# Mother Tsarnaeva **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [April 28, 2013, 2:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mother-tsarnaeva/656878 "2013-04-28T02:21:11Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Ferret\_Herder](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/e47774/32.png) [@Ferret\_Herder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ferret_Herder)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2013, 7:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mother-tsarnaeva/656878/41 "2013-04-28T19:16:38Z")
> [@newcomer](#): > > I’ll also note that you did not really address my question so here it is again… if they were so hell-bent on destruction wouldn’t they hold a view of “yes, we did it”? Why would they choose to believe the exact opposite “no, we did not do it”? Being the put-upon demonized figure makes it easy to justify striking back. ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2013, 7:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mother-tsarnaeva/656878/42 "2013-04-28T19:40:46Z")
> [@JRDelirious](#): > > To be fair, Conspiracism sounds a whole lot more plausible to someone who grew up in the former USSR (or in the heyday of dictatorships and kleptocracies in Latin America), because in fact they WERE getting systematically fucked over as a result of hidden backroom plots. Change the scenario, and a lot of people become shocked in disbelief that life can still suck even in a free country and they decide there must still be a plot. Conspiracism (is that a word?) without basis is a kind of mental illness. I’ve personally known these perpetual victims of the USSR many years after its existance became an artifact of history. Their victimhood knows no bounds, despite the fact that they live, and even thrive, in a host country that provides them with a better life than they could ever realize in the post Communist Russia. Yet, they continue to pine for some imaginary version of their former mother land and heap scorn on the hand that feeds them. So while people like this do exists, it’s not because of the former injustice (real or imagined) - it’s their own inability to cope. At least back then & there, they had a (possibly) legitimate excuse for under-performing in life. Take that away from them and they can’t find real fault outside of their own shortcomings. Sometimes it’s easier to pack your bags and return to being a victim among your own kind. ---
**Author:** ![Ibn\_Warraq](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/e19b73/32.png) [@Ibn\_Warraq](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ibn_Warraq)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2013, 7:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mother-tsarnaeva/656878/43 "2013-04-28T19:49:11Z")
> [@newcomer](#): > > Did you know that the main street in Grozny (capital of Chechnya) is now called “Putin Avenue”? Er… You do realize why the city is called Grozny don’t you? ---
**Author:** ![Ibn\_Warraq](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/e19b73/32.png) [@Ibn\_Warraq](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ibn_Warraq)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2013, 8:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mother-tsarnaeva/656878/44 "2013-04-28T20:04:01Z")
For myself, sure, she’s a crank, but such behavior is fairly common among the parents of murderers(denying their children were guilty regardless of the evidence). I certainly don’t blame OJ Simpson’s mother for denying her son was a murderer and I don’t blame her either. Besides, when a parent loses a child, I generally give them a pass. ---
**Author:** ![JRDelirious](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jrdelirious/32/9531_2.png) [@JRDelirious](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JRDelirious)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2013, 11:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mother-tsarnaeva/656878/45 "2013-04-28T23:00:59Z")
> [@QuickSilver](#): > > At least back then & there, they had a (possibly) legitimate excuse for under-performing in life. Take that away from them and they can’t find real fault outside of their own shortcomings. Sometimes it’s easier to pack your bags and return to being a victim among your own kind. Which indeed is what I mean by: > [@](#): > > Change the scenario, and a lot of people become shocked in disbelief that life can still suck even in a free country and they decide there must still be a plot. They can’t wrap their minds around the concept that you can still fail even if there is no plot against you (or at least none beyond the generic equal-opportunity shafting of the have-nots by the haves). It has got to be evil working against you because you expected justice and freedom had to result in happiness. They are more \*vulnerable \*to fall for the delusion due to the prior experiences. But it IS a delusion, that they cling to so they can feel that they are not, as Uncle Ruslan said, just “losers who could not make it and took it out on those who did”. ---
**Author:** ![billfish678](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/7bcc69/32.png) [@billfish678](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/billfish678)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2013, 11:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mother-tsarnaeva/656878/46 "2013-04-28T23:13:04Z")
And while we are at it…let’s give the Uncle some serious props for saying it like it is/was. ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2013, 11:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mother-tsarnaeva/656878/47 "2013-04-28T23:23:09Z")
> [@newcomer](#): > > Would you ever consider a possibility that people who go to this extreme version of conspiracy may, in fact, be expressing their belief that - contrary what you read - there is no hate that deep that would produce 9/11, that they cannot even imagine how that event has anything to do with them being Muslims. In other words, I’d be actually worried if they took ownership of it. Again, while obviously offensive, think of it as primitive hyperbolic device to disown it as in “I have nothing to do with it”. Just an idea … Would you ever consider a possibility that people are just fucking insane? Just a thought. > [@billfish678](#): > > She worked as a beautician? > > Oh bejeezus. A job where you have hundreds of customers and basically chit chat the whole day long with them? And with this high profile case and todays internet and social media? > > If she IS a batshit crazy extremist, there are going to be former customers coming out the wood work to expose her. Couldn’t that count as hearsay? Just asking. ---
