# Move over, Jeffrey Dahmer **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Created:** [April 13, 2014, 10:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/move-over-jeffrey-dahmer/686049 "2014-04-13T22:32:54Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Musicat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/musicat/32/20189_2.png) [@Musicat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Musicat)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2014, 10:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/move-over-jeffrey-dahmer/686049/1 "2014-04-13T22:32:54Z")
We have a new anti-hero, [Megan Huntsman.](http://abcnews.go.com/US/babies-found-dead-utah-woman-arrested-murder-counts/story?id=23311067) ---
**Author:** ![Broomstick](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/broomstick/32/246_2.png) [@Broomstick](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Broomstick)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2014, 10:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/move-over-jeffrey-dahmer/686049/2 "2014-04-13T22:39:13Z")
Dahmer still has a higher body count, and he ate some of them. We also know he tortured and abused some of his victims prior to killing and eating them. Sorry, Dahmer still wins the ickyness award. ---
**Author:** ![Musicat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/musicat/32/20189_2.png) [@Musicat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Musicat)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2014, 10:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/move-over-jeffrey-dahmer/686049/3 "2014-04-13T22:45:54Z")
7 babies born over 10 years, each killed and put into individual boxes isn’t good enough for you? What does a respectable, deranged psychopath have to do to get some recognition nowadays? Sheesh! {forgive me, I don’t know what smiley to use here ☹ ) } ---
**Author:** ![chiroptera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/df705f/32.png) [@chiroptera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/chiroptera)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2014, 10:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/move-over-jeffrey-dahmer/686049/4 "2014-04-13T22:46:18Z")
Yes, but…newborn babies. How can someone be pregnant and give birth to six (or seven) full-term infants without anyone in her life wondering what happened to them? ---
**Author:** ![Musicat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/musicat/32/20189_2.png) [@Musicat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Musicat)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2014, 10:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/move-over-jeffrey-dahmer/686049/5 "2014-04-13T22:48:05Z")
> [@chiroptera](#): > > Yes, but…newborn babies. How can someone be pregnant and give birth to six (or seven) full-term infants without anyone in her life wondering what happened to them? Artificial insemination? Saving semen from condoms? Prostitution? ---
**Author:** ![Robot\_Arm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/robot_arm/32/18280_2.png) [@Robot\_Arm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Robot_Arm)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2014, 11:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/move-over-jeffrey-dahmer/686049/6 "2014-04-13T23:08:22Z")
> [@chiroptera](#): > > Yes, but…newborn babies. How can someone be pregnant and give birth to six (or seven) full-term infants without anyone in her life wondering what happened to them? > [@Musicat](#): > > Artificial insemination? Saving semen from condoms? Prostitution? I don’t think the method of conception is really the question. If you were a friend of hers, and saw her pregnant seven times, and you said “oh, you must be so busy with seven children!”, and she said “what children?”, that would start to sound a little odd. ---
**Author:** ![Asimovian](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asimovian/32/172_2.png) [@Asimovian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Asimovian)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2014, 11:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/move-over-jeffrey-dahmer/686049/7 "2014-04-13T23:14:30Z")
The article I read mentions a neighbor noticing her gaining and losing weight over the years, but not in a way where he ever thought she was pregnant. Who the hell knows? But yeah, the Dahmer comparison seems odd to me. Maybe an evil Octomom. ---
**Author:** ![Musicat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/musicat/32/20189_2.png) [@Musicat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Musicat)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2014, 11:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/move-over-jeffrey-dahmer/686049/8 "2014-04-13T23:19:17Z")
> [@Asimovian](#): > > But yeah, the Dahmer comparison seems odd to me. Maybe an evil Octomom. Would the Amanda Berry incident seem more reasonable? ---
