To me, literally and figuratively, the Joker exists because Batman exists. He literally exists in a meta-sense, because without super villains, comic superheroes look a little silly. But within the Batman universe, the Joker exists as both a balance to Batman, and as a motivation. If the Joker didn’t arrive in Gotham, Batman would have had to invent him. Without the Joker, Batman’s life would have no meaning.
Perhaps the universe created the Joker, in a manner similar to the creation of Anakin Skywalker.
Adaptation sucked. I “got” it, but it sucked. It was poorly thought out, poorly planned and poorly executed. Everything about it, including the basic premise, sucked.
ETA: I agree completely that Thelma & Louise sucked.
You kind of sneer at people who don’t understand satire, and I’ve got some pretty bad impostor syndrome sometimes, so I actually went and looked up some baseline “satire” definitions:
A movie that uses irony, exaggeration and ridicule to expose the stupidity of contemporary American politics is about as textbook an example of satire as you can come up with. You might not think it works, but saying it’s not satire is objectively wrong.
So I decided to make a movie about fascists who aren’t aware of their fascism. . . . [T]his was about American politics. As a European it seemed to me that certain aspects of US society could become fascistic: the refusal to limit the amount of arms; the number of executions in Texas when George W Bush was governor."
Note he did not say, “I was satirizing American society.” He said “certain aspects of US society could become fascisistic.” Not exactly an original observation, but a legitimate one.
Then he said that the propaganda real was a parody. That’s fine. But the movie is not. Going to the definition:
the use of humor, irony, exaggeration, or ridicule to expose and criticize people’s stupidity or vices, particularly in the context of contemporary politics and other topical issues.
The movie showed no humor whatsoever, no irony, no exaggeration (other than the parody newsreel), and ridiculed nothing, nor did it portray anyone as being stupid (not the characters, anyway. The story was stupid, but just being stupid is not parody).
The highest rated movie on IMDB is “The Shawshank Redemption.” It’s a really good movie, but it’s not one of the five hundred best movies of all time.
Most Overrated By The Academy
“Return of the King” by a mile. Nominated in eleven categories and won them all; may have deserved two or three. Arguably the worst movie to ever win Best Picture.
Most Overrated By Snooty Critics and Film Connoisseurs
Nobody thought much about “The Searchers” when it came out, but a few years later a few French critics decided it was a work of genius and it’s just snowballed since then. It is not a great movie. I was stunned when I got around to watching it.
Most Overrated By Run Of The Mill Critics And Reviewers
Rotten Tomatoes has a lot of movies with perfect scores, but combining score with total reviews, they consider their best rated movie ever to be Black Panther. Black Panther isn’t even the best Marvel movie with a black protagonist. It’s just another Marvel movie and most of them are paint-by-numbers fast food movies.
Overall Winner
The Irishman is not a good movie. It just isn’t. It didn’t quite outrank any of the movies above in terms of being highly rated by that specific category, but it’s near the top in all of them, and is a much worse movie than anything named above.
Blazing Saddles wasn’t funny, just stupid. I walked out of it when it came out. In fact The Producers is the only Mel Brooks movie that’s worth watching.
According to a guy I know the movie Joker isn’t “The” Joker , but the guy who gave “The” Joker the idea for his supervillian persona. Then again, like the other post in this thread says maybe all the origins are lies.
I “enjoyed” the film (never really want to see it again but thinks it’s pretty damned good) but for the love of god, Halle Berry was, indeed, garbo in it.
To this day I don’t really like her style but her acting in that, was, to me, so poor as to be embarassing.
Giving her the award was a PC move (and I’m okay with it if it opened up roles for minorities).
I think a movie has to be well regarded before it can count as overrated. Even the few people I know who liked Sucker Punch call it a guilty pleasure or say “Yeah, it’s fucking terrible but so stylish”