**Author:** ![KarlGauss](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/karlgauss/32/3713_2.png) [@KarlGauss](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/KarlGauss)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2013, 11:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mother-tsarnaeva/656878/48 "2013-04-28T23:24:36Z")
> [@billfish678](#): > > And while we are at it…let’s give the Uncle some serious props for saying it like it is/was. I assume he was a _paternal_ uncle? 😉 ---
**Author:** ![billfish678](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/7bcc69/32.png) [@billfish678](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/billfish678)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2013, 12:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mother-tsarnaeva/656878/49 "2013-04-29T00:25:42Z")
> [@Guinastasia](#): > > Couldn’t that count as hearsay? Just asking. Yes. Just like a 100 people telling you I am asshole because of X. But at some point aren’t you going to conclude that I am actually one? Time will tell how many customers come forward to out her. But my main two points were that she would have been hard pressed to find a job that would have been more likely to have her view “leaked” as it were. It wasn’t like she was some quite cubicle drone. And IF she is as bad some stories make her out to be, she is as much to blame for this shit as anyone else. And again, IF so I hope she knows it. ---
**Author:** ![newcomer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/e5b9ba/32.png) [@newcomer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/newcomer)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2013, 12:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mother-tsarnaeva/656878/50 "2013-04-29T00:40:26Z")
n/m ---
**Author:** ![madmonk28](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/madmonk28/32/20811_2.png) [@madmonk28](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/madmonk28)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2013, 2:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mother-tsarnaeva/656878/51 "2013-04-29T02:32:01Z")
The WaPo has an article about the family ([http://www.washingtonpost.com/sf/feature/wp/2013/04/27/the-tsarnaev-family-a-faded-portrait-of-an-immigrants-american-dream/](http://www.washingtonpost.com/sf/feature/wp/2013/04/27/the-tsarnaev-family-a-faded-portrait-of-an-immigrants-american-dream/)). Both the parents sound like real pieces of work, the dad was a petty shoplifter at the local salvage yard and claimed a loading zone as private workspace and the mom sounds like a nut. There are two brothers of the father who seem to have done well for themselves. The older brother called one the uncles to reconcile just before the brother was killed. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2013, 3:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mother-tsarnaeva/656878/52 "2013-04-29T03:50:08Z")
If the report is accurate it was sad that the brothers were falling deep into drugs and alcohol. But the real tragedy was the solution to that problem, the mother convinced them to get closer to religion so the smoking and alcohol was finally removed from their lives, only to be replaced by something that was more damaging in the end. What a deadly twelve-step program. ---
**Author:** ![PunditLisa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/4af34b/32.png) [@PunditLisa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PunditLisa)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2013, 11:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mother-tsarnaeva/656878/53 "2013-04-29T11:59:09Z")
> [@Dr.Drake](#): > > She’s their mother. She is a woman from a war-torn nation who has just lost one son, another is permanently disabled and unlikely to be free to roam the streets of Dagestan anytime soon. If anybody on the planet is allowed to be slightly insane over this and express ludicrous beliefs and misplaced anger, she is. Nobody believes her and I’m not quite sure why anyone cares. “Mother of slain full of grief and denial: story at 11.” Um, no. She became slightly insane, and expressed ludicrous beliefs and misplaced anger BEFORE this event. Her own behavior undoubtedly helped lead her sons down this path. And for that she should feel grief and guilt - pain-wrenching, soul-twisting guilt. Not just for her own sons, but for the innocent people they killed and maimed. The appropriate response now would be silence. Sadly for her family, Mother Tsarnaeva is all mouth and no brain. ---
**Author:** ![elbows](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/b3f665/32.png) [@elbows](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elbows)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2013, 1:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mother-tsarnaeva/656878/54 "2013-04-29T13:50:57Z")
As soon as they began to interview parts of the family it became pretty clear to me the kind of instability these boys must have been exposed to as their daily bread and butter. I could see how that could shape them into nut jobs. One moment the uncle, is calling them losers, next an auntie is claiming they were framed. One minute they are begging forgiveness and regretting the shame this as brought upon their family, the next the mother is waving away any inquiry about the outstanding charges against her. Who goes through the expense and hassle on immigrating the returns to war torn wherever over shoplifting? These things, some of which is excusable as grief in the face of horror no doubt, lead me to believe these boys were raised around people highly successful and surviving in a brutal reality. For me it’s only a tiny step to how that could mangle young minds trying to find a way in a new land. I am not making any excuses for any of them, please don’t misunderstand me. They did come from a pretty brutal background, are part of what can be a volatile community, and must have been fed a steady diet of dysfunction, while growing up in a new land, which may require a skill set they have not seen modelled, I expect. There is likely the sort of cultural requirement not unlike Muslim brides weeping heartily on their wedding days. There are many who are weeping real tears, being wed very early to a man, possibly much older, that they barely know. They are aware of how vulnerable they will be to bullying and even abuse. But even the ones who pick the boy, are happy to marry, weep for hours. It is somewhat culturally expected, whether sincere or not. It means to make the mother of the bride feel how much love her daughter has for her, or how much she will miss her. It means to make her appear innocent, naive, even a little frightened about sexual congress. A compliment for her husband and a demonstration of her modesty. I’m just saying, I could make some room for understanding, knowing these truly strange defences and denials may be ‘what a mother is expected to do’ when their son is accused. Regardless of guilt or complicity, or horror of the crime. ---