**Author:** ![chiroptera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/df705f/32.png) [@chiroptera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/chiroptera)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2014, 11:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/move-over-jeffrey-dahmer/686049/9 "2014-04-13T23:19:21Z")
> [@Robot\_Arm](#): > > I don’t think the method of conception is really the question. If you were a friend of hers, and saw her pregnant seven times, and you said “oh, you must be so busy with seven children!”, and she said “what children?”, that would start to sound a little odd. Exactly. Perhaps she had a complex and plausible web of explanations involving adoption or surrogate motherhood? Or maybe she had nobody significant in her life that would even wonder? In any case she is probably a different sick animal than Dahmer, who although right up there on the ick scale was strangely likeable when interviewed. ETA: [Dahmer’s interview](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fEbU94diw10) with Stone Phillips. ---
**Author:** ![Ranchoth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ranchoth/32/1066_2.png) [@Ranchoth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ranchoth)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2014, 11:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/move-over-jeffrey-dahmer/686049/10 "2014-04-13T23:19:21Z")
> [@Musicat](#): > > {forgive me, I don’t know what smiley to use here ☹ ) } Sardonic puking smiley? Y’know, Sarpukiee? ---
**Author:** ![Hampshire](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hampshire/32/4887_2.png) [@Hampshire](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hampshire)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2014, 11:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/move-over-jeffrey-dahmer/686049/11 "2014-04-13T23:22:43Z")
Did she give birth at hospitals? I wonder how often a pregnant woman shows up with no one in tow to a hospital, gives birth, has no visitors, and leaves with the child on her own? Has anyone who’s ever worked a maternity ward seen this? ---
**Author:** ![Musicat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/musicat/32/20189_2.png) [@Musicat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Musicat)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2014, 11:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/move-over-jeffrey-dahmer/686049/12 "2014-04-13T23:26:42Z")
> [@Hampshire](#): > > Did she give birth at hospitals? I wonder how often a pregnant woman shows up with no one in tow to a hospital, gives birth, has no visitors, and leaves with the child on her own? > Has anyone who’s ever worked a maternity ward seen this? You realize that a hospital is not required to give birth? Especially if you have been only gaining weight and seesawing in and out? ---
**Author:** ![RivkahChaya](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rivkahchaya/32/8919_2.png) [@RivkahChaya](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RivkahChaya)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2014, 12:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/move-over-jeffrey-dahmer/686049/13 "2014-04-14T00:24:57Z")
> [@Musicat](#): > > You realize that a hospital is not required to give birth? Especially if you have been only gaining weight and seesawing in and out? Especially if you aren’t terribly concerned about the health of the baby. ---
**Author:** ![engineer\_comp\_geek](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/engineer_comp_geek/32/504_2.png) [@engineer\_comp\_geek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/engineer_comp_geek)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2014, 12:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/move-over-jeffrey-dahmer/686049/14 "2014-04-14T00:26:37Z")
She has a long way to go to catch up to Amelia Dyer (aka the Baby Butcher). > [@](#): > > This rate of murder has led to some estimates that Mrs Dyer may, over the course of decades, have killed over 400 babies and children, making her one of the most prolific murderers ever, as well as the most prolific female murderer ever > **[Amelia Dyer](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amelia_Dyer)** > > Amelia Elizabeth Hobley (1837 – 10 June 1896), popularly dubbed the Ogress of Reading, was an English serial killer who murdered infants in her care over a thirty-year period during the Victorian era. > Trained as a nurse and widowed in 1869, she turned to baby farming—the practice of adopting unwanted infants in exchange for money—to support herself. She initially cared for the children legitimately, in addition to having two of her own, but whether intentionally or not a number of them died ... ---
**Author:** ![Boyo\_Jim](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/87869e/32.png) [@Boyo\_Jim](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Boyo_Jim)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2014, 12:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/move-over-jeffrey-dahmer/686049/15 "2014-04-14T00:32:35Z")
> [@Robot\_Arm](#): > > … If you were a friend of hers, and saw her pregnant seven times, … _Those_ are the people she killed and ate. ---
