# Movie plotholes only losers would pick out **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [July 16, 2005, 2:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/movie-plotholes-only-losers-would-pick-out/312747 "2005-07-16T02:04:07Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Tuckerfan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/eada6e/32.png) [@Tuckerfan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tuckerfan)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2005, 8:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/movie-plotholes-only-losers-would-pick-out/312747/41 "2005-07-16T20:43:56Z")
> [@Guinastasia](#): > > In _Titanic_, Brock Lovett comments that if the diamond worn by Louis XIV were still around, “it would be worth more than the Hope Diamond.” Most experts believe that the Hope Diamond and Louis XIV’s blue diamond are one and the same. Well, yeah, but Louis XIV’s blue diamond was larger, so it’s obvious that they hacked off hunks of it to make the Hope. ---
**Author:** ![Biffy\_the\_Elephant\_Shrew](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/e47c2d/32.png) [@Biffy\_the\_Elephant\_Shrew](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biffy_the_Elephant_Shrew)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2005, 8:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/movie-plotholes-only-losers-would-pick-out/312747/42 "2005-07-16T20:49:19Z")
> [@Guinastasia](#): > > The fourth funnel was a dummy, but you can still see smoke. (It was used as a vent for the kitchen stoves). Maybe they burned the pot roast. ---
**Author:** ![Sampiro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/2acd7d/32.png) [@Sampiro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sampiro)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2005, 8:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/movie-plotholes-only-losers-would-pick-out/312747/43 "2005-07-16T20:52:15Z")
The movie [Gods & Generals](http://imdb.com/title/tt0279111/) begins with Robert E. Lee (Robert Duvall) riding in a carriage to D.C. where he’ll be offered command of the Army of the Potomac in the coming war. He looks like your… uh… general Lee [pictures](http://www.historyplace.com/civilwar/cwar-pix/lee-1.jpg)- dignified, gray/white beard, etc., except he’s in a blue uniform (perhaps they were going for the contrast). Any Civil War buff can tell you, though, that Lee didn’t look like that in early 1861. He’d have looked more [like this](http://www.texasbeyondhistory.net/forts/griffin/images/lee-sm.jpg)- he didn’t have a beard until the winter of 1861, and his hair went gray during the war. ---
**Author:** ![Typically\_Sunday](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/7ba0ec/32.png) [@Typically\_Sunday](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Typically_Sunday)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2005, 8:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/movie-plotholes-only-losers-would-pick-out/312747/44 "2005-07-16T20:57:01Z")
I’m always bothered when people cheat on their significant others while they’re close by. For instance, in **Wilde** , Oscar Wilde starts making out with and stipping another man while his wife is upstairs putting their kids to bed. I spent the entire scene cringing and expecting his wife to discover them since they didn’t even bother to find somewhere remotely private and they’re _right at the bottom of the stairs._ I seriously doubt that cheating spouses can get away with things like that in real life. ---
**Author:** ![MadderMitch](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/8e7dd6/32.png) [@MadderMitch](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MadderMitch)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2005, 9:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/movie-plotholes-only-losers-would-pick-out/312747/45 "2005-07-16T21:15:11Z")
**Turing Complete** , I know this probably is an obvious one but: Are you a mathematician by any chance? [just asking out of interest, no quibble with your analyses] ---
**Author:** ![Tuckerfan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/eada6e/32.png) [@Tuckerfan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tuckerfan)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2005, 9:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/movie-plotholes-only-losers-would-pick-out/312747/46 "2005-07-16T21:18:01Z")
> [@Typically Sunday](#): > > I’m always bothered when people cheat on their significant others while they’re close by. For instance, in **Wilde** , Oscar Wilde starts making out with and stipping another man while his wife is upstairs putting their kids to bed. I spent the entire scene cringing and expecting his wife to discover them since they didn’t even bother to find somewhere remotely private and they’re _right at the bottom of the stairs._ I seriously doubt that cheating spouses can get away with things like that in real life. It adds to the thrill, knowing that you might get caught. ---
