# Moto: Loathesome Pustule **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [June 22, 2005, 3:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/moto-loathesome-pustule/309370 "2005-06-22T15:02:32Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2005, 11:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/moto-loathesome-pustule/309370/61 "2005-06-22T23:22:08Z")
Surely the line didn’t originate as recently as Mel Brooks? “Please, Lord, could you choose somebody else for a while?” ---
**Author:** ![The\_Highwayman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/7993a0/32.png) [@The\_Highwayman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Highwayman)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2005, 11:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/moto-loathesome-pustule/309370/62 "2005-06-22T23:43:03Z")
> [@](#): > > Since 1973, Israel has cost the United States about $1.6 trillion. If divided by today’s [American] population, that is more than $5,700 per person. Take a look at this [article](http://www.csmonitor.com/2002/1209/p16s01-wmgn.html) which the above quote was taken from. The article was written in 2002 so that amount as gone up. The fact of the matter is that our support for Israel goes even deeper than this. Israel has cost this country dearly. What do we get in return? Our First Lady gets heckled by people who want us to release an American spy for Israel whose information was given to the Soviets in exchange for raising an immigration quota. I’m no supporter of Bush but this is low-class. My ancestors were German who fought against their mother country in both WWI and WWII. I can say whatever I want about a country that is more a liablity than an asset. The fucken audacity of people who would accuse you of being “anti-semitic” when you would question this. ---
**Author:** ![rjung](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/45deac/32.png) [@rjung](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rjung)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2005, 11:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/moto-loathesome-pustule/309370/63 "2005-06-22T23:56:15Z")
Wouldn’t it be easier to just call **Mr. Moto** a clueless dumbfuck asshole (which he is) and be done with it, instead of dickering over the knotty issue of Israel-United States codependency? ---
**Author:** ![Merijeek](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f05b48/32.png) [@Merijeek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Merijeek)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2005, 12:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/moto-loathesome-pustule/309370/64 "2005-06-23T00:32:46Z")
> [@rjung](#): > > Wouldn’t it be easier to just call **Mr. Moto** a clueless dumbfuck asshole (which he is) and be done with it, instead of dickering over the knotty issue of Israel-United States codependency? I’m fairly certain that **Moto’s** clueless dumbfuck assholery has already been agreed to, seconded, trebled and sent to the long-term archives. Now, however, we get a potentially interesting discussion on present U.S. fuckups. -Joe ---
**Author:** ![DMC](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dmc/32/18049_2.png) [@DMC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DMC)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2005, 12:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/moto-loathesome-pustule/309370/65 "2005-06-23T00:41:17Z")
> [@Jackmannii](#): > > I did not appreciate much of his posting style, but I still have never seen an example of him equating criticism of Israel with anti-Semitism. How many do you want? Here, I’ll just throw out a couple of his gems and once you let me know what number will suffice to sway you, I’ll find that many more examples. To be quite frank, and to borrow a phrase, december could have been easily convinced that a ham sandwich was anti-semitic. > [@december](#): > > However, there is also a parallel in that today’s anti-war movement leans anti-Israel and anti-semitic. Heck, he posted the following article excerpt as a rebuttal to an argument that one could have issues with Israel without being anti-semitic: > [@](#): > > It was not quite thus in the 1930s. Like today, the very nicest people, the most thoughtful people, the most progressive people, the people with the highest degree of social and moral conscience, people, in short, like you and me - all aligned themselves with Hitler’s interests and brought about the totally unnecessary second World War - which was very nearly lost, even after the death of 50 million people. Even though it was won in the end, it was not won soon enough to prevent making the unthinkable - the Holocaust - inevitable… > > Language itself has changed its meaning. Three years ago, those who said they were anti-Israel but not anti-Semitic meant that they opposed the particular measures the Government of Israel was taking to defend its civilians from terrorists. Now, to say that one is anti-Israel but not ant-Semitic means generally that - if one is a moderate - one is opposed to the existence of Israel as a self-governing Jewish State where it has existed for the better part of a century. But if one is really progressive, it means that one is opposed to the notion that Jews might be permitted to live as individuals in Palestine, where they have lived and come and gone freely and continuously for over two millennia, and