**Author:** ![not\_what\_you\_d\_expect](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/not_what_you_d_expect/32/3246_2.png) [@not\_what\_you\_d\_expect](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/not_what_you_d_expect)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2014, 1:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/move-over-jeffrey-dahmer/686049/16 "2014-04-14T01:17:06Z")
> [@engineer\_comp\_geek](#): > > She has a long way to go to catch up to Amelia Dyer (aka the Baby Butcher). > > [Amelia Dyer - Wikipedia](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amelia_Dyer) This is awful. How could someone be so evil? ---
**Author:** ![nevadaexile](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/eb8c5e/32.png) [@nevadaexile](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/nevadaexile)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2014, 2:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/move-over-jeffrey-dahmer/686049/17 "2014-04-14T02:18:44Z")
With two known exceptions, Jeffrey Dahmer killed adult men. He isn’t even the worst male-on-male serial killer out there as either **John Wayne Gacy** or **Patrick Kearney** who killed at least 33 and 43 people, respectively. Or even **William Bonin** who killed at least 34 and some of whose murders were at first attributed to Kearney. This woman is far worse than the woman detailed in the news story,OP: > **[Marybeth Tinning](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marybeth_Tinning)** > > Marybeth Roe Tinning (born September 11, 1942) is an American murderer and suspected serial killer who was convicted in New York State of the murder of her ninth child, 4-month-old daughter Tami Lynne, on December 20, 1985. She is suspected to be similarly involved in the previous deaths of her eight children, all of which took place within the span of fourteen years. > The causes of death for Tinning's first eight children was initially thought to be genetic. Even when their sixth child, Michae... ---
**Author:** ![nearwildheaven](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/90db22/32.png) [@nearwildheaven](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/nearwildheaven)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2014, 2:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/move-over-jeffrey-dahmer/686049/18 "2014-04-14T02:55:07Z")
> [@nevadaexile](#): > > With two known exceptions, Jeffrey Dahmer killed adult men. He isn’t even the worst male-on-male serial killer out there as either **John Wayne Gacy** or **Patrick Kearney** who killed at least 33 and 43 people, respectively. Or even **William Bonin** who killed at least 34 and some of whose murders were at first attributed to Kearney. > > This woman is far worse than the woman detailed in the news story,OP: > [Marybeth Tinning - Wikipedia](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marybeth_Tinning) The first of Marybeth Tinning’s children to die did so from natural causes, and one of the kids was adopted. :eek: There was another “SIDS serial killer” who later adopted a child, but for some reason, she spared that one. Can’t remember her name right now. Marie Noe also killed 8 of her kids. > **[Marie Noe](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marie_Noe)** > > Marie Noe (August 23, 1928 – May 5, 2016) was an American woman who was convicted in June 1999 of murdering eight of her children. Between 1949 and 1968, eight of the ten Noe children died of mysterious causes which were then attributed to sudden infant death syndrome. All eight children were healthy at birth and were developing normally. Two other children died of natural causes. Noe pleaded guilty in June 1999 to eight counts of second-degree murder, and was sentenced to 20 years' probati Noe w... I just don’t see how women can go to all the trouble of having their babies, and then do that. If she didn’t want that baby, she should place it for adoption. ---
**Author:** ![nearwildheaven](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/90db22/32.png) [@nearwildheaven](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/nearwildheaven)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2014, 2:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/move-over-jeffrey-dahmer/686049/19 "2014-04-14T02:56:09Z")
> [@Hampshire](#): > > Did she give birth at hospitals? I wonder how often a pregnant woman shows up with no one in tow to a hospital, gives birth, has no visitors, and leaves with the child on her own? > Has anyone who’s ever worked a maternity ward seen this? I sometimes go to a meetup that’s often attended by a woman who works in postpartum OB. I should ask her. I would imagine it’s not uncommon at all. ☹ ---
**Author:** ![Inna\_Minnit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/5f8ce5/32.png) [@Inna\_Minnit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Inna_Minnit)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2014, 5:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/move-over-jeffrey-dahmer/686049/20 "2014-04-14T05:20:07Z")
> [@chiroptera](#): > > Yes, but…newborn babies. How can someone be pregnant and give birth to six (or seven) full-term infants without anyone in her life wondering what happened to them? If she had aborted them, she’d be a hero. [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/move-over-jeffrey-dahmer/686049.md?page=2)