**Author:** ![Sampiro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/2acd7d/32.png) [@Sampiro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sampiro)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2005, 9:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/movie-plotholes-only-losers-would-pick-out/312747/47 "2005-07-16T21:23:46Z")
> [@Typically Sunday](#): > > I’m always bothered when people cheat on their significant others while they’re close by. For instance, in **Wilde** , Oscar Wilde starts making out with and stipping another man while his wife is upstairs putting their kids to bed. I spent the entire scene cringing and expecting his wife to discover them since they didn’t even bother to find somewhere remotely private and they’re _right at the bottom of the stairs._ I seriously doubt that cheating spouses can get away with things like that in real life. Wilde’s wife was a Victorian lady. Maybe they were like those Indians who couldn’t see Columbus’s ships- when she saw two guys having sex she had no point of reference so she just saw the ferns and overstuffed sofas. 😉 In **Finding Neverland** there is a scene when a lamp in Kate Winslet’s home (ca. 1904) is obviously on a dimmer (the brightness comes and goes) that simulates Tinkerbell’s life-force while he’s telling her the story of Peter Pan. These didn’t exist in Edwardian homes (I don’t believe- if they did I’m sure somebody will correct me.) ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2005, 9:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/movie-plotholes-only-losers-would-pick-out/312747/48 "2005-07-16T21:31:43Z")
> [@HPL](#): > > -Why doesn’t the Death Star just blow up the Planet Yavin isn’t of waiting for a clear shot at the moon? Since it’s a gas giant, perhaps they were worried it would take out the Death Star with it, if it would take out the moon as well. > [@](#): > > -In the prequels, why can nobody ever sense that the force is strong with palapatine? > > - Because the Dark Side is clouding over, and probably because he has some way to mask his presence. ---
**Author:** ![Tuckerfan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/eada6e/32.png) [@Tuckerfan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tuckerfan)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2005, 9:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/movie-plotholes-only-losers-would-pick-out/312747/49 "2005-07-16T21:46:51Z")
> [@Guinastasia](#): > > Because the Dark Side is clouding over, and probably because he has some way to mask his presence. You mean like Axe body spray? ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2005, 10:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/movie-plotholes-only-losers-would-pick-out/312747/50 "2005-07-16T22:13:32Z")
> [@Sampiro](#): > > In **Finding Neverland** there is a scene when a lamp in Kate Winslet’s home (ca. 1904) is obviously on a dimmer (the brightness comes and goes) that simulates Tinkerbell’s life-force while he’s telling her the story of Peter Pan. These didn’t exist in Edwardian homes (I don’t believe- if they did I’m sure somebody will correct me.) I haven’t seen the movie, but assuming this was an electric lamp (and not a gas lamp, which could certainly be dimmed by adjusting the gas flow), a proto-dimmer switch made from a rheostat is certainly possible, since the carbon rheostat had been invented some decades earlier, in 1872 by Edison. The first recognizable dimmer switch was invented in 1892 by the altogether fascinating [Granville T. Woods](http://www.princeton.edu/~mcbrown/display/woods.html), for theatres. It’s not likely that a residential model was available in 1904, but remotely possible. ---
**Author:** ![NDP](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ndp/32/55_2.png) [@NDP](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NDP)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2005, 10:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/movie-plotholes-only-losers-would-pick-out/312747/51 "2005-07-16T22:47:15Z")
> [@Originally Posted by HelloKitty](#): > > A nitpick in a nitpicking threat: Ashley Judd was in Double Jeopardy, not Angelina Jolie. > [@Superdude](#): > > Oh, who cares? They’re interchangable. And talentless. A nitpick of a nitpick of a nitpick in a nitpicking thread: Ashley Judd and Angelina Jolie are not interchangable (at least, not physically). Ashley is a bit shorter and has smaller breasts while Angelina has bigger lips and a lot more tattoos. (Yes, I know I care about this way more than I should.) > [@Bryan Ekers](#): > > Alternately, during Patrick Stewart’s guest appearance on Saturday Night Live, they ran a sketch representing a Star Trek/Love Boat crossover. Bernie Kopell appeared as the ship’s doctor, complaining to the Geordi/Isaac bartender that the night before he’d had a date with a Cardassian, only to discover that the date was (gasp!) male. > Trouble is, in every appearance of a Cardassian character on the various Trek shows, there was never even the slightest effort made to blur the gender lines. Actors played male Cardassians; actresses played female Cardassians. If we’re going to get anal about SNL sketches, there was this one show Alec Baldwin hosted that featured a “Family Feud” parody with Alec, the other Baldwin brothers, and the author _James Baldwin_ (played by Tim Meadows) on one side. At no point during the sketch was it ever mentioned that James Baldwin had been dead for several years. When I saw it, I wondered how the SNL writers could have been so ignorant not to be aware of this fact but I then realized the sketch was so lame that I really shouldn’t let myself get so upset about it. