Uh, no, it’s not debatable. The director of the friggin’ movie has explicitly said that they are NOT aliens.
That was The Fugitive. 
Kinsey,
Tommy Lee Jones played a U.S. Marshall in The Fugitive and, you guessed it, U.S. Marshalls. And here he is again, one step behind someone on the lam. Thus, my subtle dig, “I must have had it in my head that he was a U.S. Marshall.”
In addition to which, his game counselor (James Rebhorn) says something to the effect that it was a good thing he chose to jump, because if not if would have been necessary to throw him off. He was there to make sure that Douglas went off the correct side of the building, one way or the other.
Care to elaborate? I’ve seen the Dutch version several times, and can recall no plot holes whatsoever.
He was in love with her.
What can I say…whoosh
[sup]sorry, I’m not usually that spacey, no lunch today, my blood sugar has bottomed out…off to get some dinner![/sup]
Titanic was pretty stupid. (SPOILERS AHEAD)
When the ship goes down, they’re running around on the deck like it’s a glamorous tropic. We can’t see their breath, their flesh isn’t pained by touching metal, their bodies aren’t suffering ill effects from running around in sub-zero temperatures, etc. I think the entire scene would’ve had a greater impact if the situation looked much more bleak and destructive. It greatly lessened the intended dread, never quite drawing people past the seats in a theatre. All my favourite moments of anxious cinema are successful because the little details make it convincing.
Yeah, adrenaline will do that to people. And it’s not like they were up in the Arctic Circle, either. What’d you want, penguins?
I’m an idiot! It took me two minutes to figure out what movie you were talking about!
I hate acronyms!
number six,
there is another thread discussing “the vanishing”. but in summary I think it is beyond imagination to believe that a guy tracked down the killer of his wife and then asked himself to be treated to the same fate. I have seen a lot of family of murder victums on TV and I have never seen one ask for mercy for the convicted killer so he could do the same thing to them. probably that damn liberal press hiding it from us!
No it won’t. Lemme see something…
You live in California! :rolleyes:
lol although I do like that joke
What?! That bothered you? What about the cenes where Frau Blucher guides everyone up the stairs (“Please be carefulll. The stairway can… be treacherous!”)with a candelabra in which none of the candles are lit? That’s always bothered me, although it’s clearly intended to be some kind of joke.
The hermit has his candles lit because otherwise they’d be shooting the movie in the dark. There’s no other reason for it. Since this scene is virtually lifted from James Whale’s 1933 film The Bride of Frankenstein, the candles might be lit because they were in the original movie. I don’t recall, though – it’s been oo long since I saw it.
While I agree that “The Last Dinosaur” is among the lamest dinosaur films ever perpetrated, I have to point out that the drill device wasn’t a time machine. The idea was that there was a prehistoric land hidden beneath the Earth’s surface, as in “Journey To The Center of the Earth”.
Waitaminute, I’m not done discussing “The Blair Witch Project”. Everyone complained that they should just follow the stream and they would eventually end up somewhere. But didn’t you see the movie? They eventually DID decide to follow the stream. They went over a bridge/log and kept going downsteam. But then after walking for several hours [cue erie music] they come ACROSS THE SAME BRIDGE!!! Dude, no way!
How could they get lost in that little patch of woods, even though they were following the steam? See, there must have been, like, some weird shit going on. Like, oh, I don’t know…THE BLAIR WITCH???
Spoilers for The Vanishing
I’m aware of the other thread, and have contributed to it. Since you chose to post here, I responded to you here.
Have you actually seen the movie, or just had it described to you? I ask because everything you describe seems to come from a fundamental misunderstanding or outright distortion of what actually happens in the film.
First, he doesn’t track down his wife’s abductor. The abductor finds him. It’s actually a pretty big part of his obsession that he, despite his years of work and all his efforts, isn’t able to find the abductor.
Second, though he suspects, he doesn’t even know that she’s been dead until the final scene. Even at this point, there is some small, desperate hope that she’s still alive. The abductor tells him that he did the worst thing he could think of to her, and that death isn’t the worst thing he can imagine, i.e., that he didn’t kill her. Given what we find out later, it makes sense that the abductor would think this way.