that, instead, they should be uprooted and dispossessed by force. > > Now one could argue that these propositions might be true - and if you were to approach any of the leaders of the anti-war movement, you will hear such an argument - as you would from any of the leading clergymen and clergywomen of the mainstream Protestant denominations - but one can hardly suggest that either the moderate or progressive versions should not be regarded as anti-Semitic… > > As Orwell pointed out long ago, pacifism in the face of armed evil is equivalent to a blind worship of force. He also offers us such things as: > [@december](#): > > The point of the cited article is that opposition to Israel has led to an increase in anti-semitism in the US and Europe. There are also other posters who were/are guilty of tossing out accusation of anti-semitism at every turn, but to be quite frank, I’d rather not name some of them, as the first one that comes to mind has since changed completely and is now an extremely thoughtful poster, and I’d rather not sully their current reputation. There are lots of posters who, when new, were a bit quick to feel slighted at every criticism of Israel, and who over time came to realize that the criticism was indeed targetted specifically at the administration, and not at the people, and definitely not at Jews in general. If pressed, I can e-mail you details, to which you can respond here if you do or don’t find them sufficient. > [@](#): > > A number of posters have made the “happened quite frequently” claim, which I have never seen documented. As stated, actual use of the term “anti-semitic” is not often tossed out, but the implication is often there and quite visible without having to perform major leaps of logic or faith. > [@](#): > > I am generally dubious about any line of argument that finds one side in the Mideast conflict to be white as snow and the other starkly evil. I did not appreciate it when **december** did it, nor am I likely to respect it when coming from the other side. In fact, the more virulent and one-sided denunciations become in relation to this subject, the more likely it is that the denouncer is a bigot. I’m going to call you on this one. Find me a post in which the claim is made that the Palestinians are white as snow in this conflict, from anyone that isn’t universally acknowledged to be a sock, troll, or actual anti-semite (as noted, we’ve had a few true, but luckily short-lived, ones) and I’ll be very surprised. I’ve yet to see it. The problem is that in a thread about misdeeds by the Israeli government, many of us come in to the thread to discuss just that, misdeeds by the Israeli government. Are you really willing to call our motives into question when we don’t address Palestinian atrociities in every single post where we address the ones committed by the Israelis? Is that a standard you’d like to be held to in all debates? > [@](#): > > Yep, and I really need to update [my collection](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=3131075&postcount=31). **London\_Calling** deserves a glass case of his own.Uh-oh. Now I’m connecting the dots - and it’s…it’s… I have no clue what this is in reference to, nor what it has to do with London\_Calling. Yes, we’ve had actual anti-semites here. Hell, we’ve had SF (not spelling it out so they don’t come running again) members come here in the past. Those weren’t the folks who the “december”'s of the board levelled their accusations against. ---
**Author:** ![Jackmannii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jackmannii/32/311_2.png) [@Jackmannii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jackmannii)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2005, 2:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/moto-loathesome-pustule/309370/66 "2005-06-23T02:07:05Z")
> [@DMC](#): > > How many do you want? Here, I’ll just throw out a couple of his gems and once you let me know what number will suffice to sway you… None have him declaring that criticism of Israel makes one an anti-Semite. > [@](#): > > There are also other posters who were/are guilty of tossing out accusation of anti-semitism at every turn, but to be quite frank, I’d rather not name some of them…As stated, actual use of the term “anti-semitic” is not often tossed out… Forgive me, but this is pretty damn vague. Either there are actual posters who have declared that attacking Israel is tantamount to being a bigot, or there aren’t. Please turn up someone other than **december** , as being put in the position of even partially defending him makes me ill. > [@](#): > > Find me a post in which the claim is made that the Palestinians are white as snow in this conflict, from anyone that isn’t universally acknowledged to be a sock, troll, or actual anti-semite… Ah, qualifying a bit, aren’t we? I don’t know how this poster would rank in your estimation, but [here’s a nice black-and-white characterization.](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=5271444&postcount=21) > [@](#): > > Are you really willing to call our motives into question when we don’t address Palestinian atrociities in every single post where we address the ones committed by the Israelis? Strawman. I called no one’s motives into question over simply bringing up perceived atrocities by Israel. What I was addressing was your grievance over people bringing up Palestinian/Arab malfeasances in threads that you’d apparently rather focus exclusively on Israel. This may be news to you, but there are a lot of reasonable people that feel that acknowledgment of bad deeds on both sides is needed in order to properly promote peace. > [@](#): > > I have no clue what this is in reference to, nor what it has to do with London\_Calling. You cited a past poster, who was both anti-Israel and anti-Semitic. I agreed and listed a few more. So? ---