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2005, 11:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/movie-plotholes-only-losers-would-pick-out/312747/52 "2005-07-16T23:06:58Z")
> [@NDP](#): > > If we’re going to get anal about SNL sketches, there was this one show Alec Baldwin hosted that featured a “Family Feud” parody with Alec, the other Baldwin brothers, and the author _James Baldwin_ (played by Tim Meadows) on one side. You didn’t notice Kim Basinger in there? What are you, gay? Just kidding. ---
**Author:** ![NDP](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ndp/32/55_2.png) [@NDP](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NDP)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2005, 11:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/movie-plotholes-only-losers-would-pick-out/312747/53 "2005-07-16T23:36:58Z")
> [@Bryan Ekers](#): > > You didn’t notice Kim Basinger in there? What are you, gay? > > Just kidding. Not that there’s anything wrong with that. I did notice Kim Basinger in the sketch 😉 but I didn’t mention her in my post because the joke involved the last name “Baldwin” and the fact the only thing James Baldwin had in common with Alec, et al., was his last name (since James was an author rather than an actor, African-American, and–something the SNL writers apparently did not know–dead). ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2005, 12:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/movie-plotholes-only-losers-would-pick-out/312747/54 "2005-07-17T00:21:54Z")
> [@NDP](#): > > since James was an author rather than an actor, African-American, and–something the SNL writers apparently did not know–dead Oh, I dunno. Tim Meadows was dressed in an [old-fashioned suit](http://snltranscripts.jt.org/93/93mfeud.phtml), so I guess they suspected. ---
**Author:** ![Turing\_Complete](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/41988e/32.png) [@Turing\_Complete](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Turing_Complete)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2005, 1:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/movie-plotholes-only-losers-would-pick-out/312747/55 "2005-07-17T13:01:21Z")
> [@MadderMitch](#): > > **Turing Complete** , I know this probably is an obvious one but: > > Are you a mathematician by any chance? > [just asking out of interest, no quibble with your analyses] I’m actually a high-school dropout. No really, I am. ---
**Author:** ![tristessa\_home](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/dbc845/32.png) [@tristessa\_home](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tristessa_home)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2005, 2:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/movie-plotholes-only-losers-would-pick-out/312747/56 "2005-07-17T14:07:04Z")
> [@Superdude](#): > > If we’re discussing wardrobe malfunctions, let’s think about Glenn Close in _Jagged Edge_. Her wardrobe changes several times during her opening statement. > > However, when discussing Angelina Jolie films, let’s not forget _Double Jeopardy_, where she’s convicted of killing her husband, only to find out that he faked his death. When she finds out, she ends up killing him, citing the “double jeopardy” clause to explain that she can’t be tried for the crime again. Let me let IMDB explain it: > > In other words, Jolie’d be right back in jail for the crime. > > I think you’re thinking of _Sum of All Fears_ where a nuclear warhead is detonated in Baltimore during the Super Bowl. The movie comes BEFORE _Patriot Games_ and _Clear and Present Danger_. Where several scenes take place in DC, yet no mention of an American city having a nuke detonated in it. In fact, trailers for _Patriot Games_ (I think it’s that one) say that there’s never been a terrorist attack on US soil. Yes, thanks- it was 'sum of all fears" I didn’t like it that much… Like Ben, but he ain’t no Harrison Ford… no. nitpicking---- Angelina Jolie (ah, the joys of following her shenanigans are countless, thanks for all the fun moments AJ!!) wasn’t in double jeopardy, it was Ashley Judd, as was correctly pointed out. I’d be remiss if I didn’t add to that----- in the scene where Ashley Judd and Roma Maffia (her real name-great actress, too.) they were folding laundry- in the prison, and another time washing it…the clothes change colors as they are talking… that’s a goodie! (since when can you wear anything you want in prison?) Also there were some other small details I forget at the moment. Kudos to Bruce Greewood for going through the entire movie with a straight face! One up for JFK— he played him in "13 Days… oh, this is good- it relates: Don’t you hate when they put taglines like this in the trailers, or reviews of movies?!: Plot Outline: The film is set during the two-week Cuban missile crisis in October of 1962, and it centers on how President John F. Kennedy, Attorney General Robert Kennedy, and others handled the explosive situation. I really do… 😃 ---
