# Movie sequels so bad they make you enjoy the first movie less **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [April 30, 2006, 6:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/movie-sequels-so-bad-they-make-you-enjoy-the-first-movie-less/354819 "2006-04-30T06:46:16Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2006, 6:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/movie-sequels-so-bad-they-make-you-enjoy-the-first-movie-less/354819/41 "2006-05-01T06:10:48Z")
> [@commasense](#): > > I thought that _Apollo 13_ completely screwed up _Apollos 1-12._ They tried to revive the franchise, but by the time of _Apollo 17_, the box office receipts had fallen beyond recovery. ---
**Author:** ![blinkingblinking](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/ea5d25/32.png) [@blinkingblinking](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/blinkingblinking)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2006, 7:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/movie-sequels-so-bad-they-make-you-enjoy-the-first-movie-less/354819/42 "2006-05-01T07:17:40Z")
> [@Sam Lowry](#): > > So how does [Ocean’s 13](http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0496806/) affect your opinion of Ocean’s 11? No no no no no. I hope the cord is pulled before filming. Terminator 3- I thought was not too bad a movie. But I agree with others that they changed the whole feel of the storyline. Now it is just fate?! We cannot do anthing?! My OP was really if you were given a box set of a movie and its sequel(s) would you actually deliberatly throw out the sequel because it detracted from the original or just keep it but never watch the sequel(s). My answer to that question would be Ocean’s 12, Shrek 2 (I know no-one agrees with me on this),Jaws 3 and Jaws4 (Jaws 2 is not bad), The Santa Clause 2, Speed 2,Star Trek 5,and maybe Indiana Jones and Temple of Doom. ---
**Author:** ![cactus\_waltz](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/74df32/32.png) [@cactus\_waltz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cactus_waltz)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2006, 11:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/movie-sequels-so-bad-they-make-you-enjoy-the-first-movie-less/354819/43 "2006-05-01T11:15:58Z")
> [@blinkingblinking](#): > > My OP was really if you were given a box set of a movie and its sequel(s) would you actually deliberatly throw out the sequel because it detracted from the original or just keep it but never watch the sequel(s). I don’t “throw” away movies, but I’d go out of my way to only get the pieces I want. If I would show my children Star Wars, I would pretend that there was no such thing as Episode I-III. “Anakin Skywalker? Urban legend, son.” ---
**Author:** ![RickJay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/bb73d2/32.png) [@RickJay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RickJay)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2006, 11:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/movie-sequels-so-bad-they-make-you-enjoy-the-first-movie-less/354819/44 "2006-05-01T11:35:17Z")
> [@Peter Morris](#): > > Don’t talk to me about Highlander 2. Oh, I’ll talk to you about it. The worst movie ever made by professionals (e.g. not counting amateur junk like “Manos, The Hands of Fate.”) It not only made me enjoy the first one less, it made me enjoy LIVING less. I saw priests walking out of that movie saying “There is no God.” ---
**Author:** ![Skald\_the\_Rhymer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecccb3/32.png) [@Skald\_the\_Rhymer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skald_the_Rhymer)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2006, 4:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/movie-sequels-so-bad-they-make-you-enjoy-the-first-movie-less/354819/45 "2006-05-01T16:39:55Z")
> [@blinkingblinking](#): > > I would nominate Ocean’s 12. > The cool thing about Ocean’s 11 (Brad Pitt , George Clooney et al) was they got the better of the ‘bastard’-Terry Benedict. > > Then in 12 , Terry Benedict tracks them down. I do not want to hear that. It ruins the first movie. They got away! Even I’m tired of hearing myself mention this one–but it’s definitely THE RETURN OF THE KING. Oh, and both Matrix sequels. They’re each much worse that ROTK, but I had less invested in the Matrix so I didn’t care. ---
**Author:** ![Skald\_the\_Rhymer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecccb3/32.png) [@Skald\_the\_Rhymer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skald_the_Rhymer)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2006, 4:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/movie-sequels-so-bad-they-make-you-enjoy-the-first-movie-less/354819/46 "2006-05-01T16:47:02Z")
> [@Cervaise](#): > > The crappiness of _Men in Black 2_ has the effect of revealing how the first one isn’t really all that good either. When you see how the sequel is coasting on little more than visual effects and snarky attitude, the first one suddenly starts to feel nearly as thin and pointless. Except the first one was funny–and it had Linda Fiorentino, who is so sexy that no drabness can conceal it. The second had the frighteningly-thin lass from the Practice. ---