**Author:** ![magellan01](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@magellan01](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/magellan01)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2013, 2:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mother-tsarnaeva/656878/55 "2013-04-29T14:37:14Z")
It’s one thing to believe your sons innocent in the absence of overwhelming evidence. This is not that. What we have here is a human who failed at being a mother or succeeded very well at being a terrorist after having urged her sons to commit such a cowardly and atrocious act. Let’s give her the benefit of the doubt and say she’s a failed mother. Much like Georgiana William, the mothers of the attacker of Reginald Denny, Damian Williams. What we have is an example of one part: [this despicable, deranged human being:](http://www.latimes.com/news/local/lat-florence-ri_m328a5pd20120427162336,0,3873313.photo) …and one part [this deranged, despicable human being.](http://www.cnn.com/2003/WORLD/meast/04/08/sprj.irq.sahaf.profile.reut/) ---
**Author:** ![lieu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/c2a13f/32.png) [@lieu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lieu)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2013, 2:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mother-tsarnaeva/656878/56 "2013-04-29T14:43:39Z")
Zubeidat Tsarnaeva: “I don’t care if my youngest son is going to be killed today. I want the world to hear this. And, I don’t care if I am going to get killed too. And I will say Allahu Akbar!” I completely gave her a hall pass at the beginning. Since then, the more that’s uncovered and the more she talks the less I’m inclined to ever feel that way again. ---
**Author:** ![BlankSlate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/blankslate/32/80_2.png) [@BlankSlate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BlankSlate)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2013, 2:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mother-tsarnaeva/656878/57 "2013-04-29T14:47:55Z")
> [@magellan01](#): > > It’s one thing to believe your sons innocent in the absence of overwhelming evidence. This is not that. What we have here is a human who failed at being a mother or succeeded very well at being a terrorist after having urged her sons to commit such a cowardly and atrocious act. Let’s give her the benefit of the doubt and say she’s a failed mother. Much like Georgiana William, the mothers of the attacker of Reginald Denny, Damian Williams. What we have is an example of one part: > > [this despicable, deranged human being:](http://www.latimes.com/news/local/lat-florence-ri_m328a5pd20120427162336,0,3873313.photo) > > …and one part > > [this deranged, despicable human being.](http://www.cnn.com/2003/WORLD/meast/04/08/sprj.irq.sahaf.profile.reut/) All better people than you. ---
**Author:** ![magellan01](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@magellan01](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/magellan01)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2013, 2:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mother-tsarnaeva/656878/58 "2013-04-29T14:59:08Z")
> [@BlankSlate](#): > > All better people than you. And here we have a perfect example of the deranged, complete-break-with-reality of a poster on the left. Of course I could ask you to show your math here, but you won’t. Why? Because even the stupid in you realizes that if you did, you’d be exposed to be as deranged as the two assholes I cited. But good work on focusing the spotlight on your deranged mind. ---
**Author:** ![BlankSlate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/blankslate/32/80_2.png) [@BlankSlate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BlankSlate)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2013, 3:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mother-tsarnaeva/656878/59 "2013-04-29T15:08:43Z")
> [@magellan01](#): > > And here we have a perfect example of the deranged, complete-break-with-reality of a poster on the left. Of course I could ask you to show your math here, but you won’t. Why? Because even the stupid in you realizes that if you did, you’d be exposed to be as deranged as the two assholes I cited. > > But good work on focusing the spotlight on your deranged mind. Here’s the math, fucktard. You think you’re cute sneaking a little nigger-bashing into a completely unrelated thread. In your fucktard arrogance, you think you are actually making some kind of point. Point made: the biggest failure was your mother. ---
**Author:** ![magellan01](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@magellan01](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/magellan01)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2013, 3:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mother-tsarnaeva/656878/60 "2013-04-29T15:15:23Z")
> [@BlankSlate](#): > > Here’s the math, fucktard. You think you’re cute sneaking a little nigger-bashing into a completely unrelated thread. In your fucktard arrogance, you think you are actually making some kind of point. Point made: the biggest failure was your mother. Hahahahahahahahhahahahahaha. My God, you are truly deranged. You read that and see an attack on Blacks?! I guess I’ll just have to ask you to show your math again. You funny man! Fucked in the head as all get out. But funny, too! :D:D [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mother-tsarnaeva/656878.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mother-tsarnaeva/656878.md?page=4)