When Peter gets his first kill, Aslan tells him that he must wipe the blood from his sword which seems to be a metaphor for clearing any guilt from his mind about taking a life. That is a pretty dark concept especially when you consider C. S. Lewis had a Christian agenda.
I guess my round-about point is that we are showing children killing other people while the consequences or even the bare fact that they did kill is never mentioned or dealt with. I then wonder about the consequences or unconscious lessons learned by children (and even adults) of seeing their heroes casually kill with no repercussions.
But Dash is a terrible example then, he didn’t try to kill, he pretty much just evaded. The goons in every case I can recall killed/injured themselves trying to kill him. He did not casually kill once in the movie no matter once.
I’d say Dash’s killings are acknowledged and dealt with beforehand. His mother warns him and Violet that Syndrome’s minions are not Saturday morning cartoon characters – that they will be willing and perhaps even eager to kill them both, and that the kids must respond in kind. There’s no pretense there.
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You misspelled obvious psycho who had just violently assaulted his mommy and was clearly about to beat her further, if not kill her.
Nothing. And though Dash didn’t kill the guy who was about to shoot Violet, I wouldn’t be surprised if he intended to; I would have.
Actually I think that’s purely practical advice. I can’t see Aslan telling Peter not to feel guilty about killing anyone, even a talking beast. That said, the Pevensies and their comrades don’t get all angsty about killing, but then none of them ever kill outside of war.
I don’t think that Aslan needs to restrict himself to a practical vs. metaphorical spiritual dichotomy. He’s perfectly capable of making it both at once.
Yes, but in speaking to a mortal, it is sometimes meet to speak in a specific mode. Even Athena has to. ![]()
Batman generally has a “no kill” policy, at least in the comics, any deaths would likely be accidents or the villain’s causing his own demise type dealies, not something I think Robin would be considered the cause of. Also, there’s the issue of which Robin, there’ve been at least 4 (not even counting non-canon stuff like Dark Knight Returns).
I’d be more concerned about showing that repercussions for self-defense are more severe than they are for initiating violence.
The second Robin, Jason Todd, is strongly implied to have killed a violent rapist by throwing him off the roof of a building, although Jason insisted that the guy was startled by his sudden appearance and lost his balance.
Apropos of nothing: isn’t illegitimate lovechild redundant? Like female lesbian, or filthy Etruscan?
Dash directly kills at one of the guys by grabbing onto a palm tree at super speed, bending it down, and then letting go. The tree swats the disk out of the air. The others are mostly just outmaneuvered, aside from the one Dash gets into a fistfight with.
I prefer to think of it as emphasis.
No, an illegitimate child is sometimes a lovechild, but not always,.
And a lovechild might not be illegitimate. For example, Brother Cadfael’s son was conceived in love, though not technically in wedlock. And by Welsh custom, he is not a bastard, because his father acknowledges him.
I have given this a lot of deep, unRhymerish thought, and on balance I don’t give a good goddamn how many of Syndrome’s murderous henchmen Dash killed in self-defense, on account of them being murderous and him acting in self-defense.
Murderous henchmen?
The Guild will hear about this!
Well I’m not the OP, but it makes me think maybe you aren’t interested in this thread. I don’t think there is anything wrong with Dash killing the henchmen, but I do think it’s interesting that a child is shown killing people in a Disney movie. I also think it is interesting to speculate on how such killing would affect a real child in Dash’s situation. I’d be interested in coming up with a list of other child-heroes who have killed. Since they are child-heroes I expect most of them to be justified even necessary killings.
That’s where I’m going with this. I could see someone like Dash being really inured to killing by the time he’s in his 20’s and perhaps even being a bit too casual and borderline evil about it.
And on the other side, it is interesting to consider that we show such things in movies and just gloss over the fact that a child is killing people and never address it. What is the unconscious message that we are sending? But then of course, we are a very violent society and adult heros kill with impunity and are celebrated for it, but god forbid we should show a pair of tits or (gasp!) a penis!
Honestly? I think the message being sent is “Karmically, self-defense is cool”.
-Joe
I’ve never seen the movie, but from what I’ve heard about it then one of the three deaths was an accident, and another was arguably not the girl’s fault. The third case was clearly intentional on her part, although the guy needed killin’.
This is actually toned down from the book, which I have read. In the book the girl knows what she is doing and deliberately kills all three people.