# Movies where Evil Wins **URL:** \ **Category:** In My Humble Opinion\ **Created:** [October 29, 2000, 5:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/movies-where-evil-wins/38824 "2000-10-29T17:39:11Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2000, 5:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/movies-where-evil-wins/38824/1 "2000-10-29T17:39:11Z")
Let’s list movies where the bad guy, or the evil force anyway wins totally, with almost no compensation to the side of good. Movies like Empire Strikes Back don’t really count, since there is a little victory for the good guys. The only movie that strikes me immediately as being this way is Pet Semetary. Any others? ---
**Author:** ![HalberMensch242](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/ecb155/32.png) [@HalberMensch242](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HalberMensch242)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2000, 5:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/movies-where-evil-wins/38824/2 "2000-10-29T17:45:08Z")
How about Seven… ---
**Author:** ![betenoir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/258eb7/32.png) [@betenoir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/betenoir)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2000, 5:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/movies-where-evil-wins/38824/3 "2000-10-29T17:52:02Z")
Good question. Umm… Chinatown 1984 Seven The Omen Clockwork Orange depending on how you look at it. let me think… ---
**Author:** ![wring](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/838e76/32.png) [@wring](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wring)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2000, 5:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/movies-where-evil-wins/38824/4 "2000-10-29T17:56:11Z")
Taxi Driver, where DeNiro’s character has evil thoughts, intentions and murderous acts, then gets lauded as a hero. ---
**Author:** ![Wendell\_Wagner](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/8491ac/32.png) [@Wendell\_Wagner](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wendell_Wagner)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2000, 5:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/movies-where-evil-wins/38824/5 "2000-10-29T17:57:33Z")
Here’s a thread we did about this a while back: [http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?threadid=19083](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?threadid=19083) Last night at a DopeFest we tried to think of _any_ subject that hasn’t already been done as a thread but couldn’t come up with anything. ---
**Author:** ![yESTERDAY\_mAN](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/a87d85/32.png) [@yESTERDAY\_mAN](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/yESTERDAY_mAN)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2000, 5:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/movies-where-evil-wins/38824/6 "2000-10-29T17:58:53Z")
Fallen. “Remember, I’m telling you about the time I _almost_ died. See ya 'round.” ---
**Author:** ![headshok](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/e56c9b/32.png) [@headshok](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/headshok)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2000, 6:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/movies-where-evil-wins/38824/7 "2000-10-29T18:07:08Z")
The Usual Suspects. “The greatest trick the devil ever pulled was convincing the world he didn’t exist.” ---
**Author:** ![SanibelMan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a88e4f/32.png) [@SanibelMan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SanibelMan)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2000, 6:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/movies-where-evil-wins/38824/8 "2000-10-29T18:29:37Z")
_The Day After._ Nukes automatically win that one. ---
**Author:** ![Enderw24](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/ba9def/32.png) [@Enderw24](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Enderw24)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2000, 6:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/movies-where-evil-wins/38824/9 "2000-10-29T18:42:14Z")
Planet of the Apes Planet of the Apes II Friday the 13th 12 Monkeys Hmmm…the more I think about it, the more I realize that in some movies having the good guys win WAS pure evil. ---
**Author:** ![yojimbo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/yojimbo/32/232_2.png) [@yojimbo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/yojimbo)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2000, 6:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/movies-where-evil-wins/38824/10 "2000-10-29T18:46:53Z")
The Last Seduction The Paralax View Devils Advocate ( it’s at least a draw ) The Godfather One Day in September (documentary) ---
**Author:** ![ThisYearsGirl](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/73ab20/32.png) [@ThisYearsGirl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThisYearsGirl)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2000, 7:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/movies-where-evil-wins/38824/11 "2000-10-29T19:31:51Z")
That movie where Tim Robbins is the terrorist–I can’t think of the title, but I really dig the ending. Something Road? ---