**Author:** ![Lemur866](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lemur866/32/434_2.png) [@Lemur866](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lemur866)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2006, 4:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/movie-sequels-so-bad-they-make-you-enjoy-the-first-movie-less/354819/47 "2006-05-01T16:54:57Z")
> [@Apos](#): > > Disney’s direct to video sequels for their great animated musicals kind of sucked all the intimacy and allure out of those films: made them seem less like great works and more like the start of the latest franchise of ad naseum repeats. “Toy Story 2” was origninally supposed to be a direct-to-video sequel in this model. Except that as they were cranking it out, the guys at Pixar had an epiphany. We’re only going to make good movies. Not some good movies and some crap. Everything we put out should be good. Maybe we’ll end up making a crap movie, but we shouldn’t start out with the GOAL of making crap! So they threw out all the work that had been done on the crap version of Toy Story 2, and started again, this time with the goal of making a good movie. ---
**Author:** ![LonesomePolecat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/a88e57/32.png) [@LonesomePolecat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LonesomePolecat)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2006, 5:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/movie-sequels-so-bad-they-make-you-enjoy-the-first-movie-less/354819/48 "2006-05-01T17:05:55Z")
> [@zamboniracer](#): > > I nominate the original _Planet of the Apes_, which was a brilliant movie, but the following numerous sequels went downhill very very steeply. The subway mutant A-Bomb worshippers really took the cake. Now I try to pretend that the sequels weren’t made. The sequels didn’t go downhill. They dropped off the edge of a cliff. ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2006, 5:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/movie-sequels-so-bad-they-make-you-enjoy-the-first-movie-less/354819/49 "2006-05-01T17:06:33Z")
> [@blinkingblinking](#): > > Shrek 2 (I know no-one agrees with me on this) I’d like to hear your thoughts on this one. **Cervaise** ’s post about _Men in Black 2_ comes very close to my feelings about the original _Shrek_ - it’s a movie that coasts by mostly on snark and sarcasm [and in the case of _Shrek_, a blunt message] and doesn’t really have much else happening. What did the second one lack that the first one had? ---
**Author:** ![RikWriter](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/49beb7/32.png) [@RikWriter](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RikWriter)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2006, 5:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/movie-sequels-so-bad-they-make-you-enjoy-the-first-movie-less/354819/50 "2006-05-01T17:21:23Z")
Goddamn, I can’t find a SINGLE movie listed in this thread that I disagree with. The Star Wars prequels, the Matrix sequels, the unmentionable Highlander 2 and Aliens 3, Austin Powers 2…all just completely horrible shit that ruined the previous films to some extent. ---
**Author:** ![CalMeacham](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/calmeacham/32/35_2.png) [@CalMeacham](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CalMeacham)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2006, 5:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/movie-sequels-so-bad-they-make-you-enjoy-the-first-movie-less/354819/51 "2006-05-01T17:31:58Z")
I pretty much agree with everyting here, too. But especially **Alien 3** and **Terminator 3**. They absolutely ruined the preceding films to the point that I refuse to even consider them. In the case of T3 it’s not just the philosophical implications, but the cruddy execution and the entire way they handled the John Connor character – no way did Edward Furlong grow up to become _that_ loser. the moral, I guess, is to not do sequels to James Cameron films. Unless you’re Cameron. I’d like to add the two sequels to the two versions of **The Fly**. Both were pretty good films, transcending the source story and bweing pretty decent. But **The Son of the Fly** , the sequel to the 1957 original, cheaped out by being black and white, with crappy special effects and even crapier script. And **the Fly II** was pretty awful and nonsensical, suggesting that effects men ought not to direct unless they’re Stan Winston. ---
**Author:** ![CalMeacham](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/calmeacham/32/35_2.png) [@CalMeacham](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CalMeacham)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2006, 5:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/movie-sequels-so-bad-they-make-you-enjoy-the-first-movie-less/354819/52 "2006-05-01T17:36:34Z")
Oh, yeah, a few other hatred-inducing sequels: **The Hidden II** and its sequel, both of which trash the memory of the often overlooked original **The Hidden** **Robocop II Robocop III** and the **Robocop** TV series. The original film was an unexpected gem. It looked awful and easily could have been, but it was literate and amazingly perceptive and deliberately over-the-top. The sequels didn’t understand this and were ham-handed. Even trying to get Frank Miller to write the sequel didn’t help, especially when they ditched a lot of his input. ---