**Author:** ![tristessa\_home](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/dbc845/32.png) [@tristessa\_home](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tristessa_home)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2005, 2:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/movie-plotholes-only-losers-would-pick-out/312747/57 "2005-07-17T14:09:22Z")
> [@Superdude](#): > > If we’re discussing wardrobe malfunctions, let’s think about Glenn Close in _Jagged Edge_. Her wardrobe changes several times during her opening statement. > > However, when discussing Angelina Jolie films, let’s not forget _Double Jeopardy_, where she’s convicted of killing her husband, only to find out that he faked his death. When she finds out, she ends up killing him, citing the “double jeopardy” clause to explain that she can’t be tried for the crime again. Let me let IMDB explain it: > > In other words, Jolie’d be right back in jail for the crime. > > I think you’re thinking of _Sum of All Fears_ where a nuclear warhead is detonated in Baltimore during the Super Bowl. The movie comes BEFORE _Patriot Games_ and _Clear and Present Danger_. Where several scenes take place in DC, yet no mention of an American city having a nuke detonated in it. In fact, trailers for _Patriot Games_ (I think it’s that one) say that there’s never been a terrorist attack on US soil. Yes, thanks- it was 'sum of all fears" I didn’t like it that much… Like Ben, but he ain’t no Harrison Ford… no. nitpicking---- Angelina Jolie (ah, the joys of following her shenanigans are countless, thanks for all the fun moments AJ!!) wasn’t in double jeopardy, it was Ashley Judd, as was correctly pointed out. I’d be remiss if I didn’t add to that----- in the scene where Ashley Judd and Roma Maffia (her real name-great actress, too.) they were folding laundry- in the prison, and another time washing it…the clothes change colors as they are talking… that’s a goodie! (since when can you wear anything you want in prison?) Also there were some other small details I forget at the moment. Kudos to Bruce Greewood for going through the entire movie with a straight face! One up for JFK— he played him in "13 Days… oh, this is good- it relates: Don’t you hate when they put taglines like this in the trailers, or reviews of movies?!: Plot Outline: The film is set during the two-week Cuban missile crisis in October of 1962, and it centers on how President John F. Kennedy, Attorney General Robert Kennedy, and others handled the explosive situation. I really do… 😃 ---
**Author:** ![tristessa\_home](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/dbc845/32.png) [@tristessa\_home](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tristessa_home)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2005, 2:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/movie-plotholes-only-losers-would-pick-out/312747/58 "2005-07-17T14:15:37Z")
Sorry, didn’t mean to post that 2x… Quote: Originally Posted by Superdude Oh, who cares? They’re interchangable. And talentless. ack!!! Not true. Though I do prefer Angelina, Ashley’s pretty good at times. (there’s another new thread…lol.) 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![interface2x](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/c0e974/32.png) [@interface2x](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/interface2x)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2005, 6:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/movie-plotholes-only-losers-would-pick-out/312747/59 "2005-07-17T18:10:41Z")
> [@Superdude](#): > > In the original _Wayne’s World_, when Wayne and Garth are standing outside of the Alice Cooper concert, the security guard (Chris Farley) says that Frankie Sharp, the record producer, is looking for talent, and that he’s going back through Chicago on his way to Detroit. > > Later, when they come up with the idea of beaming Cassandra’s show into his limo, Garth says, “Remember what the security guard told us outside the Alice Cooper concert? He said that Mister Big [Sharpe] was coming back through Chicago _on Friday_…” > > But the guard NEVER said that. He _did_ say that Sharpe was coming back through Chicago, but NEVER said when. Not to mention the fact that, in part two, they have a concert out in the desert. In Illinois. ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2005, 6:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/movie-plotholes-only-losers-would-pick-out/312747/60 "2005-07-17T18:11:39Z")
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