**Author:** ![eleanorigby](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/ee7513/32.png) [@eleanorigby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eleanorigby)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2005, 2:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/moto-loathesome-pustule/309370/67 "2005-06-23T02:41:57Z")
I’m all agog. Criticizing Israel and its policies towards the Palestinians and the ME is anti-Semitic? What the hell? Did I miss the memo? How many enemies lurk in your bushes? How paranoid is _that?_ Guess I am anti-Semitic, since I find some of their policies to be reprehensible. This comes as quite a surprise to me since I like and admire many people that I know in RL on the Jewish persuasion. Guess that utter revulsion I felt at Dachau at the nazi atrocities was just bad schnitzel. Guess all those Chosen people- friends are just tokens. To paraphrase an old joke: they aren’t really Jews; they’re Jew-ish…\ I really don’t care who or what or how they worship Yahw-h. Why would it matter to me? But any country’s policies DO matter to me, when they impact on me. What kind of thinking is this–that an adversary is an enemy? And the **lucidifier** (attempting to cement new name for ya) has not proclaimed himself an adversary to Jews–he asked a question! But I digress… And how does criticizing Israel make one automatically pro-Palestine? Where have I heard all of this type of nonsense before? Oh, yes, the GOP has used this tactic again and again. “If you’re not with us, you’re against us” and other ridiculously black and white statements. I heard on Cspan some GOP guy saying that once again, there is “proof” that Dems hate Christians because of Dean’s remark re: the GOP being the white, christian party…sounds like twisted thinking to me–and eerily close to this premise that one must love Israel and all it does or be tarred with the Bad Person Brush. Me? Not so much. ---
**Author:** ![eleanorigby](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/ee7513/32.png) [@eleanorigby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eleanorigby)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2005, 2:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/moto-loathesome-pustule/309370/68 "2005-06-23T02:47:01Z")
oops-posted too soon. I know several Religiuos Right people who think that the Jews are “misguided” and will “see the light” at the End Times. They act like this is common knowledge and accepted fact. Read “We All Fall Down”–I don’t remember the author’s name and hate to give any publicity to this incredible waste of paper and time–but the whole theory is laid out in that “book”. (sorry, but I rever books too much to give this one anything but ironic quotes) It is something that made me truly fear for the RR gaining any more power-written by an End Timer, BTW. ---
**Author:** ![DMC](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dmc/32/18049_2.png) [@DMC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DMC)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2005, 3:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/moto-loathesome-pustule/309370/69 "2005-06-23T03:00:02Z")
> [@Jackmannii](#): > > None have him declaring that criticism of Israel makes one an anti-Semite. Then you’re blind. Hell, he even states that the movement against the Iraq war leans towards anti-semitism. > [@](#): > > Forgive me, but this is pretty damn vague. Either there are actual posters who have declared that attacking Israel is tantamount to being a bigot, or there aren’t. Please turn up someone other than **december** , as being put in the position of even partially defending him makes me ill. I offered to via e-mail or any other method of your choosing, as long as they don’t get dragged out here. To be honest, it’s a waste of time, as if you don’t see it in december’s statements, you won’t see it anywhere. Also quite frankly, I like the posters I’m referring to, and wish to keep them out of the debate. You’re the only one who is making the claims, so I’m currently working with the assumption that you’re the only person so blind as to believe them. If you ever do see it in any of december’s posts, let me know that you’ve seen the light and I’ll e-mail you some others, just so you’ll see he wasn’t alone. > [@](#): > > Ah, qualifying a bit, aren’t we? I don’t know how this poster would rank in your estimation, but [here’s a nice black-and-white characterization.](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=5271444&postcount=21) Of course I’m qualifying. I admitted that we sometimes have trolls who post anti-semitic crap. They’re also universally called out by all parties on all sides of the debate. These trolls aren’t the folks whose motives were called into question by december. As for your black-and-white characterization, I call bullshit. One, he characterizes Palestinians as an “oppressed” people, which doesn’t say anything about them being snow white. Blacks have long been oppressed in South Africa, but that doesn’t