if you care about humanity.” ---
**Author:** ![Senegoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senegoid/32/6606_2.png) [@Senegoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Senegoid)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2015, 5:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mother-and-her-2-sons-write-about-escaping-from-a-prostitution-ring-but-someone-is-silencing-them/723832/19 "2015-06-30T05:03:20Z")
Coming out of a place like North Korea, it’s probably intractable to tell if any particular story like this is real or a hoax, except as they said, a real story would probably not be publicized the way this is, if at all. I more suspect that a lot of this kind of shit probably goes on, the most reliable indication of it being for real is that _it doesn’t get publicized at all_. It would be more credible when Nicholas Kristof of The New Work Times blogs about it, and even he has been known to fall for hoaxes from time to time. ---
**Author:** ![TriPolar](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tripolar/32/3008_2.png) [@TriPolar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TriPolar)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2015, 5:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mother-and-her-2-sons-write-about-escaping-from-a-prostitution-ring-but-someone-is-silencing-them/723832/20 "2015-06-30T05:13:01Z")
> [@Senegoid](#): > > Coming out of a place like North Korea, it’s probably intractable to tell if any particular story like this is real or a hoax, except as they said, a real story would probably not be publicized the way this is, if at all. South Korea. The good one. [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mother-and-her-2-sons-write-about-escaping-from-a-prostitution-ring-but-someone-is-silencing-them/723832.md?page=2)