**Author:** ![jali](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ecae2f/32.png) [@jali](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jali)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2006, 5:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/movie-sequels-so-bad-they-make-you-enjoy-the-first-movie-less/354819/53 "2006-05-01T17:44:48Z")
**Babe** was a charming movie. \*\* Babe II\*\* hurt to watch. ---
**Author:** ![medstar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f07891/32.png) [@medstar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/medstar)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2006, 12:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/movie-sequels-so-bad-they-make-you-enjoy-the-first-movie-less/354819/54 "2006-05-02T00:35:11Z")
My contribution to this thread is **Shanghai Knights**. I loved **Shanghai Noon** , which had a great plot and lots of hilarious elements and send ups. **Shanghai Knights** didn’t have much of a plot, merely a string of expensive stunts separated by stupid dialogue. I just hope that **Pirates of the Caribbean 2** , is made with as much care as the first–not just quickly thrown together and used to make as much money as possible. ---
**Author:** ![MaxTheVool](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/9fc29f/32.png) [@MaxTheVool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MaxTheVool)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2006, 9:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/movie-sequels-so-bad-they-make-you-enjoy-the-first-movie-less/354819/55 "2006-05-02T09:27:49Z")
My feelings about **Terminator 3** are a bit more complex than seems to be the consensus. I agree that it was totally untrue to the spirit of **T2** , which I think is a masterpiece of sci-fi/action. But, I also think that **T3** is a far-better-than-average film in its own right. Its stunts and action setpieces are among the best I’ve seen recently, and Claire Danes does an exceptional job as a fairly believable person being caught up in totally unbelievable events. ---
**Author:** ![don\_t\_ask](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e68b1a/32.png) [@don\_t\_ask](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/don_t_ask)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2006, 10:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/movie-sequels-so-bad-they-make-you-enjoy-the-first-movie-less/354819/56 "2006-05-02T10:25:23Z")
Not really a sequel but this was my exact sentiment after seeing _Kill Bill II_. I thought that the clever up-in-the-air ending of the first movie became nothing but a cynical marketing trick because the amount of _KBII_ that consisted of retelling story points I already knew, made it obvious that this was one movie turned into two. ---
**Author:** ![singular1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ba9def/32.png) [@singular1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/singular1)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2006, 11:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/movie-sequels-so-bad-they-make-you-enjoy-the-first-movie-less/354819/57 "2006-05-02T11:53:41Z")
Oh Og, you just sent chills down my spine! Please don’t let PotC suck-it has Bill Nighy as Davy Jones, it _can’t_ suck, right? Please? Somebody? ---
**Author:** ![sleeepy2](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e9a140/32.png) [@sleeepy2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sleeepy2)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2006, 2:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/movie-sequels-so-bad-they-make-you-enjoy-the-first-movie-less/354819/58 "2006-05-06T14:58:41Z")
_Escape From L.A._ kind of ruined the super-badass Snake Plissken for me. ---
**Author:** ![marymargaret](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ba9def/32.png) [@marymargaret](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/marymargaret)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2006, 4:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/movie-sequels-so-bad-they-make-you-enjoy-the-first-movie-less/354819/59 "2006-05-06T16:18:28Z")
Term’s of Endearments’ sequel [EMAIL=http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0116240/]The Evening Star was beyond horrible. ---
**Author:** ![mike1dog](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ba9def/32.png) [@mike1dog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mike1dog)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2006, 5:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/movie-sequels-so-bad-they-make-you-enjoy-the-first-movie-less/354819/60 "2006-05-06T17:40:01Z")
I just wanted to say that saying that _Santa Clause 2_ ruined _Santa Clause_ is like saying World War II ruined the joyful experience that was World War I for you. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/movie-sequels-so-bad-they-make-you-enjoy-the-first-movie-less/354819.md?page=2)