make them innocent of all misdeeds. He also later clarifies that his main issue is with the cite itself, Arutz-Sheva, which makes WorldNetDaily look like a bastion of good journalism in comparison. If you wish to make the claim that Sevastapol is anti-semitic, knock yourself out, but that post doesn’t do it. > [@](#): > > Strawman. I called no one’s motives into question over simply bringing up perceived atrocities by Israel. It was in response to your own strawman, in which you state: > [@](#): > > I am generally dubious about any line of argument that finds one side in the Mideast conflict to be white as snow and the other starkly evil. Who are these people who find the Palestinians snow white and Israel starkly evil? > [@](#): > > What I was addressing was your grievance over people bringing up Palestinian/Arab malfeasances in threads that you’d apparently rather focus exclusively on Israel. This may be news to you, but there are a lot of reasonable people that feel that acknowledgment of bad deeds on both sides is needed in order to properly promote peace.You cited a past poster, who was both anti-Israel and anti-Semitic. I agreed and listed a few more. So? As those of us who debate in such threads are really, really, really tired of explaining to people like yourself, we’d be more than happy to discuss the problems we have with the Palestinians if that is what the thread topic was about. Hell, some of us even give you your bone in threads where it’s not warranted, just to avoid the same old hijack every time. Let me repeat it again, just to make it very clear: In threads relating to Israeli atrocities against Palestinians, we are not required to voice our disapproval of Palestinian atrocities before we are allowed to contribute to the actual topic. In threads relating to the mistreatment of prisoners at Abu Ghraib, Gitmo, etc., we are not required to voice our disapproval of the methods used by the North Koreans, Saddam Hussein, or even the freaking terrorists themselves before we are allowed to contribute to the actual topic. In threads relating to discrimination against blacks, we are not required to voice our disapproval of the treatment of indentured Irish immigrants before we are allowed to contribute to the actual topic. The above statements in no way denote approval of the behavior of the Palestinian Authority, North Korea, Saddam Hussein, terrorists, or those who held indentured servants, and implying that they do is stupid. You want us to bitch about corruption in Arafat’s regime, for example? Start a fucking thread about it. Stop hijacking a thread where we’re discussing Israel. ---
**Author:** ![Jackmannii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jackmannii/32/311_2.png) [@Jackmannii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jackmannii)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2005, 3:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/moto-loathesome-pustule/309370/70 "2005-06-23T03:45:52Z")
**DMC** , your evasions, strawmen, misquotes and distortions have become tiresome. You don’t have the cites, and instead make excuses about why you can’t provide them. I give you a clear example of the sort of black-and-white thinking that you asked for, and you retreat into literalism to avoid admitting it. And you know quite well I did not characterize **sevastopol** as an anti-Semite. It is dishonest of you to suggest otherwise. You seem to be fishing for denunciations to support your feelings of persecution. > [@](#): > > As those of us who debate in such threads are really, really, really tired of explaining to people like yourself, we’d be more than happy to discuss the problems we have with the Palestinians if that is what the thread topic was about. Hell, some of us even give you your bone in threads where it’s not warranted, just to avoid the same old hijack every time. I know, it’s a real bitch to have to deal with a balanced appraisal of the topic and hear opinions from all sides. But I forget. You’re not interested in honest debate… ---
**Author:** ![DMC](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dmc/32/18049_2.png) [@DMC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DMC)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2005, 4:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/moto-loathesome-pustule/309370/71 "2005-06-23T04:58:27Z")
> [@Jackmannii](#): > > **DMC** , your evasions, strawmen, misquotes and distortions have become tiresome. Like? > [@](#): > > You don’t have the cites, and instead make excuses about why you can’t provide them. I did provide cites. I then stated that if you didn’t like those, you certainly wouldn’t like the others, as the three I provided were more convincing in my opinion. > [@](#): > > I give you a clear example of the sort of black-and-white thinking that you asked for, and you retreat into literalism to avoid admitting it. And you know quite well I did not characterize **sevastopol** as an anti-Semite. Are you claiming that Sevastopol thinks the Palestinians are snow white? You used that response when I called you on your “snow white” statement, so feel free to clarify what that link is supposed to represent if not the above. > [@](#): > > It is dishonest of you to suggest otherwise. You seem to be fishing for denunciations to support your feelings of persecution.I know, it’s a real bitch to have to deal with a balanced appraisal of the topic and hear opinions