**Author:** ![tshirts](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/839c29/32.png) [@tshirts](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tshirts)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2000, 7:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/movies-where-evil-wins/38824/12 "2000-10-29T19:43:04Z")
**The Usual Suspects** is an excellent choice there. Also **Shallow Grave** the British movie by that name, not the other one. **The Grifters** **The Last Seduction** ---
**Author:** ![tshirts](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/839c29/32.png) [@tshirts](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tshirts)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2000, 7:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/movies-where-evil-wins/38824/13 "2000-10-29T19:44:42Z")
The classic is Altman’s **The Players** about Hollywood, where they get away with murder in Hollywood. ---
**Author:** ![wring](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/838e76/32.png) [@wring](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wring)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2000, 7:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/movies-where-evil-wins/38824/14 "2000-10-29T19:46:10Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by ThisYearsGirl \* > \*\*That movie where Tim Robbins is the terrorist–I can’t think of the title, but I really dig the ending. Something Road? \*\* yep, I agree, \*\* Arlington Road \*\* ---
**Author:** ![AETBOND417](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/47e85d/32.png) [@AETBOND417](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AETBOND417)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2000, 8:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/movies-where-evil-wins/38824/15 "2000-10-29T20:08:02Z")
Curses, Wring and ThisYearsGirl beat me to it. ---
**Author:** ![astorian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ad7895/32.png) [@astorian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/astorian)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2000, 8:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/movies-where-evil-wins/38824/16 "2000-10-29T20:26:11Z")
Well, let’s see… 1. Hannibal Lecter kills two cops and a paramedic and gets clean away in “Silence of the Lambs.” 2. In “Night of the Living Dead,” courage and resourcefulness end up counting for nothing, as the hero survives the night but still gets killed by rednecks. 3. Mel Gibson is utterly evil in “Payback,” but still gets away with his life and all the money (this doesn’t REALLY count, I suppose, in that his enemies are just as evil as he is). 4. In “The Wicker Man,” the good, honorable cop (played by Edward Woodward) ends up burned to death by Christopher Lee’s pagans. 5. In virtually ALL horror movies these days, the bad guy survives at the end, because he’s necessary for a string of profitable sequels. Evil (in the form of Jason Voorhees, Michael Myers or Freddy Krueger) HAS to triumph, or the series comes to an end. 6. In Stanley Kubrick’s “Paths of Glory,” the poor French soldiers are railroaded and executed by the top brass, despite Kirk Douglas’ best efforts. I could name many more, but that’s my contribution. ---
**Author:** ![Freudian\_Slit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/5daacb/32.png) [@Freudian\_Slit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Freudian_Slit)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2000, 8:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/movies-where-evil-wins/38824/17 "2000-10-29T20:35:01Z")
Storm of the Century. Great movie. The Exorcist…depending on how you look at it. (I personally think its one where “good guys” win, but others people think of it as a failure…) All i can think of for now. ---
**Author:** ![OrcaChow](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/e47c2d/32.png) [@OrcaChow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/OrcaChow)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2000, 8:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/movies-where-evil-wins/38824/18 "2000-10-29T20:37:02Z")
**The Other**. An early Seventies movie about a pair of twin boys, one evil, one not. **Doctor Strangelove**. Not only do the nukes win, but the “tunnel gap” worriers will persist even beyond that. The **Alien** series. As sure as studios want money, the baddie monsters will somehow resurrect. **Stone Cold**. The good guys win, but _ **Brian Bosworth** survived this wreck to perhaps appear on camera again someday_. That’s the greatest evil. ---
**Author:** ![HelloKitty](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/ecccb3/32.png) [@HelloKitty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HelloKitty)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2000, 8:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/movies-where-evil-wins/38824/19 "2000-10-29T20:42:16Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by tshirts \* > > **The Grifters** \*\* Good choice…that movie has one of the most shocking endings I have ever seen. It really sneaks up on you. How about \*\* All Quiet on the Western Front \*\*. The last scene is chilling. ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2000, 8:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/movies-where-evil-wins/38824/20 "2000-10-29T20:49:22Z")
In Kubrick’s Paths of Glory, evil doesn’t win. It was supposed to but the studio forced them to tack on the cheap ending where the main general dude is going to get fired. He suceeds in executing those soldiers, but he pays his price too. [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/movies-where-evil-wins/38824.md?page=2)