Second, he doesn’t ask to be treated to the same fate, he actually protests quite strenuously and nearly turns the man in to the authorities and/or kills him. But doing either of these things would deny him the resolution that he seeks.
Third, it is quite well established that his obsession isn’t with finding out who abducted her, but with finding out what happened to her, a subtle but important distinction. He tells his girlfriend that he would be relieved to know that she’s dead, because that would at least give him some closure.
Fourth, he doesn’t ask for mercy for the abductor, it’s made quite clear that he finds the man disgusting, and would gladly kill the man with his bare hands. The only thing that prevents this is knowing that, if he did so, he would never find out what happened to her. Even then, it’s a near thing.
Finally, he has been engaging in self-destructive behavior in pursuit of his obsession, to the point of willingly discarding a fulfilling relationship with a beautiful woman who obviously loves him very much. The sole purpose of his life for four years has been finding the answer to the mystery of what happened to his wife. Combine this obsession with the self-desctructive behavior and a rather obvious depression, and you have the disasterous choice he makes in a moment when the stress of two terrible choices cause a near-psychotic break.
I doubt it’s the choice I would make, but people do highly irrational things while depressed, obsessed, and under an unbearable amount of stress. I don’t think it’s beyond imagination to beleive that a person in this particular situation (which is much different from the one you describe) is capable of making the choice he makes.
And what you’re objecting to is characterization, not plot.
Y’know, I don’t know if that’s a pathetic attempt at an insult or a pathetic attempt at counter-argument. Either way, it’s pathetic.
Please, O Great Master, educate us on what my location has to do with whether or not adrenaline has effects on a person’s sensation.
Top Gun: I’m not in the military, but I seriously doubt anyone that careless would be allowed to fly a fighter jet for that long no matter how good he was.
The Tom Cruise character was an asshole, no two ways about it. And every criticism leveled at him in the film was correct - he was a danger to everyone he flew with. I find it disturbing that a character like that could be our idea of a hero.
Well I was told that I was incorrect in this matter, but whenever I hear about “The Cell”, the toilet in the flooding room comes to mind. How are we supposed to believe the woman is in danger when she can simply flush the water away to another area?
Right you are. :rolleyes:
From my admittedly few readings of the Titanic sinking, I’ve gleamed two facts. Let me know if either is incorrect.
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The water was freezing.
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They were on water.
Come up here and wander around a bit in the cold. Then find something important to do and hurry around in the cold.
You’re going to keep your arms to yourself, you’re going to try not to touch anything metal, any spare moment means you’re either sticking your hands in your armpits or over your ears, conversation is kept at a minimum because adrenalin doesn’t make one a great orator (ignoring the cold’s obvious effects on your speech making abilities).
And then try this on the open water where you have no protection from wind.
The things I’m describing are simply the body’s instinctive reactions to cold. Adrenalin doesn’t mean you forget to pull away from a hot stove, either. Adrenalin will keep you ignorant of the environment for a handful of minutes. Pretty soon your body’s involuntary reactions will serve to remind you of where you are.
And my original assertion was that the scene would’ve had a far greater impact as a environment of torment if it looked like it took place in frigid, rakish conditions, instead of washing warm-looking actors in blue lights.
Actually, let me search for adrenaline and google. I just thought of an experience that suggests adrenalin might interfere with pain compliance more than I thought.
I’m I’m wrong I’ll apologize. If I’m right I’ll gloat.
(scurries off to Google)
Fifth Element - Spoilers
Wow, I really hated this movie in so many ways. Forgive my memory, I saw it upon release and have tried to block it out of my mind, but the thing I hated the most was:
Bruce Willis has to meet up with the blue Opera Singer chick to get some sacred stones. He shows up, she gets gunned down. He kneels beside her broken body and she reaches through the bullet holes to pull out the stones.
I always wondered, if she hadn’t been so conveniently shot, just how did she intend to hand them over??
And don’t even get me started on the asinine “love will save the day” ending.