from all sides. Hell, I haven’t felt persecuted a day in my life. > [@](#): > > But I forget. You’re not interested in honest debate… You know what? Fuck it. One of the posters who I was trying to leave out of this was [you](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=110004), you dickweed. I sincerely thought that you had grown out of the phase where disagreements with Israel were to be automatically regarded with a suspicious eye. I’m apparently a shitty judge of character. Luckily, several of the folks from that thread, including the OP, have gotten much better at differentiating between those who disagree with some Israeli policies and anti-semitism. You avoid using the actual term to describe the more obviously non bigotted posters, much like december, but that doesn’t mean you aren’t implying it. Remember this?: > [@Jackmannii](#): > > No, your spelling as well as your entry onto the boards for the purpose of Israel-reviling (in company with a slew of brand new anti-Israel and/or antisemitic posters, who’ve popped up on the SDMB after 9/11 like toadstools after a rain) had me questioning whether your stated background was accurate. Shit, in that same thread you were trying to tell us all that Gandhi used anti-semitic language, even while telling us that he wasn’t anti-semitic. Of course, no one actually agreed with you, other than december. I fully understand this being a sensitive subject for you, but stop looking for offense so hard, and try to see that there are other perspectives that differ from your’s, and they’re not automatically bigots for thinking that way. You have rightfully called december and others to the table for such crap in the past, but you seem to have blinders on today for some reason. december used it constantly, and you even called him on it yourself in the past (remember where he thought Molly Ivins was anti-semitic?). Today, he’s suddently innocent. ---
**Author:** ![Jackmannii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jackmannii/32/311_2.png) [@Jackmannii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jackmannii)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2005, 1:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/moto-loathesome-pustule/309370/72 "2005-06-23T13:18:14Z")
> [@DMC](#): > > I did provide cites. I then stated that if you didn’t like those, you certainly wouldn’t like the others… Your cites didn’t back up the stated proposition, which was that other posters on this board have **not** equated being a critic of Israel with being an anti-Semite. You cannot or will not cite anyone besides **december** , using excuses like “well, they didn’t actually _say_ anti-Semite”, or crap about how they’ve reformed now so you don’t want to mention them. You haven’t got the evidence, so you’re trying to weasel your way out of the predicament. > [@](#): > > Are you claiming that Sevastopol thinks the Palestinians are snow white? Example #1 of your dishonestry. What you asked me was “Find me a post in which the claim is made that the Palestinians are white as snow in this conflict…” I found you one, you’re trying to weasel your way out of it. > [@](#): > > I sincerely thought that you had grown out of the phase where disagreements with Israel were to be automatically regarded with a suspicious eye. Strawman and dishonest. What _is_ the case is that anyone else who posts opinions that the Israeli population is “psychotic” and approves of statements that its leaders are Nazis, simultaneously claiming to be a Jewish poster will similarly have his/her bona fides viewed with skepticism. > [@](#): > > Shit, in that same thread you were trying to tell us all that Gandhi used anti-semitic language, even while telling us that he wasn’t anti-semitic. More flagrant dishonesty on your part. I reproduced a Gandhi quote from early WWII in which _he spoke approvingly of Hitler_. You can’t get your facts straight, and it looks deliberate. > [@](#): > > I fully understand this being a sensitive subject for you, but stop looking for offense so hard, and try to see that there are other perspectives that differ from your’s, and they’re not automatically bigots for thinking that way. More dishonest, strawman posting. This statement is best turned around and directed at **you**. Stop being so hypersensitive and hypervigilant, and imputing allegations of bigotry where none have been made. Grow some spine. Cease being a weasel. Stop lying. > [@](#): > > I’m apparently a shitty judge of character. Yes. This should bother you every time you look in the mirror. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2005, 1:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/moto-loathesome-pustule/309370/73 "2005-06-23T13:42:44Z")
Hey, you two! Get yer own damn Pit thread! Don’t make me come back there! ---
**Author:** ![EddyTeddyFreddy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eddyteddyfreddy/32/18796_2.png) [@EddyTeddyFreddy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EddyTeddyFreddy)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2005, 2:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/moto-loathesome-pustule/309370/74 "2005-06-23T14:18:03Z")
Now, now, your Pit thread climaxed too soon, just when people were getting into the swing of it, getting all excited. Can you blame these two if they weren’t satisfied by pittus interruptus? ---
**Author:** ![Jackmannii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jackmannii/32/311_2.png) [@Jackmannii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jackmannii)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2005, 2:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/moto-loathesome-pustule/309370/75 "2005-06-23T14:44:42Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > Hey, you two! Get yer own damn Pit thread! Don’t make me come back there! You’d better not. There are dark shadows back here…menacing whispers…hints of betrayal. :eek: ---
**Author:** ![New\_Iskander](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/db5fbb/32.png) [@New\_Iskander](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/New_Iskander)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2005, 3:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/moto-loathesome-pustule/309370/76 "2005-06-23T15:04:11Z")
Hopefully, some rabid left types here will learn a good lesson from **Mr. Moto** honorable action. That’s what decent people do when they commit even a slight mistake: they offer apologies, openly and sincerely, just like **Mr. Moto** did. That’s the difference between **Mr. Moto** and the whole bunch of you rabid left paranoid scumbuckets. You would never admit a mistake, you would go screaming and whining how bad the other side is, smearing even your own with your excrement, as you did to Sen. Durbin after he apologized. ---
**Author:** ![Frank](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Frank](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frank)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2005, 3:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/moto-loathesome-pustule/309370/77 "2005-06-23T15:11:01Z")
> [@New Iskander](#): > > Hopefully, some rabid left types here will learn a good lesson from **Mr. Moto** honorable action. That’s what decent people do when they commit even a slight mistake: they offer apologies, openly and sincerely, just like **Mr. Moto** did. That’s the difference between **Mr. Moto** and the whole bunch of you rabid left paranoid scumbuckets. You would never admit a mistake, you would go screaming and whining how bad the other side is, smearing even your own with your excrement, as you did to Sen. Durbin after he apologized. Modern medical science can probably help you with that undivided brain cell. ---
**Author:** ![Scott\_Plaid](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/258eb7/32.png) [@Scott\_Plaid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scott_Plaid)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2005, 3:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/moto-loathesome-pustule/309370/78 "2005-06-23T15:13:55Z")
To put it another way, New Iskander, stating that Durbin was wrong to apologize is not the same as smearing him. Neither is acting frustrated. What kinda twisted mentality is required to believe it is? ---
**Author:** ![tagos](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/bbe5ce/32.png) [@tagos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tagos)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2005, 3:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/moto-loathesome-pustule/309370/79 "2005-06-23T15:18:21Z")
> [@New Iskander](#): > > Hopefully, some rabid left types here will learn a good lesson from **Mr. Moto** honorable action. That’s what decent people do when they commit even a slight mistake: they offer apologies, openly and sincerely, just like **Mr. Moto** did. That’s the difference between **Mr. Moto** and the whole bunch of you rabid left paranoid scumbuckets. You would never admit a mistake, you would go screaming and whining how bad the other side is, smearing even your own with your excrement, as you did to Sen. Durbin after he apologized. Then why the fuck did it take a pit thread then? Hardly any sane (so you’re off the hook) person would call that ‘honorable’. Forced, kicking and screaming would be more accurate. Or ‘finally shamed’. And the offence was not ‘slight.’ I look forward to your apology to all thinking conservatives for your never-ending campaign to make the world think they are raving lunatics without any morals or sense of proportion. ---
**Author:** ![NurseCarmen](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/5daacb/32.png) [@NurseCarmen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NurseCarmen)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2005, 3:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/moto-loathesome-pustule/309370/80 "2005-06-23T15:33:32Z")
> [@New Iskander](#): > > Hopefully, some rabid left types here will learn a good lesson from **Mr. Moto** honorable action. That’s what decent people do when they commit even a slight mistake: they offer apologies, openly and sincerely, just like **Mr. Moto** did. That’s the difference between **Mr. Moto** and the whole bunch of you rabid left paranoid scumbuckets. You would never admit a mistake, you would go screaming and whining how bad the other side is, smearing even your own with your excrement, as you did to Sen. Durbin after he apologized. Hmm, after a pitting, a lame attempt, than an apology with caveats. Sure. The right is always quick to admit mistakes. Why, George W. just yesterday admitted…Well. Nothing. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/moto-loathesome-pustule/309370.md?page=3) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/moto-loathesome-pustule/309370.md?page=5)